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Back to being spoiled fan, was looking at box score...DJ...

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Nov 29, 2021, 8:43 AM
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9/19 for 99 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT

For the season...this is pretty incredible

54.7% completion percentage, 172 (!!!) passing yards/per game, 9 TD, INT


There's no way Dabo can do his usual "Let the older, less talented guy start when a more talented freshmen is there" routine with Klubnik next year, right? RIGHT?

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He can, and he will. It will go like Trevor and Bryant

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Nov 29, 2021, 8:55 AM
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where KB got every chance to show he was a good enough option. That GT game showed he really wasn't. As for that particular 9/19 we'd have to look at how bad the incompletions were. By the end of the year DJ didn't really have any high talent and physically mature receivers to go to.

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Or like Stoudt and DW4

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:21 AM
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As far as DJ, this was an extraordinarly bad season and even with the injuries I assure you he had more talent to work with than most FBS teams...these season long stats are pretty unreal

Completion percentage 54.7% - 116th in FBS (out of 126)
Passing yards per attempt 6.0 - 118th
QB Rating 108.7 - 120th


I'm actually even amazed we won 9 games this year...I really hope any raises reserved for the offensive staff or instead given to Venables and crew

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Now, I will be a grumpy gus if it goes like

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:25 AM
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Stoudt and Watson. Putting the hand and knee injuries aside, I don't see how Stoudt gets back on the field after that Watson pass against UGA. KB and Trevor was a little less clear, at first. KB had done some winning and Trevor didn't come out and fully take the job until that GT game.

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Stoudt cost us two games. That was BS.***

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:40 AM
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He threw, IMO, the most ridiculous...

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:43 AM
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Pick 6 in college football history against GT.

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Man that’s a hot take….you sure you’ve seen

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:45 AM
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DJ’s pick six body of work this season?

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That Pitt one was pretty #### atrocious


Nov 29, 2021, 9:50 AM
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But Stoudt had Artavis streaking for the end zone, then turned the other way and threw a blind screen pass attempt.

The Pitt defender made a great play on DJ's. Stoudt's #### up was 100 percent him.

Comparison:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa7INnatKoM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKjymdIaADE

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Re: That Pitt one was pretty #### atrocious

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Nov 29, 2021, 10:43 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0heaXs00kE

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Makes me LOL.***

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Nov 29, 2021, 10:48 AM
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One pass does it??? You may forget that

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Nov 29, 2021, 10:38 AM
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they both played well in the first half against UGA 2014.

Both did nothing in 2nd half. Bad field position whole 3rd quarter.

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Yep...

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:22 AM
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Expect him to ease Klubnik in and name him the starter in time for DJ to transfer.

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I think the talent of the receivers was there

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:23 AM
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We were just lacking the ten foot tall receivers to catch his passes.

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But don't mix up talent and experience and being

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:27 AM
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a grownass man. Just think of how ETN grew in his 4 years.

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Looks like we need to revisit our WR recruiting.***

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:29 AM
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Deer Brand Brownlee, since you don't do anything with

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:32 AM
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basketball players, please send over your two guys that jump the best.

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Bum leg and bum finger also.

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:47 AM
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He will get his chance.

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DJ actually gets a slight pass on Saturday from me because

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:15 AM
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let's be honest here...we STARTED Will Swinney and a pair of true freshman receivers in this game. We're down to third-string as starters. A couple of those misses Saturday were actually good decisions to throw the ball away or really poor routes by the receivers. I'm not any quarterback in the country was going to look good throwing the ball for us Saturday night.

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Any growth DJ did have this year is more difficult to see

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:20 AM
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with all of the injuries. At least we did see the Collins get better over the years. I feel like Ladson and Ngata are going to be like Cain and McCloud and really hoping that the Collins can be much more Higgins and Ross-esque. Not saying they are the same type of receiver.

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Looking back on this year, it's a shame we didn't have an

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:26 AM
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athletic QB like a Kelly Bryant that could extend plays or move the pocket. We wouldn't have been a natty championship contender with that guy either, but I feel pretty certain we'd be playing in Charlotte this coming Saturday.

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Clearly we'd be in the playoff if we had prime Woody

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:30 AM
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Dantzler out there.

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How will we know that Klubnik is

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:24 AM
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more talented until he actually plays in a college game?

He's talented for HS, but he ain't no TL16 or DW4.

If he keeps working and getting better, he may be the guy. DJ on the other hand, also needs to work and get better.

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We don't.

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:31 AM
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The one thing Klubnik DOES seem to have by all accounts that DJ doesn't is that innate leadership trait that Watson and Lawrence have. We might need that more so right now than a big arm, to be honest. Like you said though...five stars mean nothing but hype until you start taking college snaps.

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Watch DJ throw a ball

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:34 AM
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Then ask yourself that question again. Id take Willy Korn, at the moment.

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During a game, hold a mirror in front of DJ’s face mask.

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:42 AM
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It won’t fog.

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But he will drop the ball to “fix” his hair and beard.

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Nov 29, 2021, 11:13 AM
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It’s so bad, I can’t even watch his post game interviews. Kinda makes me sad.

For you tennis folks, it’s almost as bad as Nadal’s pre-serve ritual.

Dear TL16, I miss the days when a journalist didn’t mute her mic and recommended a shave.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=K7WaGGxZDiY

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The increase in mobility alone is a huge asset


Nov 29, 2021, 9:51 AM
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I find it really hard to believe he could be any worse than what we got from our QBs this year

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it really sucks to win 30-0***

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:29 AM
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I wouldn't count DJ out quite yet. He could make quite the

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:32 AM
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jump from Sophomore to Junior seasons.

His stats were terrible and a slightly better QB gets us another ACC Championship. He also lost Ross, Ngata, Ladsdon, EJ Williams, and Galloway. Those are the top 5 pass catchers on Clemson's team, talent wise. Collins and Collins started to step up, but they are true freshman. Also, there was alot of turnover on the line from week to week, especially early in the season.

I chalk this season up to injuries and rebuilding, next year might be special though.

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Christmas morning special

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:38 AM
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Or Forrest getting into Jennys pants and knocking her up special

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Re: Christmas morning special

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:41 AM
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I wouldn't either...

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:46 AM
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I think he had a combination of mental and physical problems this year. I wonder if the entire year would not have been different if we had played Georgia week two or three and had a warm up in there before them.

I think he has the talent and he led his high school team to a LOT of wins. And we beat some huge names in getting him signed. If he gets his head right he could still be what we thought he was.

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^^^ 100%***

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:58 AM
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MauldinT, where are you???


It's a great point on the UGA loss and timing in the season***

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Nov 29, 2021, 10:00 AM
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Agree. And just as he was starting to 'run' a bit he tweaked

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Nov 29, 2021, 10:04 AM
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his knee at Luhville. With the bad luck with receivers and dicey pass blocking he didn't have much chance to develop like he would have otherwise.

Don't count him out yet.
Some competition from freshman next year may help push him too.

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I appreciate the optimism, but the sample size

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Nov 29, 2021, 10:07 AM
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Is large enough for me to believe we know what we have.

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I'm no expert when it comes to QBs, but what I see is a guy

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Nov 29, 2021, 10:08 AM
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that can survive behind a stout line making throws if he doesn't have to move a lot. Think old-school pocket passer. I think some of the accuracy issues and pocket presence might very well be attributable to the mental aspect more so than physical or scheme, but injuries coupled with sub-par line play made those flaws shine brighter. He's also got to learn how to survey the whole field instead of getting locked into one side, but again the line play could have sped up his internal clock this year. It is possible that he can be a very good QB, but I think the jig is up with him being a game-changer. I hope the lessons of this year elevate him next year, but he also needs to become a little more fiery with his leadership.


I guess like the rest of the fanbase, Bojangles, and Dr. Pepper...we'll have to wait and see.

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Translation: Billy Joe Tolliver with a deep tan.***

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Nov 29, 2021, 10:11 AM
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The problem for ANY team with a QB like that is the fact

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Nov 29, 2021, 10:16 AM
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that every team has athletes spread across the roster now. It's awfully hard to put an OL out there in ANY program that allows the QB time to take the snap and carefully set out a decorative picnic spread in the backfield while waiting for someone to get open.

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I was just trying to think how he could have succeeded this

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Nov 29, 2021, 10:21 AM
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Season with his skill set remaining flat, and all I could come up with was swapping him into a Rodney Williams style option offense, but even then I’m not sure he’d make good decisions on when to keep and when to pitch.

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Oh no, no, no.

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Nov 29, 2021, 10:47 AM
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Gotta have an athlete at QB to run an option style/zone-read offense. We might have done that with Taisun Phommachanh, but definitely not DJ.

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Hold up.


Nov 29, 2021, 12:18 PM
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Did you just call Rodney Williams an athlete?

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I get the WR injuries but DJ's accuracy was HORRIBLE


Nov 29, 2021, 10:04 AM
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Countless passes that were 3-5 yards over the WR's head and had no touch on slants/posts and would throw the ball way in front of the WR

DJ finally improved by just lofting up the deep ball and letting the WR go up and get it or draw a flag - but accuracy is one of the hardest things to fix and I just don't see how an offseason will do it

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I watched the replay of the wake game

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Nov 29, 2021, 10:09 AM
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and announcers kept talking about how hard it is to throw a ball with a bandage on his index finger, I don't think he had it for the SC game, but it definitely was a problem

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Cade needs to add quite a bit of muscle and weight.

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:39 AM
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He's not very big right now and doesn't have the strongest arm. It is not the norm for a freshman QB to come in and play right away. He's going to need some time.

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Right, there's no way players ever improve....

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:58 AM
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and mature from starting their sophomore year to their junior year.

Seriously, I think making assumptions about how good a player will be in a future year is pretty naïve, considering what we've seen at the QB position in college football over the last 10-15 years.

Not to mention we would hope our OL and WR corps is going to be better next year.

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I'd agree with that, but I think DJ has actually gotten

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Nov 29, 2021, 9:59 AM
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slower since coming to college.

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His running wasn't really his problem IMO....


Nov 29, 2021, 10:05 AM
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may have been a little slower this year...hard to say...he was banged up towards the end of the season.

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I'm not necessarily talking about running

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Nov 29, 2021, 11:05 AM
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Seems he tries to sit in the pocket too long before he throws. That doesn't work well with an O-line as porous as ours is.

He needs an upgraded processor with a larger onboard cache to allow for faster passing.

And he's just generally slow running, too.

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If he gets his head right...


Nov 29, 2021, 10:07 AM
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he can run plenty well enough to run this offense.

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Mix his issues with our QB development track record


Nov 29, 2021, 10:19 AM
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Other than Stoudt having a great single bowl game with playcalling adjusted for his QB style, can you name another Clemson QB who developed and improved greatly from start to finish? I can’t. The great ones started great and finished great, and the average ones started average and transferred out average.

Look at TP. 4 star prospect ranked 5-10 in the country at recruiting time. Been with us since 2019 and our staff doesn’t trust him for more than a series at a time. We don’t develop QB’s, period.

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250 is too heavy for him. Besides, I dont believe the 250.


Nov 29, 2021, 12:08 PM
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Looks heavier than that. 6'5", 250 is not that big. He's huge. And slow.

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Re: Back to being spoiled fan, was looking at box score...DJ...

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Nov 29, 2021, 10:15 AM
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I don't think Dabo will throw a true freshman in the fire so DJ might start two games. That's if he can't reason any better than throwing to someone other than his primary receiver and enters the portal.

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Nuk, Sammy, Mike, Tee, Scott, Rodgers, Deon and Ray Ray

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Nov 29, 2021, 12:20 PM
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Won routes, high pointed catches, blocked, racked up YAC and most importantly, if they didn’t win 50:50 balls _ they, for the most part, made dang sure the defender didn’t.

Other than Ross, Clemson WRs were a little soft this year and not as refined in their skill. The WR group has talent but need to work hard at their trade.

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You're giving 2021 Ross too much credit. He was nothing like

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Nov 29, 2021, 10:42 AM
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18-19 Ross. Sure hope he can get a chance to re-develop in the NFL.

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If anyone ever needed to stay, he does. Wish him the


Nov 29, 2021, 12:11 PM
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best, but ...

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Nuk, Sammy, Mike, Tee, Scott, Rodgers, Deon and Ray Ray

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Nov 29, 2021, 10:36 AM
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Won routes, high pointed catches, blocked, racked up YAC and most importantly, if they didn’t win 50:50 balls _ they, for the most part, made dang sure the defender didn’t.

Other than Ross, Clemson WRs were a little soft this year and not as refined in their skill. The WR group has talent but need to work hard at their trade.

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And Hunter was almost impossible to cover and dropped nothing***

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