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I miss the excitement of waking up on basketball game days
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I miss the excitement of waking up on basketball game days


Jan 1, 2022, 1:34 PM

When Purnell was coaching, knowing there would be a fun game to watch, instead of a bunch of excuses.

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Re: I miss the excitement of waking up on basketball game days


Jan 1, 2022, 1:42 PM

looks like youre missing about 31% which likely means youre 100 % coot

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I was 31% coot


Jan 1, 2022, 1:46 PM

But it came out in a huge pile this morning. Hopefully it flushed all the way to Columbia.

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Re: I was 31% coot


Jan 1, 2022, 2:34 PM

It flushed out when half your team refused to play Clemson in basketball. Didn’t the women teams just lose? Just can’t beat any tigers huh?

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He’s trolling JK


Jan 1, 2022, 2:29 PM [ in reply to Re: I miss the excitement of waking up on basketball game days ]

So .. I dunno ?

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....And, the bait is in the water, trolling, trolling......


Jan 1, 2022, 1:47 PM

:)

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Trolling the troll


Jan 1, 2022, 2:26 PM

??

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Re: I miss the excitement of waking up on basketball game days


Jan 3, 2022, 7:46 AM

You should have become a depaul fan. I hear his teams were really exciting there!

What was the greatest accomplishment that you witnessed under OP?

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Playing for an ACC championship


Jan 3, 2022, 7:53 AM

1 of just 2 Clemson teams to do so

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Re: Playing for an ACC championship


Jan 3, 2022, 7:55 AM

Ok. So making it to the ACC championship game, and losing it was Purnell's greatest accomplishment. Wow, that's impressive.

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Re: Playing for an ACC championship


Jan 3, 2022, 8:12 AM

It is, it’s something Brownlee has never done nor will ever do. You OP bashers just don’t get it, we were good under him, no we did not have success in the NCAA tournament, but we’re routinely in the top 25, posted some great wins and respectable showings in the ACC tournament. We were consistent and made the NCAA tournament three years in a row before he left which, is a great accomplishment as well. Basketball games were fun to attend under him, and LJ was packed every time I went. I understand his early struggles, but Larry Shyatt had completely run the program into the ground and Purnell had to start from scratch. Don’t revise history to make current coach look better, it just makes you look silly

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Re: Playing for an ACC championship


Jan 3, 2022, 9:41 AM

Cdixon11 said:

It is, it’s something Brownlee has never done nor will ever do. You OP bashers just don’t get it, we were good under him, no we did not have success in the NCAA tournament, but we’re routinely in the top 25, posted some great wins and respectable showings in the ACC tournament. We were consistent and made the NCAA tournament three years in a row before he left which, is a great accomplishment as well. Basketball games were fun to attend under him, and LJ was packed every time I went. I understand his early struggles, but Larry Shyatt had completely run the program into the ground and Purnell had to start from scratch. Don’t revise history to make current coach look better, it just makes you look silly


You speak of revisionist history, but you say we were routinely in the top 25. By my count we were in the final AP top 25 2 out of 7 years under Purnell.

Also, we only won 3 ACC tourney games in his 7 years here.

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Re: Playing for an ACC championship


Jan 3, 2022, 10:00 AM


Cdixon11 said:

It is, it’s something Brownlee has never done nor will ever do. You OP bashers just don’t get it, we were good under him, no we did not have success in the NCAA tournament, but we’re routinely in the top 25, posted some great wins and respectable showings in the ACC tournament. We were consistent and made the NCAA tournament three years in a row before he left which, is a great accomplishment as well. Basketball games were fun to attend under him, and LJ was packed every time I went. I understand his early struggles, but Larry Shyatt had completely run the program into the ground and Purnell had to start from scratch. Don’t revise history to make current coach look better, it just makes you look silly


You speak of revisionist history, but you say we were routinely in the top 25. By my count we were in the final AP top 25 2 out of 7 years under Purnell.

Also, we only won 3 ACC tourney games in his 7 years here.



Look, not turning this into a Brad vs OP who was better, but you really counting OP's first three years when he was trying to get it competitive how bad it was under Shyatt? OP wasn't perfect by any stretch but to say he didn't do some good things is ludicrous. OP got greedy and that is why deserved everything he got at DePaul but he had a good program here his last four years.

Do you think Brad would have turned around the program any quicker than OP did? I doubt it. Brad said he would not even taken the Clemson job if OP did not do a good job here.

Brad has done some very good things but needs to get more consistent and have more success in the ACCT for sure.

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Re: Playing for an ACC championship


Jan 3, 2022, 11:21 AM [ in reply to Re: Playing for an ACC championship ]

Yes, and we were routinely worn out by tournament time because of the relentless press.

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What is Brad's?


Jan 3, 2022, 8:22 AM [ in reply to Re: Playing for an ACC championship ]

I'm not a basher of Brad. Brad's is a Sweet 16. That's about it. In the context of 75+ years of futility in the ACC, playing for a championship for only the 2nd time is a huge deal. Conversely we've been to 4 Sweet 16's

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Re: What is Brad's?


Jan 3, 2022, 8:29 AM

Actually winning a game in the tournament
Going to the sweet 16
Beating UNC in chapel hill
Beating a school record 8 NCAA tourney teams during the regular season last year.

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Re: What is Brad's?


Jan 3, 2022, 8:42 AM

Two good years in 4 are a step for Brad in right direction, but got to do it consistently for sure now.

Hey, we could win tomorrow night, but the excuses are already there if we lose for Brad. Either we were rusty not playing in two weeks vs a team we just beat, and/or what players are out because of COVID tomorrow night.

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Other than ending the streak against that bad


Jan 3, 2022, 9:38 AM [ in reply to Re: What is Brad's? ]

NC team, a true albatross, none top playing for an ACC championship. That's the albatross now. 78 years and counting

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Re: What is Brad's?


Jan 3, 2022, 9:56 AM [ in reply to What is Brad's? ]

Wait, so you would rather lose in the acc Championship game than make it to the sweet 16?

Also by your logic, brownell winning in chapel hill is more of an accomplishment than losing in the ACC championship game.

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Re: Playing for an ACC championship


Jan 3, 2022, 10:17 AM [ in reply to Re: Playing for an ACC championship ]

Oh but the game against Duke was so sweet . That was a great game to watch and it's a great memory! Right after the game I called a friend in Charleston I used to work with in Greenville , a huge Duke fan , to give him some friendly ribbing .Good times !

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Purnell always had the house packed


Jan 3, 2022, 9:52 AM [ in reply to Re: I miss the excitement of waking up on basketball game days ]

And games were fun to go to because of how we played and how much we won. He consistently made the tournament. He made the tournament as many times with one recruiting class as Brownlee has I’m his whole tenure here. And that was back when the ACC was good at basketball.

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Re: Purnell always had the house packed


Jan 3, 2022, 10:00 AM

1. He made the tourney 3 out of 7 years. That's not consistent
2. The ACC was not good at basketball OP's entire tenure. The year we made and lost the ACC championship game, the acc only had 3 tourney teams
3. Brad has won here just as much as OP.
4. When OP left the talent and team was trending in the wrong direction. Right now, our team is trending in the right direction

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Re: Purnell always had the house packed


Jan 3, 2022, 10:40 AM

Brownlee took over a team that had made three straight tournaments and turned it into this. A team that has made 3 tournaments in 11 seasons. Even if you count the early lean years against Purnell and the first year of Brownlee where he had Purnell’s recruits, 3 in 7 beats 3 in 11 every time. With every possible advantage Brownlee isn’t half the coach Purnell was. Those are just the facts. Look at attendance figures in Purnell’s 7th year and compare them to Brownlee’s 7th year and it’s not close. We all know what’s right in front of us.

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Re: Purnell always had the house packed


Jan 9, 2022, 2:32 PM

Maybe but OP left to kill DePaul program

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TEK


I feel the exact same way.

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Jan 3, 2022, 7:54 AM

Those teams had an identity, always did it with maximum effort, and were a ton of fun to watch. Really looked forward to watching them play.

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Re: I miss the excitement of waking up on basketball game days


Jan 3, 2022, 9:19 AM

Yeah, in those days when OP lost, you knew it in the first five minutes and could go just hit up a bar before halftime to complain about Bowdens loss to Wake. - Wait, GT just made another layup- . Sure, it was fun at time but even more frustrating than today because you KNEW that if a team cracked OP's press there was nothing OP could do. GT's another layup. Or how about running rough shod over a questionable OOC schedule, being 15-0 and then ending the season 4-10 slide? Sure, we could beat bad teams in those days, even knock off a good team on a decent nigh, but any halfway competently coached team would beat us. I mean we beat more ranked team last year than in any one of OP's last (best) three years (3 and one was a questionable No.24 VT team). (GT Layup)

I will take winning consistently without a gimmick over anything OP provided. Don't get me wrong, I loved OP because he brought us back from the Shyatt years (another GT layup). Excitement was back mostly because we were not a doormat anymore. However, I think OP only have about 6 wins over ranked ACC foes- you know back when every acc was ranked /s (GT Layup redux). Excuses? We have never been a more stable BB programs at any point than right now.

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Guess you missed the 20-point comeback at Maryland.

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Jan 3, 2022, 9:22 AM

Sorry about that. It was fun!

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Re: Guess you missed the 20-point comeback at Maryland.


Jan 3, 2022, 9:44 AM

The game in college park? I guess you did not see the GT game that followed either. Or how about that Charlotte loss?

Horray? I guess. That was a very inconsistent Maryland. They lost to Ohio and American at home and then they beat No 1 UNC in CH. They were sub 15% from the arc. We should not have dropped that far behind Maryland.

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No. I’m saying

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Jan 3, 2022, 9:47 AM

based on what you told us, you gave up on that game and went to the bar to complain about Tommy Bowden.

I watched all the games. Yes, we lost some of them.

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Re: No. I’m saying


Jan 3, 2022, 10:13 AM

I have never walked out early. But most folks did that was my point. The OP was talking about walking up to Littlejohn during the OP days. I was AT most of those games. The place emptied fairly fast for a more than a few of those games.

How about being ranked No. 10 , up vs Wake and then Jeff Teague ripping the snot out of us. How about the UNC blowout in 2007 when we were 17-1. (played better the next year)

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Ohhhh okay.

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Jan 3, 2022, 10:20 AM

So you were just making incorrect assumptions about other people. Sorry- I misunderstood.

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Re: Ohhhh okay.


Jan 3, 2022, 10:25 AM

Oh, GT got another layup.

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Darn. Well maybe we’ve got an easy one coming up…

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Jan 3, 2022, 11:25 AM

Maybe against Rutgers.

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Re: Guess you missed the 20-point comeback at Maryland.


Jan 3, 2022, 10:46 AM [ in reply to Re: Guess you missed the 20-point comeback at Maryland. ]

FutureDoc said:

The game in college park? I guess you did not see the GT game that followed either. Or how about that Charlotte loss?

Horray? I guess. That was a very inconsistent Maryland. They lost to Ohio and American at home and then they beat No 1 UNC in CH. They were sub 15% from the arc. win should not have dropped that far behind Maryland.




the TO 3 at end win at Maryland clinched an NCAAT bid as were so very close before that game.

You mean losing a game vs UNCC after coming off a heartbreaking loss to UNC in OT at the buzzer that was a war. a game a lot of good teams would lose playing a decent mid-major team off an emotional loss in just a few days.

How about Brad's loses in blow out at Coastal Carolina, Coastal Carolina at home, CofC, Winthrop, Gardner Webb in Over time when Brad called a timeout we didn't have, and Oakland at home in the NIT.

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Re: Guess you missed the 20-point comeback at Maryland.


Jan 3, 2022, 11:05 AM

The 3 did not clinch a NCAA bid. We were already at 9 wins. We would later beat Duke in Tampa.

In NONE of those games were we ranked. Against Charlotte, we were #18 at home. They outplayed us wire-to-wire. It wasn't tired legs. Sorry, if it was a road game against an ACC foe, fine. However ranked vs UNCC at home. Sorry. Nope.

The Coastal team that also beat LSU and was 2nd in the BS? The CofC that also beat Tennessee and nearly knocked off Louisville in their vacated final four season. Here is the trick, rebuilding in the first few seasons is going to have the potential to have stinkers. In "bad" seasons we will have more but we have not had a UNCC style loss. Heck even before the Maryland game we were beaten by a 10 win Virginia team

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Sounds like you’re taking


Jan 3, 2022, 9:55 AM [ in reply to Re: I miss the excitement of waking up on basketball game days ]

Boring basketball and making the tournament a third of the time over exciting basketball and making the tournament about every year. Interesting choice.

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The Brownell fans are interesting.

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Jan 3, 2022, 9:59 AM

They seem to think you can force people into thinking something is exciting.
Not even any kind of masterful marketing can accomplish that over the long haul.

Either it is or it isn’t. And in this case…it isn’t.

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Re: The Brownell fans are interesting.


Jan 3, 2022, 10:01 AM

Why don't you follow Shaka smart or another team that presses... OP pressed and if it works led we ha d a good chance. If it didn't we had no chance. Our half court offense was abysmal under OP.

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Well, mostly because I’m a Clemson grad and I follow Clemson.

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Jan 3, 2022, 10:06 AM

As I was saying…I don’t find it exciting to watch. No one can convince me that it is. I believe my own eyes.

I do not expect an undefeated team.

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Re: Well, mostly because I’m a Clemson grad and I follow Clemson.


Jan 3, 2022, 10:09 AM

Ok, well then quit bitching about it. Brownell has more accomplishments than OP ever had. Brownell has won just as much as OP. You sound like a child.

If you like watching gimmick basketball then that is on you. I bet you were a big fan of Paul johnson's GT teams.

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You’re correct that one of us sounds like a child.***

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Jan 3, 2022, 10:23 AM



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Jan 3, 2022, 10:30 AM

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Totally.

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Re: The Brownell fans are interesting.


Jan 3, 2022, 10:56 AM [ in reply to Re: The Brownell fans are interesting. ]


Why don't you follow Shaka smart or another team that presses... OP pressed and if it works led we ha d a good chance. If it didn't we had no chance. Our half court offense was abysmal under OP.




You mean when we quit pressing at a good team at Virginia Tech battling for an NCAAT bid and we stopped pressing and came from behind and big win after David Potter hit a big shot. KC Rivers had a great game.

We won some good close wins over good teams on the road vs good ACC teams to clinch NCAAT bids those last three years.

Brad also had some good wins on the road the last two NCAAT bid in four years.

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Re: The Brownell fans are interesting.


Jan 3, 2022, 11:22 AM

Yes there were certainly games that were exceptions

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Brownlee fans are like


Jan 3, 2022, 10:44 AM [ in reply to The Brownell fans are interesting. ]

People who want to talk politics at a party. It’s not interesting, we don’t want it, and no matter how many times you tell the same lie or cherry picked stats we aren’t buying. We have eyes. We saw the Purnell years and we have now seen far too many Brownlee years.

Makes me wonder why some people hate Purnell so much and love Brownlee so much. What does that say about them?

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Re: Brownlee fans are like


Jan 3, 2022, 10:56 AM

Weslichick said:

People who want to talk politics at a party. It’s not interesting, we don’t want it, and no matter how many times you tell the same lie or cherry picked stats we aren’t buying. We have eyes. We saw the Purnell years and we have now seen far too many Brownlee years.

Makes me wonder why some people hate Purnell so much and love Brownlee so much. What does that say about them?



When you accuse people of lying, but you say things such as this in the very same thread, you lose credibility.

Purnell made the tournament about every year. He made the tourney less than 50% of the time.

Read more: https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/thread/i-miss-the-excitement-of-waking-up-on-basketball-game-days-2130905?start=30&tstart=0#ixzz7GvJxwas2

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He took over a terrible program


Jan 3, 2022, 11:00 AM

To expect him to make the tournament in his first few years is unrealistic. He made the tournament 3 years in a row and after he left his team was still so talented that they made the tournament even with Brownlee coaching it. Which is saying something bc Brownlee almost never makes the tournament even with his own teams.

So it’s not a lie. Purnell’s teams, that had his actual players, almost always made the tourney. Brownlee’s teams, that had his actual players, almost never make the tourney.

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Brownlee fans are like


Jan 3, 2022, 10:44 AM [ in reply to The Brownell fans are interesting. ]

People who want to talk politics at a party. It’s not interesting, we don’t want it, and no matter how many times you tell the same lie or cherry picked stats we aren’t buying. We have eyes. We saw the Purnell years and we have now seen far too many Brownlee years.

Makes me wonder why some people hate Purnell so much and love Brownlee so much. What does that say about them?

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Re: Sounds like you’re taking


Jan 3, 2022, 10:06 AM [ in reply to Sounds like you’re taking ]

Purnell made the tourney 3 out of 7 years, or 43% of the time. He then proceeded to leave our team in the middle of the night without saying anything to the players. He was a real stand up guy.

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Now we get to the real heart


Jan 3, 2022, 11:03 AM

Of the issue. You’re upset with Purnell over how he dumped you.

That’s fine.

Doesn’t mean you need to go date an ugly Midwest gal who no one likes. Go find someone new.

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Re: Now we get to the real heart


Jan 3, 2022, 12:00 PM

No. I didn't hate OP, but our team peaked with him. Our peak with Purnell was making it to the tourney and losing in the first round.

Our recruiting fell off with him and he saw the writing on the wall and he left. He was going to have a good team the following year, but the year after that our talent level was bad.

People acting like he was an amazing coach need to relax. Literally his only accomplishment was los in the NCAA's. Then he crashed and burned at DePaul.

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Re: Sounds like you’re taking


Jan 3, 2022, 10:23 AM [ in reply to Sounds like you’re taking ]

We made a 3 year run on the back of Trevor Booker - an unknown major NBA talent that chanced into our laps. Even as booker emerged, our team got worse and OP never did better than the sophomore season. OP never managed beyond booker and in-part, when that talent left he left as well.

Next, keep the 13-14 season in mind. We were 20 wins 10-8 in conference (6th of 15 in ACC) and were snubbed from the dance. OP's last season we were 9-7 (6th of 12) and 20 wins and were dancing. Brownell has actually had a as good/better season than all of one OP seasons and NOT danced.

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That’s all fine. Nice analysis.

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Jan 3, 2022, 10:28 AM

But answer this:
Why do you think there seemed to be much more excitement around the program under OP?

Isn’t that what the discussion was supposed to be about? You can quote basketball statistics all day if you want (and make weird claims that he was lucky one of his recruits was really good)…but none of that addresses the issue.

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Re: That’s all fine. Nice analysis.


Jan 3, 2022, 10:33 AM

Grey seats



Those have cut the soul out of littlejohn. Often empty and most folks that would be there are just up in the club area. Even on the ho-hum games. You literally have the "heart" cut out of the place for "premium" folks that either don't show or if they show they are away from the court.

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Interesting take…but okay…

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Jan 3, 2022, 10:51 AM

So the product on the court is lackluster because of a facility renovation that happened a few years ago?

I don’t disagree that the “premium club” seats have been a weird area. I’ve sat there, and had empty seats around me because everyone else was up at the bar. I get it.
But I’m not so sure that’s the problem with the basketball program.

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Re: Interesting take…but okay…


Jan 3, 2022, 11:43 AM

I don't think the product on the court is lack-luster. We are a better product on nearly every level on the court and our record suggests that as we are winning more and more despite mid-power conference teams winning less as a trend.

We are talking about the "excitement" and especially that in littlejohn and I think that the seating reno (not the whole renovation) set us back. We made LJ much more friendly to the premium "wine club" rather than say the "Rick Barnes brawlers". Not saying that the grey seats are a bad experience but that service is rather limited to the complete fan base in general. Clemson vastly ovestimated that (although the finances make sense even if mostly empty). Even on the other side of the court (I am normally there) that perspective always makes the arena feel like it is one of those odd one sided highschool stadiums.

Next, NCAA basketball attendance (2019 - not counting covid etc) as a whole has dropped every year since 2006 (the last posted increase). It isn't just us feeling a slip. The NCAA averages 500 fewer people each game than a decade ago.

Thus by having both fewer people (following NCAA trends, not just our issues) and now catering to the often no-shows, it really makes things feel less exciting. Plus a lot of the fanbase has simply been financially tapped out after January - and I don't complain about that.

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Again, I won’t disagree with everything you’re saying there.

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Jan 3, 2022, 12:19 PM

But back to the original poster’s point…

We’re not even necessarily talking only about the atmosphere inside the building.
I live pretty far away. Still try to make it down for a game or two each season, but mostly it’s TV for me.

I used to be excited in advance to watch the games... even on TV. They were so compelling. It was an event, and I couldn’t wait to see them compete. I’d look forward to it all day.

Nowadays, I’ll watch them…but I look forward to them about the same as I look forward to watching the 6 o’clock news. Like I’ll watch it just to see what happens. But not real excited about it.

I know that’s just me. But pretty sure I’m not the only one.

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Re: Again, I won’t disagree with everything you’re saying there.


Jan 3, 2022, 12:50 PM

So even if we start winning to your standard, you will still not enjoy Clemson basketball because of brownell's style of play?

The last 4 years from brownell has been better than any 4 year stretch with OP.

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Re: Interesting take…but okay…


Jan 3, 2022, 12:03 PM [ in reply to Interesting take…but okay… ]

Why are you saying that our product is lackluster on the court, but it is better now than at any point in the OP era.

Our season last year was better than any season OP had and you hated it.

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Re: Interesting take…but okay…


Jan 3, 2022, 12:51 PM


Why are you saying that our product is lackluster on the court, but it is better now than at any point in the OP era.

Our season last year was better than any season OP had and you hated it.

last season better than any season that mattered under OP?

lol

There were three teams better than that team. The best teams Clemson ever had under Brownell and OP:

Brad's sweet sixteen was #1

but after that

OP's three NCAAT teams were 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.

and Brad's other NCAAT teams were after that.

Id take players like KC Rivers, Trevor Booker, TO, and Sykes were better than any other Brad team except for the sweet sixteen team. All last year had was Simms and some decent defense and that was mainly it.

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Re: Interesting take…but okay…


Jan 3, 2022, 1:15 PM

Yes last year our team had better on court performance than any team under OP.

2020 team
- beat 2 ranked opponents
- .625 conference record
- beat school record 8 NCAA tourney teams


2007 team

- beat 1 ranked opponent (Duke in acc tourney)
- made ACC tourney game
- .625 conference record
- beat 2 NCAA teams. (I could be incorrect)

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Re: Interesting take…but okay…


Jan 3, 2022, 1:30 PM

Add in that last year was perhaps the toughest schedule we faced since the 96/97 season. The 07 campaign was one of the easiest schedules we have ever faced.

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Re: Interesting take…but okay…


Jan 3, 2022, 1:37 PM

FutureDoc said:

Add in that last year was perhaps the toughest schedule we faced since the 96/97 season. The 07 campaign was one of the easiest schedules we have ever faced.



Exactly and if we are just talking about talent on the team, wouldn't that be evidence of OP's team under-performing and BB's team over-performing?

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Re: Interesting take…but okay…


Jan 3, 2022, 2:02 PM [ in reply to Re: Interesting take…but okay… ]

We had more than one. We beat ODU and Purdue who also went to the NCAAT that season. We were a 5 seed and a very strong RPI.

You also have to look at the eye test. I know you weren't big fans of these guys, but Cliff Hammonds, James Mays, KC Rivers, and Trevor Booker were far better than anyone else on that team except Simms and he was at best the 3rd best of those guys. Also had a good bench like Grant and Oglesby. You think Hemenway was better than Oglesby? Lol. Compare their stats.

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Re: Interesting take…but okay…


Jan 3, 2022, 2:53 PM

I loved all those guys. Cliff hammonds was my favorite player his entire career at Clemson.

I would probably take a senior amir Simms over all of them in that season. Maybe not booker.

It seems that you are making the argument that OP did less with more.

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I miss the days of knowing we played on Wed and Sat and


Jan 3, 2022, 10:02 AM

watching or listening to the games. Of course that was the 7 and 8 teams in the conference days. Miss those days, especially having the home & away with every team in the conference.

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Amen! The real ACC. RIP.***


Jan 3, 2022, 10:49 AM



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Never thought about it that way but you're onto something.


Jan 3, 2022, 10:48 AM

Ellis, Barnes, and OP had discernable styles that were fun to watch. Shyatt did not. BB does not.

Thing is, when they hired Brownell, he said he liked to use a motion offense. Well, we kinda have a motion offense, but in my mind I was picturing undersized players making basket cuts and popping wide open threes from 4-point range.

Brownell is a decent coach and when he has a player or two, he can get the most out of them and the team as a whole, but he doesn't have a discernable style that I look forward to seeing game in and game out.

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Re: Never thought about it that way but you're onto something.


Jan 3, 2022, 11:06 AM

CBB and DJ are similar in that they are in the wrong league. They are one notch too high for their capabilities.

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Class of ‘71. Went through “rat season” and glad I did.


Nailed it.***

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Jan 3, 2022, 11:10 AM [ in reply to Never thought about it that way but you're onto something. ]



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Re: I miss the excitement of waking up on basketball game days


Jan 3, 2022, 2:54 PM

Man those teams were amazing.

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Tell 'em u7c coot, no one knows losing better than you


Jan 3, 2022, 3:11 PM

70-56.

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Purnell was in the end analysis, a LOSER! He could have


Jan 9, 2022, 2:39 PM

Made a lasting difference.

He did not though ... end of story.

Move on or risk being a loser yourself.

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