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Orange Blooded [2203]
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I was talking with my son about 9/11
Sep 11, 2020, 12:10 PM
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He said there were only 3K deaths that day and 192K deaths from Covid-19. I said the difference is we went after the people that made 9-11 happen but we will not go after China for releasing this on us and the world. Times have changed.
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Re: I was talking with my son about 9/11
Sep 11, 2020, 12:16 PM
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HOT TAKE
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I KNOW RIGHT?
Sep 11, 2020, 12:21 PM
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We are living in a pansy world. Why won't our leadership go bomb china like we did Iraq? Who makes those decisions? Why won't they? If you were in charge, what would you be doing about it?
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Re: I KNOW RIGHT?
Sep 11, 2020, 12:31 PM
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I know bombing China would start WWIII. The bible says that is who we fight in the end. It will happen sooner or later but when no one knows. I would not want to be the one that starts it myself. They have stolen all of our technology.
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Heisman Winner [137787]
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The Bible says we fight China to the death?
Sep 11, 2020, 12:33 PM
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Got a link or a verse I could reference?
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Orange Blooded [2203]
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Re: The Bible says we fight China to the death?
Sep 11, 2020, 12:41 PM
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Read the book of Revelation. It says we will fight the great Kings of the east. Who might that be for the time the book was written?
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Heisman Winner [137787]
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So is your prediction for the End of Times based on a single
Sep 11, 2020, 1:08 PM
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fairly obscure verse in Revelations? And if so, do we need to go ahead and start the war based on a virus that showed up in China and made its way around the world?
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Re: So is your prediction for the End of Times based on a single
Sep 11, 2020, 1:15 PM
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Does China have kings? Maybe the Bible wants us to invade in Bhutan. They have a king.
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Re: So is your prediction for the End of Times based on a single
Sep 11, 2020, 2:06 PM
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I think they might have had a King when revelation was written but not sure maybe you can find out.
https://bible.org/seriespage/12-kings-east-oriental-confederacy One of the significant developments of the twentieth century is the political and military awakening of the Orient. The great nations of Asia east of the Euphrates River, slumbering for centuries, are now beginning to stir and to become a major factor in the international situation. One of the significant developments of the twentieth century is the political and military awakening of the Orient. The great nations of Asia east of the Euphrates River, slumbering for centuries, are now beginning to stir and to become a major factor in the international situation.
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Re: So is your prediction for the End of Times based on a single
Sep 11, 2020, 2:07 PM
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I am assume you are not a Christian.
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You raise a very interesting point.
Sep 11, 2020, 1:23 PM
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East and west are relative, assuming you go with the earth is round theory.
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Oculus Spirit [81628]
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Correct. But in this case China is to the west of the
Sep 11, 2020, 1:24 PM
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United States as it's closer that way - despite the cultural connotation of us being the "West", at least that's how I would look at it Biblically.
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It depends on which way you go to get there***
Sep 11, 2020, 1:47 PM
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Oculus Spirit [81628]
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Hence the "Correct."***
Sep 11, 2020, 2:00 PM
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Don't most flights to China first go north?
Sep 11, 2020, 5:55 PM
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Re: Don't most flights to China first go north?
Sep 11, 2020, 6:24 PM
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I don't think they were able to fly when the revelations was written but could be wrong. I don't think they were in the USA either. You can research it tho.
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After you read it, read about the author and his intended
Sep 11, 2020, 1:44 PM
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audience. Then think about why he wrote it. And if your honest with yourself, you’ll wonder what in the world you were thinking about this China thing
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Re: The Bible says we fight China to the death?
Sep 13, 2020, 10:52 PM
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You know people that are not Christian always asked where to find anything you say in the bible. This tell me you have never ready it. I have had people say where in the bible does it say Homosexuality is wrong. When you show them they never say another word just like you.
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So again I ask, what should be done?
Sep 11, 2020, 12:39 PM
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And in what bible are you reading that we will get involved in a fight with China until the end of the world? Just know that if Vince McMahon or Rush Limbaugh are referenced in the proverb name I'd totally get down with it.
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Your suggestion is...what?
Sep 11, 2020, 12:23 PM
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Go to war with China? Hey, how about some tariffs! That'll show'em.
No, but seriously, explain the statement you made to your son, and show us that you're providing him with proper parental guidance.
As a refresher, we went to Iraq, which had precisely nothing to do with 9/11, based on anti-Muslim/Middle East sentiment and opportunism, and upwards of 185,000 Iraqis are dead as a result. And the people ACTUALLY responsible, the Saudis...remind me again what we did there? Teaching your offspring revisionist history will lead to this happening again. Rinse, repeat, I reckon.
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Re: Your suggestion is...what?
Sep 11, 2020, 12:26 PM
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He a grown man, the guidance I gave him was China is not our friend and we should bring all manufacturing back before something else happens. He was a child during 9-11 and he knows all about it because I remember it every year.
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All-In [43560]
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bring ALL manufacturing back?
Sep 11, 2020, 12:32 PM
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Bud you should probably take the time to learn more about the consequences of that. That's dumb. Real dumb.
Unless you want a literal AND figurative wall put around the US and turn our economy into a domestic-only situation. Maybe that would work lol.
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Re: bring ALL manufacturing back?
Sep 11, 2020, 12:38 PM
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No its not that is something that has been told for 50 years. We gave them everything. I worked for a company 30 yrs ago that sent them high tech machinery @ that time. What did they do copy it and started making those machines. The company I worked for no longer is in business. We did it to ourselves and this generation will pay for it.
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Today's manufacturing ain't the same industry as 30 years
Sep 11, 2020, 12:43 PM
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ago. I mean, doesn't EVERYONE to some degree "steal" ideas and concepts?
Supply chain diversification, geography, workforce economics, and speed of production are far more important in a global economy than worrying about the Chinese "stealing" technology.
In many cases we GIVE them technology because it, believe it or not, helps the US manufacturing sector.
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Re: Today's manufacturing ain't the same industry as 30 years
Sep 11, 2020, 1:06 PM
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You are so full of it or brain washed either way. Every small town and big city in the USA had all there factories close. When I was growing up everyone had a job. Now no one has a job they are rioting in the streets. Ya, we all made money off those Asian funds but what about everyone else?
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We had 0% unemployment in the 80's?
Sep 11, 2020, 1:06 PM
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wow.
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Orange Blooded [2203]
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Re: We had 0% unemployment in the 80's?
Sep 11, 2020, 1:09 PM
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How old do you think I am?
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Eh, neither. May just have some experience in the industry.
Sep 11, 2020, 1:22 PM
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Since you've been out of the game for awhile apparently and stuck in a time warp, I'll offer a few things here to get you up to where we are today:
*Not all factories have closed in every small town and big city in the USA.
*When you were growing up, not everyone had a job. That's factually incorrect.
*Today there ARE people with jobs
*There are far fewer people rioting in the streets than all that would be a part of the statement "no one has jobs they are rioting in the streets"
Since 2014 US manufacturing output has been over $2B each year. That was never done prior to 2014.
Net you are the one that is full of it or brain washed or, more likely, just old and out of touch.
Also, I'm rubber you're glue. What you say bounces off me and sticks to you.
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Re: Eh, neither. May just have some experience in the industry.
Sep 11, 2020, 3:01 PM
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Why don't you take some of my glue and stick it on the outside cover of a bible open it and start reading. I think it might help you in the end.
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All-In [43560]
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Lol
Sep 14, 2020, 6:44 AM
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Ok papa.
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And we probably get the product for cheaper now. Sounds good to me.
Sep 11, 2020, 6:38 PM
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They make stuff a lot cheaper for consumers so my dollar goes further, they can keep it.
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Orange Blooded [2203]
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Re: And we probably get the product for cheaper now. Sounds good to me.
Sep 11, 2020, 6:54 PM
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Which product can they keep?
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So again, what's your suggestion?
Sep 14, 2020, 7:43 AM
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Go to war with China?
And you're still wrong that we "went after" the people responsible for 9/11. We went after Al Queda, sure, but as Joe mentions below, at what cost? And then nothing done to the Saudis and a false pretense to attack Iraq.
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Re: So again, what's your suggestion?
Sep 14, 2020, 10:22 AM
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Iraq was a big mistake. You can say what ever about Saddam Hussein but he did make the middle east kind of stable if there is any kind of stability in that region. I would not like to be the one that start WW3 but it will happen sooner or later.
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That’s one of the problems with war. I supported the
Sep 11, 2020, 12:28 PM
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war in Afghanistan, practically everyone did. It just felt good that we were doing something, but what did we gain?
2372 military deaths, 20, 230 wounded, 1720 U.S. civilian deaths, and close to a trillion dollars. We weakened Al-Qaeda but was it worth it?
Could you imagine the cost of lives and money with a war against China?
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Re: That’s one of the problems with war. I supported the
Sep 11, 2020, 12:34 PM
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The China Virus is my son's generation's 9-11.
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Uhhhhhh
Sep 11, 2020, 12:47 PM
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No its not.
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Re: Uhhhhhh
Sep 11, 2020, 1:08 PM
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It sounded good anyway.
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I don't think anyone wants a hot war with China.
Sep 11, 2020, 1:40 PM
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Trump has shown zero interest in military action against anyone other than responding to Iran's attacks and he was well reserved in his reaction to Iran.
I think decoupling from China on medical supplies, medications and other of America's critical needs is all anyone wants or expects.
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Re: I don't think anyone wants a hot war with China.
Sep 11, 2020, 2:38 PM
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steel, electronics and automation. We can let them weave cotton I guess but NAFTA was awful and turned small towns in to ghost towns.
My wife worked for a news paper in 1980. They print the newsletter for 20 companies. Not one of those companies are in business today.
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Re: I was talking with my son about 9/11
Sep 11, 2020, 1:12 PM
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1. Doubtful China did it on purpose.
2. A war with China would cost us 10's of millions of lives with no real purpose for the war.
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Re: I was talking with my son about 9/11
Sep 11, 2020, 6:26 PM
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I think that is close to what the bible says.
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Re: I was talking with my son about 9/11
Sep 11, 2020, 1:40 PM
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Really? We went after Saudi Arabia? News to me
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Well, if we did things the same way...
Sep 14, 2020, 7:41 AM
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We handled post-9/11, we would invade Thailand and somehow hint that they were responsible.
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