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CU Guru [1534]
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The ACC needs to protect its championship game
Apr 30, 2013, 2:22 PM
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Whether there's realignment of north/south, old/new or nothing at all, the ACC needs to prevent another repeat of last year's atrocious FSU/GT joke of a championship game.
I say the #2 team in a division goes to the championship game if it is ranked in the top 15 AND the other div champ has 4 or more FBS losses, or some such rule. Clearly a FSU/CU rematch last year would have been a barn burner and good for the conference image.
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I do not agree
Apr 30, 2013, 2:25 PM
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1) Two divisions play different teams
2) Last year was a unique situation where 2 teams in the other division were ineligible.
3) No league in any sport anywhere does championship games that way.
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Orange Blooded [4947]
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Re: The ACC needs to protect its championship game
Apr 30, 2013, 2:25 PM
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You can do that but you are essentially eliminating one team from the BCS/playoff. If we finished 11-1 and FSU finished 12-1 you have the opportunity to get two teams in.
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CU Guru [1534]
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Re: The ACC needs to protect its championship game
Apr 30, 2013, 2:33 PM
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If the CFP boys allow a team to avoid their championship game, sit home and rest their players, prevent any injuries, and then allow them into the CFP, you can have my CFP tickets for sure.
I predict the non-semi games will become the NIT games of the CFP. Why watch?
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Orange Blooded [4947]
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Re: The ACC needs to protect its championship game
Apr 30, 2013, 4:10 PM
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You mean the same people that had Bama ranked #2 in 2011 and Florida #3 in 2012?
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Orange Blooded [2303]
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Re: The ACC needs to protect its championship game
Apr 30, 2013, 2:34 PM
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You are OVER thinking it. Division champs go. Some times they won't be the best two teams. But that's how it works sometimes.
The SEC has mismatches all the time, and it doesn't affect its games.
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Oculus Spirit [83073]
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LOL. GT played FSU tough, 21-15 loss.***
Apr 30, 2013, 2:43 PM
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And that helped the perception of the ACC how?***
Apr 30, 2013, 3:21 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83073]
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It didn't but you can't select the conference champion
Apr 30, 2013, 4:58 PM
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with hindsight.
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Athletic Dir [872]
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I wish they would change this about the ACCC game though
Apr 30, 2013, 3:11 PM
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like they do in the PAC-12. Highest ranked division winner gets to host the Conference Championship game. Enough of the Nuetral Site nonsense. This would pretty much guarantee a sell-out each year.
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110%er [8681]
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then we would have had to go VT twice in 2011
Apr 30, 2013, 4:19 PM
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even though we handled them @ their place
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Legend [15748]
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I just think that's the worst idea.
Apr 30, 2013, 4:47 PM
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I don't know if that would guarantee a sell out, but I KNOW it would guarantee a maximum capacity of less than Bank of America stadium for almost the entire ACC:
Wake: 31,500
Duke: 33,941
BC: 44,500
Syracuse: 49,262
Lville: 55,000
GT: 55,000
NCSU: 57,583
UVA: 61,500
UNC: 62,980
Pitt: 65,050
VT: 66,233
Bank of America Stadium capacity: 73,778
Basically three stadiums are bigger than that in our conference: Us, FSU and Miami. But Miami uses a pro stadium and there's no way to know that it would be available. (I would assume the stadium owners would rather make a buck off of the place rather than hold it open in hopes of the Hurricanes winning their division). So, you're down to FSU or Clemson, who are both in the same division so if a Coastal team is ever the highest rank this is a guaranteed loser.
You also inhibit sales when you have a possible champion on one side waiting to find out if they'll be playing in Boston or Tallahassee.
Bottom line: Our attendance has been hot and cold. The key will be finding a way to get consistently good crowds in Charlotte. I think we can get there.
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110%er [5084]
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Same thing happened in the Big 10 last year with OSU and PSU
Apr 30, 2013, 3:33 PM
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ineligible in the Leaders Division. Third place Wisconsin (7-5) made the championship game and took Nebraska behind the woodshed 70-31 and wound up in the Rose Bowl.
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110%er [7913]
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someone in the coastal needs to step up beside VT
Apr 30, 2013, 3:42 PM
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and play to win on a consistent basis. We need that more than anything to make the title game better. The ACC needs Miami to be good more than anything.
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CU Guru [1198]
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NCAA Rules
Apr 30, 2013, 3:48 PM
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I think there is an NCAA rule that says the two teams that play in a conference championship game have to be division winners, so the ACC couldn't do something like that.
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Orange Blooded [4668]
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Re: GT Beat the USC Trojans Easily in Their Bowl Game
Apr 30, 2013, 3:55 PM
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Not a Fan of GT, but they did show up in some of their games and played well. They had to get special permission from the NCAA to even play in the bowl game.
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Legend [15748]
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Ha ha. Last year a 4-4 Wisconsin team won 70-31 against
Apr 30, 2013, 4:02 PM
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a 7-1 Nebraska team in front of 41,260 fans.
In the ACCCG, FSU beat GT 21-15 in front of 64,788.
Who, exactly, has a problem?
"Frankly the biggest thing the ACC needs to do is to get control of its narrative rather than allowing others to control it and get its fans to stop being such a group of self-loathing whiners and get them to be more positive about the conference their schools are in."
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Team Captain [453]
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That's a one year anomly
Apr 30, 2013, 4:31 PM
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you are trying to use as your justification.
Last year there were a variety of reasons we got what we got in the title game
1) 2-team league with Clemson and FSU clearly superior to the rest of the league but in the same division
2) Top 2 teams from the Coastal division ineligible
Teams are going to cycle through good and bad years. It will be impossible to know, in what division, the better teams will reside. The only other year where this may have been an issue was in the opening year (2005) When 9-3 (6-2) Miami was left out of the title game as Va Tech won that side and an 8-4 (5-3) FSU team represented the Atlantic. Not exactly a huge discrepancy between those two.
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Athletic Dir [865]
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Solution! A 4 team play-off via the "flex game".
Apr 30, 2013, 4:33 PM
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You could play 6 divisional games, 1 game vs your permanent rival, and 1 flex game per year.
The flex game is played 2 Saturday's after Thanksgiving. In even years, the Atlantic Division schools will host the flex game. In odd years the Coastal Division will host.
The first place team in the Atlantic plays the second place team in the Coastal.
The first place team in the Coastal plays the second place team in the Atlantic.
The third place team in the Atlantic plays the third place team in the Coastal. Fourth vs. Fourth. etc. etc. Last vs. Last.
The two winner of the first place games meet the following week in the ACC-CG.
Everyone loves a play-off.
The problem with a play-off is that it "cheapens" the regular season.
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Unless some combination of Clemson, FSU or Va Tech are in
Apr 30, 2013, 5:06 PM
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the game, the issue is moot.
The ACC title game will be a debacle attendance-wise if Clemson ... FSU ... or Va Tech are not playing.
Various other match-ups have already proven not to draw flies regardless of location or venue.
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All-TigerNet [11024]
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I think UNC and NCS would show well in Charlotte******
Apr 30, 2013, 5:10 PM
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Got to get there first...***
Apr 30, 2013, 5:12 PM
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Legend [15748]
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With the game in Charlotte, attendance should be good if
Apr 30, 2013, 5:13 PM
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any of these teams are in it:
VT, Clemson, FSU, GT, UNC, NCSU.
Wake would probably get a good crowd as well, just because it's local.
UVA might be able to pull some fans in as well.
We'll see about the more northern teams, but attendance isn't BAD now...just can always get better.
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All-TigerNet [11934]
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Good attendance is relative ... only way it sells out is
Apr 30, 2013, 9:31 PM
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with some combination of Clemson, FSU, or Va Tech.
Ga Tech, UVA, Wake don't ever travel well and UNC/NCSU has a marginal following on the road.
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All-TigerNet [11934]
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In theory, it should ...
Apr 30, 2013, 9:28 PM
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But, honestly, several of my best friends at NC State don't even go over to Chapel Hill to games with UNC. The only bowl game they've attended in the 15 years I've known them was the Gator Bowl when they played Notre Dame. And they are complete Wolfpack fanatics. I just don't think the overall football enthusiasm is there for Pack fans or Tar Heel fans.
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That's hardly true. Only once has the ACCCG NOT
Apr 30, 2013, 5:11 PM
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had one of those three teams, and that was GT vs Wake Forest in Florida.
Let the game develop tradition in Charlotte and I think it will continue to grow.
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All-TigerNet [11934]
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Got to have 2 of those teams, not just one ...
May 6, 2013, 5:33 PM
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I stand by my original statement. Unless Clemson/FSU/or VaTech are playing each other, no sell-out.
Charlotte is the best location for sure, but the teams playing have to have a following and only Clemson, FSU, and VaTech qualify.
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All-TigerNet [10840]
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Louisville fans would show up and as long as it stays in
Apr 30, 2013, 5:40 PM
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Charlotte - UNC and NCState would bring larger crowds too.
So I disagree on CU,FSU and VT being the only three. I also thought GT took a good crowd when we played them even in Tampa.
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Re: Louisville fans would show up and as long as it stays in
May 6, 2013, 5:34 PM
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A "good crowd" is different from a sell-out.
GaTech and NC State fans do not follow their football teams in sufficient numbers to sell-out stadiums.
UNC is better but only marginally. I will relent and throw UNC in the mix as a team that when combined with Clemson, FSU, or VATech, would sell-out the ACC title game.
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All-TigerNet [10840]
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No, the teams of the ACC need to start winning and stop
Apr 30, 2013, 5:33 PM
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getting in trouble with the NCAA, self imposing penlties etc. and the championship game will be fine. I like the current alignment and also the fact we will play FSU,GT and Louisville every season.
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Re: No, the teams of the ACC need to start winning and stop
Apr 30, 2013, 9:48 PM
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to me. this is the right answer
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NCAA won't allow that***
Apr 30, 2013, 10:40 PM
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110%er [8008]
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Believe it or not, there is talk of changing the way
May 6, 2013, 9:17 PM
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the two teams are chosen for the ACCCG. Currently the NCAA won't allow it, but the thinking is rules will change. The Big12 is planning on making the proposal to allow CC games without divisions.
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