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I'm missing something about this Smollett thing...
Dec 10, 2021, 7:20 AM
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OK, this guy made something up, which was a crime, and he's going to now pay for that crime. Close the book on it. The system worked.
Now, I'm reading an article basically with a list of people who expressed support for him after he did this, and criticizing those people for responding as such. I don't understand why responding with support would be wrong, or something to apologize for, or retract. It'd be different if they accused some individual of a crime, with the person having not been charged/tried. I haven't seen any example of someone calling out a supposed perpetrator of the fake crime.
What's wrong with someone tweeting, after the faked attack, their support for him? They were lied to, by Smollett. The supporter has nothing to apologize for. Smollett certainly does, to those people who tweeted their support.
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Re: I'm missing something about this Smollett thing...
Dec 10, 2021, 7:43 AM
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Because everyone with a brain, knew immediately that it was made up. Elected officials crying on twitter; feigned outrage at anyone in a red hat.
Our President: "What happened today to @JussieSmollett must never be tolerated in this country," President Biden, tweeted in January 2019 when he was mulling a presidential run, "We must stand up and demand that we no longer give this hate safe harbor; that homophobia and racism have no place on our streets or in our hearts. We are with you, Jussie."
Our Vice-President: "This was an attempted modern day lynching. No one should have to fear for their life because of their sexuality or color of their skin. We must confront this hate."
A concerted effort to paint anyone MAGA as Klan. Neither of them could give two shyatts about Smollett, but here comes fake narrative #1,246. It's exhausting.
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Yeah. From what I recall, his story fell apart prettttttty
Dec 10, 2021, 7:48 AM
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quick, and the issue was the Woke Class still were going out of their way to support him and decry the "racists" within the GOP. Like, fell apart where even the most woke should have been a little hesitant to put themselves out there.
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I don't see anything wrong with those statements
Dec 10, 2021, 7:50 AM
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In hindsight, the Smollett case was not an example.
I can't really comment on the part about "anyone with half a brain..." because I don't really remember the circumstances. On the surface, it seems like a lot of pretty smart people thought it was true.
Importantly, and contrary to your point, nowhere in those statements is anything pointing to "MAGA" or a "red hat".
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Re: I don't see anything wrong with those statements
Dec 10, 2021, 7:53 AM
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The perpetrators were "MAGA". Everything in those posts were aimed at them, if you can't see that, then you are media deaf.
Anyway, the "rush to judgement" is the problem. Why make any statement before you know the facts? Next up "NASCAR NOOSE".
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I don't have a problem rushing to a statement of
Dec 10, 2021, 7:55 AM
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support. If there were statements rushing to condemn some individuals, then that's a different story.
I'd rather people be supportive, and find out later that support may have been undeserved, than to miss out on offering support that was legitimately needed.
Again, I don't see "MAGA" in those statements. I'm assuming there are such statements and that you are not making it up. But I haven't seen them. I disagree with those statements, if they exist.
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Re: I don't have a problem rushing to a statement of
Dec 10, 2021, 8:13 AM
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I have no issues either with supporting victims of crimes, but as I said initially; this was obviously made up from minute :01. Only those with something to "gain" were out on Twitter immediately.
The twitter world was insane with MAGA=NAZI, and the dems wanted to capitalize; at the moment it was implied. If you watched the news after Biden's statement, it was "Biden said this today, now how do we stop MAGA?" It was everywhere, and anyone that thinks CNN doesn't take marching orders from the DNC, is a fool.
For the record, I dislike the rush to judgement on either side. Conservatives are guilty of the same. The power of victimhood seems to drive much of the policies on the docket.
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OK
Dec 10, 2021, 8:15 AM
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I'll have to take your word for things I haven't observed and can't really comment on.
I am against anyone saying negative about anyone, if there is no proof of wrongdoing.
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Re: I don't see anything wrong with those statements
Dec 10, 2021, 9:04 AM
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I agree. If it had been true, it would have been quite a story. Smollet was a professional actor and he sold it...for a minute.
What he wasn't was any kind of criminal mastermind and under closer scrutiny his story fell apart.
The system did indeed work. The bigger problem here now is anybody who is legitimately attacked is going to have this example thrown in their faces, and their claim is likely to be met with skepticism thanks to exactly this. Smollett did actual hate-crime victims a massive disservice here thanks to his narcissistic need to be the center of a spectacle. It's exactly the same problem with the gold-diggers who accuse athletes or other major public figures of rape after consensual sex...it completely destroys the cases of those who might have been actually raped. There was one girl who, for instance, accused Trump of ###### her at an Epstein party, but her case didn't hold water and quickly fell apart, it was apparent she was looking for a payday. One also wonders now how many of these Epstein/Maxwell accusers are legit, and how many are looking to cash in...and that's awful, because we know there were plenty of actual victims there.
I'm glad the system is making an example of Smollett. It was necessary and hopefully will deter similar BS in the future.
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Well said.
Dec 10, 2021, 2:27 PM
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The case was handled with fairness to Smollett and the truth. He is going to be punished in some manner for filing a false police report. It's a shame that his punishment won't deter other false accusers from contaminating and diminishing the testimonies of those who suffer similar crimes. I hope his punishment will be considerate of the effect it may have on the innocent.
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Re: I don't see anything wrong with those statements
Dec 11, 2021, 4:18 PM
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You say some intelligent people thought it was true….
I say some people “need” it to be true, They don’t care a thing about Smollet, they want and need it to be true. It validates their narrative. If you are a white (racist) straight (thus homophobic) and you vote republican (MAGA hat) you are the enemy of every decent person in the US, and they need to be placed in positions of power in order to protect you from this greatest threat to Americans safety, this domestic terrorist the white supremacist.
Because of their desire for this to be true, they overlooked every inconsistency in Smollet’s story. They proclaim shock and outrage with little or no evidence because they want and need this to be true.
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Re: I should have linked the article
Dec 10, 2021, 8:35 AM
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Perhaps a better way forward for all would be to preface things with, "IF these allegations are true...."
The Smollett claim smelled from the get go. Chicago a haven for MAGA hat wearing supporters are roaming the streets on a cold ### morning--2AM looking for a black gay man to assault who chose that time of day to walk to buy some eggs. Very believable?
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That's true.***
Dec 10, 2021, 8:37 AM
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Prod - The story was shady. I mean, I recall thinking it was
Dec 10, 2021, 10:06 AM
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a stretch simply because he claimed two white guys recognized him as being an actor on Empire. I don't know any white people, especially those that would wear MAGA hats that even know what the show Empire is/was.
Anyway, the statements could/(should?) have been prefaced with a disclaimer (if these allegations are true...), but I feel like the world of twitter and limited characters make people try to make profound statements on complex issues in as few words as possible. That usually leads to trouble.
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I mean...
Dec 10, 2021, 12:20 PM
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"If the allegations are true...we need to put an end to hateful violence and rhetoric..."
See what I mean? Just because the event turned out to be a hoax doesn't mean that people did a bad thing tweeting laments about violence and hatred.
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I totally get what you are saying.
Dec 10, 2021, 12:41 PM
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It's also why I'm glad I'm not a politician. because they were probably worried that some crazies would persecute them for even IMPLYING that he was lying. That's the problem, I think. Folks on both sides are so BLACK/WHITE (figuratively) that they won't give the other side any credit or benefit of the doubt. it's messed up, IMO.
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I do think it's true that our leaders shouldn't feel
Dec 10, 2021, 12:43 PM
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obligated to comment on everything that happens. I think, in these days of social media and instant news, they do often feel that demand from the populace to say something, even if it's not necessarily worthy of a statement.
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Re: I'm missing something about this Smollett thing...
Dec 10, 2021, 8:56 AM
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tried to start a race war, no big deal
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over state much?
Dec 10, 2021, 10:02 AM
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geez. perhaps you are LOOKING for a race war.
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Re: over state much?
Dec 10, 2021, 12:16 PM
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he could have gotten folks killed, however even the rioters knew it was BS lol
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Because his story wasn't even in the realm of believability
Dec 10, 2021, 10:26 AM
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It was obvious it was all made up from the get go. You would have to completely ignore every detail of the story in order to come away thinking it actually happened.
If a coworker came back on Monday and said that Blackbeard himself boarded their pontoon on Lake Murray and they fended him off in a sword fight, wouldn't you think people who legitimately believed that happened were ridiculous?
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Re: I'm missing something about this Smollett thing...
Dec 10, 2021, 10:29 AM
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TheProdigal This post is EXACTLY the definition of a liberal living in the echo chamber.
Firstly, Keowee is 100% correct - just ingest a few facts of the story and within 30 seconds it is obvious to anyone with half a brain the story was made up. Exact same situation with the Duke Lacrosse case years ago (I live in Raleigh so went through it locally).
What is so sad and so typical about this story is it shows in spades how fake and disingenuous the entire leftist/progressive movement is. The left is so blinded by their disdain over what the echo chamber tells them people like me are like (super racist, just ask Cat, as are any white people, all of whom could have attacked Jussie).
You have all these "famous" people who influence all you sheep out there jumping up on their high horse about this chit when NONE OF IT WAS TRUE which should have been obvious.
DITTO for the Russian Hoax and Steele Dossier. These are not trivial examples of minor errors on the parts of a few meaningless people. These are leaders of our country standing up making speeches, making incorrect conclusions, stating incorrect "facts" over and over again.
The fact that you do not get this is a big problem.
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I am a staunch conservative, sir.
Dec 10, 2021, 12:12 PM
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Never voted for a Democrat or any other liberal in my life.
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The reason I didn't originally link the story
Dec 10, 2021, 12:17 PM
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is because the story framed it as a ideological/party issue, while I wanted to discuss it separate from that framework. What I posted, I believe has nothing to do with political parties or ideologies.
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Re: I'm missing something about this Smollett thing...
Dec 10, 2021, 12:34 PM
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Re: I'm missing something about this Smollett thing...
Dec 10, 2021, 12:39 PM
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The story was that he went to subway and 2 rednecks with maga hats called him a fa*** ni*** and said that it was maga country. They then tied a noose around his neck and then poured bleach on him.
The people that believed this to be true at any point are complete idiots. It's the same people that believe anything that made trump or his supporters look bad.
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I guess more are focused on whether the people expressing
Dec 10, 2021, 12:41 PM
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support for him were stupid or not. I guess that's an interesting debate, but it's not really the focus of my post.
I was really focused not on whether they were stupid for believing, but whether they were wrong for saying what they said, to the point of needing to apologize or retract.
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Re: I guess more are focused on whether the people expressing
Dec 10, 2021, 12:57 PM
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This is what makes me think we're talking about two
Dec 10, 2021, 1:05 PM
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different things. I think that's actually the source of disagreement in this thread.
I'm talking about people tweeting things like "What a terrible thing that happened. This kind of violence has no place in America."
It seems a lot of people are reacting to people saying things like "this is Trump's fault", "MAGA did this," etc. I haven't seen any such tweets, and I disagree with whomever was talking like that.
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Re: This is what makes me think we're talking about two
Dec 10, 2021, 1:34 PM
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The accusation was literally "maga did this". the event described trump supporters in maga hats saying this is maga country and the beat up jussie.
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You mean from Smollett himself?
Dec 10, 2021, 1:37 PM
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Or from people commenting on it?
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Re: You mean from Smollett himself?
Dec 10, 2021, 2:09 PM
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Don't see it in those tweets.***
Dec 10, 2021, 2:16 PM
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Re: Don't see it in those tweets.***
Dec 10, 2021, 2:27 PM
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Well, motive matters.
Dec 10, 2021, 2:52 PM
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If you're just making a statement for political purposes, then that's the wrong motive.
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Re: Well, motive matters.
Dec 10, 2021, 3:13 PM
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Re: Well, motive matters.
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Just think about this. Would it have been reported the same way if the "attacker was black, or even white and just didn't yell racial slurs?
This got more publicity than the racially motivated waukesha incident where a man plowed through people at a Christmas parade killing 6
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Re: Well, motive matters.
Dec 11, 2021, 10:39 AM
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A true leader, which Biden and Harris are not, should publicly state they were wrong and politicians and the media should all stop jumping to conclusions and stoking division at the same time.
This should be used as an example - learn the lesson from what happened and improve.
With that said, we know Trump would never admit he was wrong either, but I do think he would encourage calm and analysis before angry conclusions.
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It’s just all too typical for MSM these days.
Dec 11, 2021, 5:30 PM
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There is nothing wrong with supporting a victim- to your point.
The problem is this is the MO of what we are being fed over the past decade in MSM.
It comes in many forms, but the follow up is always- well folks, this wasn’t what we thought, but America is still racist and homophobic and xenophobic etc etc etc.
So in essence with a story this blatantly false it showed the true colors of all the lying parties that are not even trying to give you an accurate response- almost everyone who jumped on this train is a sellout to their cause and cannot be trusted. They would rather see innocent people fry than take one step backwards politically.
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