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If a team can't win their conference championship - should

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Jan 10, 2022, 8:28 AM

they ever be allowed to compete for a National Championship?? Just seems odd to me that a team who can't win their own conference has an opportunity to be crowned a National Champion...

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Jan 10, 2022, 8:31 AM

Conferences have little to do with the National Championship teams. Perhaps they should. It certainly would help the non-power five get recruits.

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Jan 10, 2022, 8:32 AM

Yes unless you're talking about the SEC because they are just so darned good that their third best team might be the best in the entire country somehow.

Sincerely

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In short, yes

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Jan 10, 2022, 8:34 AM

Clearly as shown on the field, that doesn’t matter. Expanded playoff will be great for a number of reasons. 1. Keep more fan bases involved 2. Best recruits won’t feel as much pressure to go to Bama & UGA because they can make the playoffs with other teams. 3. Way more exciting matchups than the NY6 bowls 4. Even with a loss or 2 (depending on how many teams it expands to) teams are still in the hunt 5. Less opt outs for high profile players so better viewing for CFB in general

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Re: In short, yes


Jan 10, 2022, 10:40 AM

That's when you will start seeing opt outs in the playoffs. I haven't seen a viable option for expanded playoffs. Have to shorten season for everyone else for 12 teams, possibly eliminating conf. championships. Best regular season in sports will go away.

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Jan 10, 2022, 8:36 AM

No ..
But that is just me ..
If it was Clemson they would never entertain the thought. Ever!!!
When Clemson had a loss but won the ACC conference championship and I know for a fact that alot of DAWG fan heads were spinning and spitting pea soup over it .. I heard it for weeks!!!

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Jan 10, 2022, 9:19 AM

That was only that double standard card that the SEC fans plays every year!!!

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Jan 10, 2022, 9:30 AM

What about ND last year? Were they in the SEC?

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Jan 10, 2022, 9:29 AM

Lol. Never ever huh?

This is completely false. ND made the playoffs last year as an ACC team that didn’t win their conference, with another ACC team already in the playoffs. There’s only been 3 times when two teams from the same conference have made the playoffs and the ACC teams are one of those instances. Clemson gets more respect than ND because Clemson has proven it on the field over and over.

Believe it or not, Clemson gets major benefit of the doubt nowadays. Are you trying to say that just because a few biased Georgia fans didn’t think Clemson should be in the playoffs, that everyone thought that? What about the playoff committee that put us in every time? Or the tv talking heads that pretty much unanimously had Clemson in the bracket every year?

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Jan 10, 2022, 8:40 AM

What do you think of this:
On the same day as the conference championship games, play 3 more games between the top 6 tanked teams not playing in conference championship games. That makes 8 games/16 teams total. Winners advance to an 8 team playoff. That way conference championship games become win or go home. Adds one more game for the 2 teams in the finals but I don’t see that as an issue.

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I like it, but it makes too much sense to work


Jan 10, 2022, 9:47 AM

What would the "committee" talk about and have weekly TV shows about starting in October? By this plan, they wouldn't really be needed until the conference championship slots had been filled, right?

Or maybe this would be an opportunity, too, to scrap divisions, and let the committee decide the two best teams in each P5 conference AND the best 6 not among those teams. The more I think about this idea, the more I like it.

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Re: I like it, but it makes too much sende to work


Jan 10, 2022, 10:30 AM

Another option would be to take the 10 P5 division winners plus the top 6 not in that group and let the committee seed them into a 16 team playoff starting the first week in December. I don’t like that as much because there are no conference champions.

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Jan 10, 2022, 8:42 AM

Its weird that people claim to want more diversity in the playoffs so they scream that we need to expand the field. Seems the simpler solution would be to require a conference championship to get a playoff birth. Its very simple, Bama has proven to be the better team so why is UGA in the playoffs? Who is to say one of the other conference champions would not have faired better than UGA? Even if UGA wins tonight (which I doubt) it proves nothing.

Take the top four conference champions and screw ND. If they want to be in the playoffs then join a conference like everyone else. If you cant win your conference then you dont deserve a playoff spot.

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Jan 10, 2022, 8:53 AM

So, should ACC Championship winner Pitt be in over UGA? Do you really think UGA is not the 2nd best team in the nation? If no, please tell me who’s should be there instead? IMO, the top four should be the best regardless of conference Championship.

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Jan 10, 2022, 9:32 AM

Bingo. This guy gets it.

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Jan 10, 2022, 10:32 AM

Does the “best team” always win every playoff game in any sport? It makes the conference championship games part of the playoffs. At that point it is win or go home.

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Jan 10, 2022, 10:42 AM

Maybe, but not because they're better. UGA is clearly a better than Pitt, however they had their shot and lost. Why do they get a second chance? Why not just let the backups play if both teams are going to make it to the playoff anyway? Why play Conf Champ. games at all?

If only conf. champs get in, it makes the CCG relevant and having national implications. It also becomes the first round of the playoff with 8 teams.

IMO, make the AAC a P5 and take the top ranked 4 conf champs (sorry ND, join a conf). You cant tell me Vandy, Duke are P5 caliber but UCF, Cinn, Houst etc are not...

So this year it would have been...

Alabama(UGA) / Michigan(Iowa) / Cincinnati(Houston) / Baylor(Ok St)

And take the major bowls out of the playoff and leave those for the teams that don't make the playoff. Currently the top 4 take the playoff spots AND the major bowls too. That really leaves little for the remaining 125+ teams to play for. Also eliminate conf tie-in to create more diverse matchups, instead of repeat matchups.

That leave the conf champ losers, other conf champs and ND get the Rose, Orange, Sugar, etc...

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Jan 10, 2022, 9:27 AM

I love your thought process, that is actually the very same way I see it, plus 1!!! But I would also add, teams that don't play in a power 5 conference, there should a some sort of a playoff for them, and the best two teams play in a Natty Jr championship game!!!

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Michigan State beat Michigan on the field


Jan 10, 2022, 9:50 AM

But Michigan still went to the conference championship game and Michigan State didn't. So what did Michigan State prove by beating Michigan? Aren't they in the same conference?

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yes!...any given year the two best teams very easily........

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Jan 10, 2022, 8:43 AM

can come from the same conference.

And we'd all want Clemson to have the same opportunity if we lost the Atlantic at 11-1 to FSU at 12-0 (as an example)

I've never been one to want playoff expansion, but with NIL/transfer portal it's vital for anybody not named Bama, UGA, Ohio State, etc... to have a shot.

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Jan 10, 2022, 8:44 AM

If a team lost in the regular season they shouldn’t get a rematch in ACCCG….right? So last year you shouldn’t of played ND for the ACC title cause you lost the regular season game.

I hope those cheez-it’s tasted good and that the mayo is spoiled next year for you.

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By your weird logic, UGA shouldn't have played Auburn

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Jan 10, 2022, 9:02 AM

in the 2017 SECCG and gone to the playoffs and lost the championship game to the SEC team that didn't win the conference or even play in the SECCG.

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Re: By your weird logic, UGA shouldn't have played Auburn


Jan 10, 2022, 9:34 AM

That’s not his logic, that the logic of several responders to the OP.

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Jan 10, 2022, 8:47 AM

If the best two teams in CFB are from the same conference, and one only loses to the other, then yes.

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every play off i can think of contains teams that

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Jan 10, 2022, 8:47 AM

did not win their sub-league

IT only sucks because the CFP is 4 teams and there are like 8 conferences now?
so it isn't about "teams getting in that didn't win their conference" it is about "teams did NOT get in who DID win their conference"

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Jan 10, 2022, 8:50 AM

Why should that matter if the playoff committee thinks they are one of the four best? The 2017 Bama team didn't win the SEC but got into the playoffs. What did they do? Beat #1 Clemson in the semis then beat #3 Georgia for the title. Do you doubt they were the best team in the country?

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lol.. playoffs don't have any thing to do with determining the


Jan 10, 2022, 9:24 AM

best team.. it is about wining Championships.

I don't think you will find any one who believes the NY Giants were the BEST team in the NFL in 2008... doesn't mater they are Super Bowl Champs.

Doesn't matter how you get there... once you are there you play for a CHAMPIONSHIP trophy .. not a internet best team trophy..

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Jan 10, 2022, 8:50 AM

That used to be the rule in basketball.

Anybody old enough to remember when only the winner of the ACC tourney got an invitation to the NCAA tournament? (Only 16 teams qualified.)

Back then the NIT was a huge tournament. One year Marquette (Al McGuire) turned down an NACC bid and went to the NIT instead.

South Carolina left the ACC and went independent because they had a great basketball program and were denied getting into the NCAA tourney because they didn't win the tourney.

One of the bad side effects is the 64 team tourney has devalued conference championships and the conference tournaments.

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Jan 10, 2022, 9:07 AM

^^^ this ^^^

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Jan 10, 2022, 8:50 AM

No they shouldn’t. Conference champs only. By overrating and underrating, the powers that be can manipulate under our current system, which will not change for the better because only the powers that be can make changes.
When you loose your last game of the season how do you get into the playoffs? 1. You must be SEC. 2. You must be a big money school.

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Jan 10, 2022, 9:38 AM

Was ND in the SEC last year? Or were they a lowly ACC team who will never get respect or the benefit of the doubt because they aren’t the SEC?

It’s crazy how short y’all’s memories are.

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Jan 10, 2022, 9:03 AM

Should a wild-card team in the NFL be allowed to play in the super bowl?

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Jan 10, 2022, 9:04 AM

Definitely. The 2 best teams should play. Conference championships shouldn't even matter. Some conferences suck.

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Jan 10, 2022, 9:23 AM

Yes some conferences do. But then you get back to the bcs system. Expanding playoffs is really the only thing that makes sense imo. Do that by either reducing # of reg season games or not have conference champs. I don't like the latter because a lot of conferences only have conference champs to win a title. WAC, MAC, whatever.

My vote would be to take the fcs or instate opponent and make it a one non counting pre season game/scrimmage. Then you could schedule more good games between top opponents.

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Yes. This year more than ever shows the 2

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Jan 10, 2022, 9:08 AM

best are from the same conference.

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No

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Jan 10, 2022, 9:17 AM

Win and you are in. This would lead to potentially great OOC matchups as they no longer would knock a team out of the playoffs.
Doing this might also spread out the talent and teams better again. It would be good for college football.

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Jan 10, 2022, 9:20 AM

no, Bama has already beaten UGA in conference championship. Someone asked about Pitt, who knows if Pitt can compete with Bama. They lost in the last minute to Michigan St with their 3rd string QB who had hardly played. Conference championships games should be part of the playoffs. Back when there were more conferences and more independents I thought we needed an 8 or 12 team playoff, but now we are down to 5 conferences so we no longer need expanded playoffs. Win your conference and you are in.

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Jan 10, 2022, 9:27 AM

Pitt would get blown out by Bama. The ACC was a joke this year. The two best teams are playing tonight. It's the way it should be. Georgia is favored tonight. I think Bama wins, but the two best teams are playing.

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Failure to win a conference championship is indisputable


Jan 10, 2022, 9:43 AM

proof that a team is NOT the best team in the country...at least on a particular day. But using this argument would mean, then that only undefeated teams should be eligible to be named national champion, right?

I agree with your premise, but how do we address the obvious conflict. Clearly the two best teams are playing for the championship, so I suppose I won't complain.

And then I guess we could argue "well, if they are clearly the best two teams, then why even play the conference championship game"? If you didn't, it would give them one less game played and one more week to prepare for the CFP, which would be an unfair advantage. But they could counter that by playing it, they are making it more difficult for Bama and Georgia, as they have to win two playoff games AND play another game against a top two team. IDK, seems like an irreconcilable argument to me.

If anything, the rematch makes me think that expanding the playoffs makes sense, whereas I was against it for a long time. I do think a P5 conference championship should be an automatic qualifier, but after that, put the best teams in. Works in hoops.

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I think it makes more sense for the conference championships


Jan 10, 2022, 9:58 AM

and the national championship to be separate. In other words, decide the playoff teams before the conference championship games take place. Treat them as separate titles won in separate ways.

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I tried to make that argument years ago when the NFL


Jan 10, 2022, 11:44 AM

instituted "Wild Cards" into the playoffs. The argument was lost long ago, there and pretty much everywhere else.

Think back over the years to the 70's in college basketball. There were some truly GREAT teams who had to sit at home missing March Madness because they got upset in conference tournaments.

Allowing non-conference winners into the post season keeps fan interest high, and generates more $$$, which, let's face it, drives EVERYTHING these days.

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