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Bias, Benifit Otd, or...
Dec 2, 2021, 8:39 AM
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Something else. I see everyone saying Bama is a top 10 team, and with a win over Ga Saturday, this post won't age well. But what Bama is a top 10 team? The one that struggled with a florida team that lost to SCAR? The Bama That nearly lost to the Auburn team that lost to SCAR? The Bama that squeaked out a win against a bad LSU team? The team that struggled to beat a mediocre Arkansas team? or the team that lost to a mediocre Arkansas team? Their 1 good win is Ole Miss. I don't see it this year. They have had the benefit of the doubt of playing a weak schedule this year. So how are they ranked ahead of OKST ND, and Cincy (who has just as many top 10 wins as Bama)?
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Now THIS is a beautiful Mane Bored Poast
Dec 2, 2021, 8:46 AM
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Because...
Dec 2, 2021, 8:55 AM
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the whole "style points" and "eye test" bu!!$#!7 clearly does not apply to everyone fairly and consistently.
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They are 11-1 ... who do you think should be ranked ahead of
Dec 2, 2021, 9:01 AM
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them?
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Every other team in the country...
Dec 2, 2021, 9:15 AM
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drops in the rankings following ugly wins against inferior opponents. Every team but Bama that is.
Admittedly, I don't agree with this methodology but that is the system they've created and it should apply to all teams fairly and consistently, but clearly it doesn't.
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Re: Every other team in the country...
Dec 2, 2021, 9:31 AM
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You realize Bama was ranked #2 before their game with Arkansas right? Also, it's a bit dramatic to say every single other team drops in the rankings after ugly wins every single time, don't you think? You don't have to go back far to see Michigan ranked #6 and beating unranked Penn State by 4 points and remaining at #6 in the rankings the following week.
Teams don't usually drop in the rankings based on one single ugly win or for that reason alone. It's typically coupled with impressive wins by teams behind them in the rankings. Does Bama get some bias based on people assuming they're great based on past results? I'm sure they do, but it's not some grand conspiracy like some of you want it to be. Actually go through the schedule and results of the teams ranked behind Bama and tell me you can honestly say any of those teams are getting screwed.
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Bama struggled with Arky, Florida, LSU and Auburn...
Dec 2, 2021, 9:38 AM
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yet here they are sitting at No. 3.
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Re: They are 11-1 ... who do you think should be ranked ahead of
Dec 2, 2021, 9:18 AM
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Okie State for 1, they have 2 top 10 wins to Bamas 1, the losses to ISU and ATM are a wash. Granted I will give you they are 11-1 and should be ranked at least in the top 7, but as the previous poster stated the eye test is not the same for all teams. Its like they say every year leading up to the selection show, is the the 4 most deserving (which at this point alabama is) or the 4 best teams. I think based on on the field performance bama is not one of the 4 best teams. This is not the Alabama that has previously fielded elite teams, I would match them up with anyone in the top 14 and would bet they would go 7-7 based on what i have seen from them this season. Of course this is all speculation, and like i said if they beat GA Saturday i have no problem being wrong. I put this up there with our 2017 team, I believe we were one of the most deserving but I don't and never have believed we were one of the best 4 that year.
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Re: They are 11-1 ... who do you think should be ranked ahead of
Dec 2, 2021, 9:23 AM
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If you're holding close wins by Bama over Florida, Arkansas, and Auburn against them, then why aren't you holding it against Oklahoma State that they beat Missouri State by 7, Tulsa by 5, Boise by 1, and Texas by 8? That's a Texas team btw that lost by 19 points to the same Arkansas team you're using to make your point of how Bama shouldn't be ranked ahead of Oklahoma State.
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Re: They are 11-1 ... who do you think should be ranked ahead of
Dec 2, 2021, 9:41 AM
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Fair enough, i guess i am looking at the most recent performances more than anything else, which the committee is what is supposed to happen with the committee. And a win over a top 10 OKla was more impressive than the win over auburn. Since their loss to ISU their average margin of victory has been 29.5 Alabama's in the last 5 games has been 20. With the only ranked teams either played were Arkansas at 23 and Oklahoma at 10. Again, I agree that they deserve to be ranked in the top5-7. But I agree with BigCU that we and other teams have been punished in the past for ugly wins, but there seems to be a different baseline for Bama. An example is when we beat Cuse with Chase Brice, our 3rd stringer the week before, the committee dropped us from 3-4, not a big deal but a drop none the less.
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Re: They are 11-1 ... who do you think should be ranked ahead of
Dec 2, 2021, 9:52 AM
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I think it's always important to look at what else is going on to impact the rankings. You're right in that we dropped from #3 down to #4 after beating Syracuse that year. However, Ohio State was the team that jumped us and they had beaten #9 Penn State on the road that same week. That was after Ohio State had beaten #15 TCU 2 weeks before that while we had no wins over any top 25 teams at that point in the season.
I'm not saying the rankings are always fair(like 1 fewer loss or not, how can they have Wake ahead of us right now after our beatdown over them?) but I don't think it's as simple as "team not named Bama didn't win by enough so let's drop them down."
Just to be clear again. I don't think Bama is very good this year, at least not when comparing them to what we usually see from them. I just don't think any other team behind them is clearly better based on the resume of those teams. Usually Bama is untouchable aside from a team like Clemson or LSU putting together a special season, and I certainly don't think that's the case this year. In the past I'd tell you Bama would go out and beat Oklahoma State, Cincy, or ND by 20+ points and I'd say that with a lot of confidence. This year I'd probably pick Bama to win against those 3, but I wouldn't pick it to be in a blowout, and wouldn't be stunned if Bama lost to any of them.
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They still won all those games. They take every teams
Dec 2, 2021, 9:09 AM
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absolute best shot, weak in and weak out. 99% of the time, they win. They slipped against A&M and I don't see them beating UGa, but they might. Saban will have them ready, but I think Georgia is just too good this year.
Who else should be that high? Not us, when it counted, we lost.
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Man my cousins got this Al Gore rhythm that he invented
Dec 2, 2021, 9:17 AM
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And it says if you factor in injuries and heart and love in the locker room and Will Swinney catches over Dwight Clark, we should be no worse than #3.
The whole universe is rigged against Clemson.
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I think you're joking but your not wrong.
Dec 2, 2021, 9:33 AM
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TE took a lot of flax earlier in the year but the last few weeks epsecially last week proved that these were just sour grapes and maybe even al ittle racism against our OC. I'm not political so I don't want to get into it but that's just what I think.
But we were never anunraked team execpt to the national media. We had far too much talent and look TE took us to nattys before so what changed? Nothing except some yips in the offense that we finally worked out. IMO if the playoff committee wasn't so biased against Clemson and understood that our losses don't relfect our true strength we should DEFINITELY be considred for a playoff spot or at least a NY6 bowl. We have the talent, just not the Ws right now and that's unfair. The Playoff committeee has said all along it's not just about some BCS win/loss algortihgm but about accurately measuring teams via human sniff tests. So...time for them to put their money where their mouths are.
I'd take alabama in a heartbeat right now. I'd even take Goergia again. We'd beat them both even with DJ in a walking boot. But SEC bias and what not.
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Re: Bias, Benifit Otd, or...
Dec 2, 2021, 9:37 AM
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I agree that Bama doesn't appear nearly as good as they've been in recent years. However, I think this is another case of looking at their results and concluding they're overrated or as you say aren't a top 10 team while not thinking much about the other teams you feel should make up the top 10. Every team behind them other than Cincy has at least 1 loss, and every team ranked 7-10 has 2 losses. Even further, if you were to look at the schedule for the other top 10 teams you're likely to find some ugly wins as well while also struggling to find more than 1 or 2 quality wins. It's for this reason I'm not in favor of expanding the playoffs.
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Re: Bias, Benifit Otd, or...
Dec 2, 2021, 9:45 AM
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Agree, I think they are one of the 4-7 most deserving teams, what we hear every year, most deserving vs best team. I don't think they are one of the best teams (no one solicited my opinions which is why i am discussing on a message board for free and not getting paid a high salary for my wisdom lol).
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Re: Bias, Benifit Otd, or...
Dec 2, 2021, 9:59 AM
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I just don't think there's a truly great team this year aside from maybe Georgia and it's really hard to say how great they are since the really haven't been tested this year aside from our defense. Makes it suck all that much more that we had such a down year on offense. Would've been nice to have had a team like we had in 2019 in a year like this instead of coming across that once in a lifetime LSU team.
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Re: Bias, Benifit Otd, or...
Dec 2, 2021, 10:03 AM
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Well and to pretty much solve my own argument, if bama loses to Ga and OKS beats Baylor, and Mich and Cincy both take care of business, i don't think there will be much chaos, because the final rankings are all that matter. The playoff will have the parody that i think the rest of the country has been wishing for with GA being the only team in that 4 who has been in before.
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Re: Bias, Benifit Otd, or...
Dec 2, 2021, 10:02 AM
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We struggled with almost every FCS team we played. Every team was inferior to us. If we somehow had pulled out the wins vs Nancy and Pitt, we would be ranked in the top four. You’ve watched all year long, are we a top 4 team?
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Re: Bias, Benifit Otd, or...
Dec 2, 2021, 10:13 AM
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Would we though? Look how long it took us to crack back into the top 25 when we had the same amount of losses as Kenn, Ark, and ATM and i don't think any of them ever dropped out of the top 25 for more than a week. And you are correct we are not a top 4 team even had we won those games.
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