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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jun 30, 2022, 1:46 PM
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Did he cry?
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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jun 30, 2022, 2:20 PM
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Who do you believe is correct on this, LB or AK?
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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jun 30, 2022, 2:23 PM
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I was only making a comment on how ridiculously emotional our political climate has become.
From all sides.
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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jul 2, 2022, 1:04 AM
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That cat can cry all he wants. He is fine!!!!
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Show of hands:
Jun 30, 2022, 1:46 PM
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how many of our regular posters agree with Boebert's statement?
Don't be shy. I 100% certain the number is > 0.
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Re: Show of hands:
Jun 30, 2022, 1:56 PM
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Congress shall pass no laws regarding the establishment of religion - nothing more and nothing less.
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Re: Show of hands:
Jun 30, 2022, 1:58 PM
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So no. A church should not be directing the government.
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Hell, some think there already isn't a separation
Jun 30, 2022, 2:04 PM
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That we were somehow founded on Christian principles (we weren't) and that creating such separation somehow infringes on their rights.
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Re: Hell, some think there already isn't a separation
Jun 30, 2022, 2:19 PM
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I bet the next thing you are going to tell me is some jumbo jumbo that God wasn’t added to The Pledge of Allegiance until 1954 as a response to fear of them communists.
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If we were founded on Enlightenment philosophy (we were)
Jun 30, 2022, 3:48 PM
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we were founded on the most fundamental Christian principle there is. The Declaration refers to Locke for a reason.
That doesn't mean I dont agree with Kinz, or that religious totalitarians dont exist in all religions including Christianity, or that many Christians haven't lost sight of what society's role is to the individual. All that is regrettably the case. But the way to convince Christians of this is not by denying the known beliefs and purposes of the founders.
The way to do that is to instead examine what those purposes actually were. Were they to establish govt-by-Christianity? No. There is no such thing as Christian music, a Christian business or Christian government. There is, however, an understanding of the nature of truth and the relationship of the individual to it, and thus society to the individual. The left no longer actually wants this, and neither does much of Christianity, let alone the right.
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Re: TheOatmeal has a good one on this:
Jun 30, 2022, 2:33 PM
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"Every time someone has homosexual intercourse, God punishes us by letting Nickelback release another album."
LOL.
Okay.
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That's not true. If it was, Nickleback would release a
Jul 1, 2022, 12:13 PM
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dozen albums at every one of Crulez's dude brunch.
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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jun 30, 2022, 2:08 PM
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Oh yeah - Episcopalians down the street have the infidels lined up, getting ready to shoot them.
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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jun 30, 2022, 2:46 PM
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Yep, everyone I go into a crowded place I worry there’s some radical Episcopalian with a bomb strapped to his chest. Scary bunch!!
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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jun 30, 2022, 5:03 PM
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In Texas, there's a chance the entire congregation will get wiped out with an AR-15.
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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jun 30, 2022, 5:04 PM
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In my church there’s a pretty good chance the shooter becomes the “shootee”.
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In her defense, she was probably referring to incorporating
Sep 29, 2021, 6:09 PM
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tenets of Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and Sikhism into our government.
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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jun 30, 2022, 2:44 PM
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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jun 30, 2022, 3:03 PM
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What reason do you consider him a POS other than he crossed DADDY?
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Other than Kinzinger taking issue with Trump post-election..
Jun 30, 2022, 3:07 PM
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why exactly is he a POS.
And he was responding to specific remarks by Boebert which were not just about expressing religion in public.
This is a direct quote from her speech at Cornerstone.
“The reason we had so many overreaching regulations is because the church complied,” she said. “The church is supposed to direct the government. The government is not supposed to direct the church. That is not how our Founding Fathers intended it.”
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“I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk — that’s not in the Constitution. It was in a stinking letter and it means nothing like they say it does,”
Do you agree with her statement on the church is supposed to direct the government?
I agree with the recent SCOTUS ruling on religious expression...I wouldn't be surprised if Kinzinger did too.
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Paging T3Tiger...do you agree with her?***
Jul 1, 2022, 9:26 AM
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Re: Paging T3Tiger...do you agree with her?***
Jul 1, 2022, 12:41 PM
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I think you might be being generous with...
Jul 1, 2022, 12:57 PM
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what you think she means.
I will agree that the "separation of church and state" is a misapplied concept. But I don't agree that the Church should direct the government...at least not in the context of how she used it in he speech/sermon. It's available on youtube if you want to watch.
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Re: I think you might be being generous with...
Jul 1, 2022, 2:38 PM
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Re: I think you might be being generous with...
Jul 1, 2022, 4:24 PM
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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jun 30, 2022, 3:18 PM
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At least you’ve finally embraced your inner Christofascism…under his eye.
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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jun 30, 2022, 4:54 PM
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Blessed Be the Fruit
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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jun 30, 2022, 6:31 PM
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Reckon why that’s not clear enough for the lefties?
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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jul 1, 2022, 2:49 PM
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Separation means a religion is not intertwined or favored in government establishments (see the Lemon test) but lately there has been a strong attempt to change that.
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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jul 1, 2022, 3:25 PM
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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jul 1, 2022, 4:19 PM
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In the case of the coach. I don’t think the issue was that he prayed, but that he chose to make a spectacle of it…to be noticed by others. He was exercising his freedom of religion in a way that might compel those under his authority to take part.
It’s only a short distance from ruling in favor of the coach to ruling in favor of a teacher praying openly in her classroom…to public monies being used for religious schools (which just happened)…Do you think those things are allowed (or should be) under the 1A? If so, why do you think these are not violations of the establishment clause?
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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jul 1, 2022, 4:22 PM
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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jul 1, 2022, 4:55 PM
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The football field in this case is still on the grounds of a secular (or should be) institution. I think the school was actually being generous/accommodating to the coach and look what it got them. I don’t think the school prayer cases will be far behind.
As to the school funding question…the State of Maine started the program in an attempt to provide more educational opportunity for kids in really rural areas. The State wasn’t discriminating against private religious schools, it was trying to make make sure its rural population had some public education options. Hopefully, this is just a narrow ruling that won’t affect other state’s…most of which strictly prohibit the use of public funds for religious schools. I honestly think that’s wishful thinking and in a few years we will all be using state funds for vouchers to pay tuition at private religious schools.
The end result (or ultimate resort), I think the court has effectively made separation of church and state UNconstitutional. I guess we will see what happens, but let’s revisit this when/if any of these things come to pass and see what the impact of these recent rulings really is.
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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jul 1, 2022, 5:09 PM
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Re: The Christian Taliban
Jul 2, 2022, 3:55 AM
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A lot of people like to twist the first amendment into something they want it to be. Something that is well beyond and outside the actual text. I think the days of the Supreme Court perverting the Constitution, to legislate from the bench, are over. If leftists want to push their agenda through, it will ultimately have to be of the people.
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Re: See Lemon v. Kurtzman, 1971***
Jul 2, 2022, 4:06 AM
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The "Establishment Clause" - probably the term that has been used the most to pervert the Constitution.
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Would love to hear a detailed explanation
Jul 2, 2022, 8:06 PM
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Please no, "LOL how could you not know this and see this?" type of responses. Specific and intelligent examples, please.
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Re: Would love to hear a detailed explanation
Jul 3, 2022, 10:12 AM
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Firstly, and most apparently, an entire anti-religious legal philosophy has been created out of a clause - not the reading of an entire amendment, and not an entire sentence but a clause.
First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America (the terms First Amendment and the Constitution of the United States of America shall be referred to as 1A and the constitution, respectively) - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
Beyond the above, the only other time religion is mentioned in the constitution is in Article IV. This is related to religious tests for public office.
Secondly, let’s examine your example of the Lemon vs Kurtzman case. From this case came the “Lemon Test” of the “Establishment Clause” – actually it was a refinement of Waltz vs. NYC Tax Commission, from the previous year. The court asserted a 3 pronged test of a violation of the “Establishment Clause”: 1) Have a secular or non religious purpose 2) Does not advance or inhibit a religion 3) Does not promote an extreme entanglement with religion on the part of the government. The points of this test are not law and are certainly not part of the basic language of the First Amendment. There was a leap to get to those ideas, and in my opinion a perversion of the text and the meaning of 1A. Now, it’s not only my opinion but also the opinion of different justices and of different courts throughout the years. As Scalia said of the “Lemon Test”, “some ghoul in a late-night horror movie that repeatedly sits up in its grave and shuffles abroad, Lemon stalks our Establishment Clause jurisprudence once again, frightening little children and school attorneys. . .”
Thirdly, let’s take a quick look at the 1st amendment, regarding the establishment of religion and why it is important that Congress make no laws with respect to it. Overarching, this idea of religious establishment is the fact that the colonies (that eventually formed the US) separated from England, in which state and church were one. Then and still now, the head monarch is the head of the church in England (now UK). After the Revolution (Happy Independence Day, by the way), there became widespread agreement, by our leaders, that there should be no nationally established Church. This clause was meant to guard against the establishment of a national church in the US. It wasn’t intended to block a football coach from saying a prayer, forcing someone to create something that is against their religion, or even denying someone the right to express their religious opinion (even in Congress).
Finally, the basic language. “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion…”. Anything beyond that, does not come from our founding legal document. Anything beyond that, regardless of how educated the opinion is, is made up. And, at many times has been used to pervert the actual words of the first amendment.
Works Cited – The First Amendment Encyclopedia, MTSR.EDU; Interactive Constitution, ConstitutionCenter.org; Lemon Test, LegalDictionary.net
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I didn't see a link to her quotes or speech to give context
Jul 3, 2022, 4:35 AM
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The only quotes they give are "tired" and "Junk". Just those two works along with their interpretation of what she said.
Pretty typical for our media.
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