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Orange Blooded [2989]
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Just because adding teams to the Big 12 is best for them
May 20, 2012, 8:14 PM
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doesn't mean it's necessarily best for Clemson or FSU in the long run. Just saying.
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Maybe not, but it's also become clear that the ACC
May 20, 2012, 8:16 PM
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has no long term.
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In football.
May 20, 2012, 8:29 PM
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Great for the basketball schools.
I say let them have it.
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that is not clear at all too me. I don't see Notre Dame
May 20, 2012, 9:03 PM
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joining a conference. I think the ACC, Notre Dame and the big east could cut an a bowl game arrangement. Notre Dame is still a very attractive bowl team, even when they are mediocre. Let the Orange Bowl pick which two teams they want each year from the ACC, Big East and ND.
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The mistake a lot of Clemson fans are making is assuming
May 20, 2012, 8:17 PM
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the future ACC will be similar to the old ACC. It will not. It will be more in line with Conference USA as it relates to major football.
There is no way staying in the ACC will be a good thing for Clemson.
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Orange Blooded [2989]
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Clemson, FSU, Miami, & even VT will never be considered
May 20, 2012, 8:34 PM
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close to Conference USA. Come on...
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what do you think of uva? serious question.***
May 20, 2012, 8:45 PM
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I think they beat FSU last year.
May 20, 2012, 9:07 PM
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UVA has struggled recently, but they have shown committment to sports in the past. In the mid 90's they were darn good. They have expanded their stadium. They just need the right coach.
Everybody counted their baseball team out - They were going to drop baseball. All of a sudden, they are a decent ball club. It will be harder to replicate in football, but UVA can improve.
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that they did. george welsh retired as the winningest
May 20, 2012, 9:13 PM
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football coach in the history of the acc; bobby bowden later edged him out.
welsh's cavaliers were the first to knock off fsu in the acc. i was at that game in charlottesville, they eventually went to number 1 in the land.
welsh retired with a winning record against beamer, but moved on because of health issues. the talent they put out rivals most in the acc.
the went and hired the frickin head coach of the NY fricking Jets. i doubt clemson could do that.
look how quickly that team fell into oblivion and people wonder if vpi could fail overnight in a conference usa setting?
you know they can.
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its all about the coach.***
May 20, 2012, 9:17 PM
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yeps. i agree.***
May 20, 2012, 9:23 PM
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lol...
May 20, 2012, 9:21 PM
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well there's that.
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How many BCS games have been won between those schools?
May 20, 2012, 8:48 PM
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Since the BCS started?
You don't think those schools could ever be Conference USA material? Let the expansion move forward w/o them and it will be their fate. No stopping it.
How many recruits do you think they will be able to get when the recruit knows a BCS Championship cannot be played for by going to those schools?
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FSU ain't going to the big 12. If the SEC changed their
May 20, 2012, 9:20 PM
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mind and selected FSU, it would blow up the ACC. Unless the SEC takes FSU, we will remain in the ACC along with FSU.
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Actually, I think too much has happened for either FSU or CU
May 21, 2012, 7:21 AM
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to remain in the ACC. Swofturd will never, I repeat, NEVER, give in to demands for increased revenue. It's over.
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I respect your opinion... but can you give me one reason
May 20, 2012, 8:18 PM
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not moving would be beneficial?
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I think there's two separate questions
May 20, 2012, 8:27 PM
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one is what is the best financial decision. If the decision is wether or not to get an extra 3M theoritcal dollars per year vs. paying a 20M acc exit fee then it's probably better to go to the big XII.
I think there are concerns about maintaining rivalries, academic reputation, and the ability for fans to travel to away games. Based on the poll posted earlier it looks like people are split about evenly about whether they want to go without FSU. Another significant chunk of people (myself included) would like to see one more acc team go with us.
Ultimately, I think money will end up driving the decision, so if we are invited, I imagine we'll go.
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Re: Swofford doesn't play football on Saturdays, & won't live
May 20, 2012, 8:55 PM
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Don't you understand they are counting on basketball and could care less about football.
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one! w/ the pac/big and sec/b12 marriages in bowl games....
May 20, 2012, 8:40 PM
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there is a very good chance an underdog may beat a favorite in these bowl games and as undefeated acc champ we could sneak right into a plus one game. we can win a NC thru attrition!!!!! we will just need a LITTLE help.LOL......yes i am joking. get off the titanic now!!!!!!
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No problem. Here you go...
May 20, 2012, 9:19 PM
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You're looking (and apparently, Tech is also at least talking about) to join a conference that's basically run by Texas. Think of the NC4, multiply that by 1,000,000 and then cube it. That's the hassle factor you'll get by working with Texas.
You will not be on a level playing field in that conference. There's just no way. It's much worse of a disparity with Texas (and probably Oklahoma) than anything in the ACC.
After Texas and OU, there's a large dropoff in quality of football out there. It's not a good, deep football conference. The ACC has more potential depth in football than the B12, even though we haven't tapped that in the last decade or so.
You still have the danger of a few of those teams bolting for the Pac-12. It probably won't happen. But it almost happened 2 years in a row. You can't rule it out.
The B12 contract is not signed. At this point, you don't know the money difference.
You also don't know the form of the playoff. The ACC should be one of the conferences that feeds the playoff. I believe that should make some people pause before jumping.
And yes, geographically, the ACC is better. Not to mention other sports will do better in the ACC.
I could bring up academics. But for now, let's just keep it with what I've mentioned above. There are many reasons to think twice before going to the Big 12.
Having said that, I can see that Clemson, FSU, Miami, VT, Tech, et al are a little on edge right now - we've got a situation where one school leaving could create a run on the bank. So, Clemson needs to know its options. But I think they should look before they leap.
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You need to read up on the Tier 3 money and other stuff
May 20, 2012, 9:28 PM
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out there. Beacuse they are saying 10 million more a year no matter what the contract is. What has Texas down in the past few years even with all the advantages you say they have? Barnes has kept the program competitive but Kansas still goes out and wins every year and Baylor right now is better than Texas in football although that could change anytime.
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I don't think the "level playing field" would get worse
May 20, 2012, 9:31 PM
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In that regard, you're danged if you do and you're danged if you don't. We might as well make more money while we're at it.
P.S. if we're talking about a level playing field, the last people I would want advice from is GT. How's that 2009 ACC Championship treating you these days?
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Orange Blooded [2005]
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Here's the deal:
May 20, 2012, 9:35 PM
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If Texas is clicking on all cylinders, you're toast. They make a lot more money than you will, and don't have to share all of it. You'll be at the mercy of whether or not their "act" is together.
Now, to be fair, every conference has some of that. IN the ACC, FSU has the highest potential, IMO, based on the available recruiting in their state. But I don't think there's as much disparity there as you could potentially get with Texas (and OU).
I could be wrong. But that's how I see it.
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Or, there's option B, where Clemson goes to the B12
May 20, 2012, 9:53 PM
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and makes more money, which helps us continue our recruiting success, and even helps us improve our recruiting. We then become a power within that conference and don't give a rat's a$$ about what Texas is doing.
Personally, I don't like the fact that our rival is making exponentially more money than we are. But you seem to be ok with that. And I think I know what the difference is. You see, at Clemson we're not really used to getting beat every year by our rival. Our record against USuCk resembles UGA's record against GT. Therefore, this whole losing to our rival is new territory for us, and we don't like it. Right now, more money would go a long way towards setting things right.
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I'm talking about in-conference...
May 20, 2012, 9:59 PM
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I'm making a valid argument that entering into a conference with Texas will put you at a competitive disadvantage INSIDE the Conference. What it does with South Carolina, I honestly don't know or care. I have no idea of what they take in compared to Clemson. But I figure your 3-game losing streak has more to do with coaching than it does with the ACC/SEC thing. For the first 17 years they were in the SEC, you guys dominated them. This may just be a random fluctuation. If you play someone for over 100 years, these kinds of streaks happen. One thing I don't believe is that Clemson is at a structural disadvantage with SC.
As for Tech/UGA, I'll leave that alone for now. You don't know what I think about that, because I haven't posted on that. Don't put words in my mouth.
As for Tech
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You seem to be advocating for staying in the ACC, that would
May 21, 2012, 9:14 AM
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suggest you are advocating for less money.
If you don't know what USuCk is taking in, then you're not paying attention to college football, because all SEC teams are raking it in. And yes we dominated them for 100 years. But then the SEC went on a NC winning streak and now every SEC team is making a killing. So things change. If Clemson stays in the ACC, we will fall behind financially to teams in the SEC, B12, B10, etc. The new TV contract is a joke.
If we want to compete year in year out on a national level, then we need to make the move.
And if you don't think that's true, then stay back in the ACC and see what happens. Maybe your arrogant a-hole of a football coach will help keep your program in that sinking ship.
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Leave the insults out of this...
May 21, 2012, 10:11 AM
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Seriously, look at what York asked above. He was posting as if there are no reasons at all to stay in the ACC, and challenged people to come up with one. Well, I did. There are reasons that should make you think twice about the Big 12.
That's not the same as saying that Clemson shouldn't go to the Big 12. I'm just saying that when you go there, if you go there, know what you're getting into. It won't be all good in that conference. The Big 12 is just not as good a conference as the SEC or the Big 10 in terms of stability and having everyone on the same page. That doesn't mean you shouldn't go. But you should think twice.
But hey, if FSU leaps, then you might not have a choice. Same goes for Tech. If you guys and FSU leap over, then we've got to protect ourselves, too.
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When it comes to Paul Johnson, and posting on a Clemson
May 21, 2012, 1:57 PM
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board, insults are perfectly fine. The guy is a pompous a$$. And you won't find too many Clemson fans who disagree with me. And believe me, if I wanted to use actual insults I have plenty of material on GT fans that I have had to encounter over the years, including a guy who got arrested at DV for peeing on Clemson fans in the stadium bleachers. But I'll just stick to talking about your coach. Ok?
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Whatever you say...
May 21, 2012, 7:38 PM
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Is this how you post? If someone happens to disagree with you, you change the subject, slam their coach and their fans? I'll take that tactic as an admission that you've lost the debate.
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Re: No problem. Here you go...
May 20, 2012, 9:33 PM
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I'm not ecstatic about the political situation regarding Texas but at least they are pulling strings for football reasons.
The problem with Tobacco Road isn't their power, it's that they use it to promote an entirely different sport than the rest of the conference wants.
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not a chanced***
May 20, 2012, 9:41 PM
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With all due respect....
May 20, 2012, 8:22 PM
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I challenge you to identify one legitimately good reason why Clemson should remain in the ACC if given the opportunity to leave for the Big XII.
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Re: With all due respect....
May 20, 2012, 8:33 PM
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Here are some logical reasons:
1) Fans lose: Clemson fans are abundant in CLT and ATL. I for one am from Atlanta and have moved to North Carolina. I look forward to going to see Clemson play UNC, Duke, Wake, NCSU, and I grew up watching us play GT. I don't think there are a ton of fans in Oklahoma who are looking forward seeing Clemson come to town. Going to CLT for the title game, try Dallas. I'm not going to that.
2) We finally got to the top: We have complained about the ACC being weak, but it's not like we're dominant. We're at best the second best program in the conference. We finally climbed to the top and now we're going to leave? We have one title in the "WEAK" ACC, why do you think we can win the strong Big 12? Texas will destroy us once they recover. Oklahoma and OSU will roll over us. Our defense has no shot of stopping these big time spread offenses. We will be 7-5 every year. Texas Tech is the UNC of the conference, and let me tell you, they're way better than UNC. We went 1-1 in our last home-road with UNC. Hope we can do that against TX Tech. Winning was fun, let's keep doing it.
Other Sports: Baseball and Basketball are way weaker in the Big 12. Not only that but we're gonna make our volleyball players fly to Texas? That sounds fun. That sounds like they'll want to come to school in South Carolina and fly to Texas for their road games. What a great college experience.
Recruiting: You may be tempted to say that we'll recruit better if we're in a better conference, but do you think they best players in South Carolina are going to want to go to a school in the second best conference and fly to Texas where their parents will never see them play on the road or to a school that has beat us three year in a row, has a local tie (they play relevant schools like UGA, Tennessee, Alabama, etc.), and is still in a better conference? Moving is the ticket to conceding dominance to USC.
Finally, ACADEMICS. Being associated with Duke, UNC, UVA, BC, GT, and Miami is good for our university. Being associated with Oklahoma and Texas Tech is very bad. We're like the 8th best school in the ACC, maybe 9th after 'Cuse joined. We'd be second only to Texas in the Big 12.
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Re: Now, you know he is not going respect that answer.***
May 20, 2012, 9:18 PM
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Re: With all due respect....
May 20, 2012, 9:30 PM
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If you are a Clemson fans, you are a fan regardless of the oppoent. Sure, some of the road trips may be a bit further but they're also better that sleepy Duke, Wake and BC. If you don't want to follow the team, that's certainly your choice and your loss.
Being afraid of competition is NOT a logical reason.
Recruiting will not suffer. Clemson is already making road trips to Boston, Miami, Maryland and Charlottesville and if the Big XII expands to 14 or 16 teams, there is a very good chance that schools like Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Pitt, Notre Dame or Miami may also be added. The lions share of the parents don't follow the team on the road anyway. Furthermore, the new television contract addresses that concern.
The athletic conference in which a school chooses to participate has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the schools academic mission. If Harvard started playing in Conference USA as opposed to the Ivy League (which is nothing more than an athletic conference with a lot of prestigeous schools in it), HArvard would still be a very prestigeous academic institution.
Following Friday's announcement, do you really believe the ACC has a future in major college football? Any team that remains with the ACC will be relegated to third tier status, considered only for lower-tier inconsequential bowl games, and placed at a significant financial/competitive disadvantage with absolutely ZERO chance of EVER competing for a national championship.
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the asinine arguments against this astound me***
May 20, 2012, 9:31 PM
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People are missing the forest for the trees.***
May 20, 2012, 9:32 PM
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I don't think people understand that we truly stand at a
May 20, 2012, 9:35 PM
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cross roads and how we choose now will impact us for the next fifty years after most of us are gone from this earth. You are either going to commit to big time football with a move or you're going to regress. It's really that simple. You can't continue to run a deficit to your closest rivals and maintain successful facilities, coaching staffs, and recruiting. You can't do it. You have to find new revenue streams and you need to partner with those who value what you value...football. The ACC does none of this for Clemson. It's past time to go.
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If you have enough money to go to every road game now
May 20, 2012, 9:34 PM
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you are pretty well off. We usually go to 2 and a the bowl game. In the Big 12 I would pick one special trip such as Texas or OU a year and then hit FSU or WVU and who know Ga Tech could still be in play before this thing is over
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Re: With all due respect....
May 20, 2012, 9:42 PM
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1. Sure it will be hard to travel to road games but only 3 to 5000 fans travel to most away games anyway. 80,000+ go to home games and imagine how great it will be to host Texas and Oklahoma in death valley. Fans win.
2. Clemson has struggle because of lack of leadership. That has been fixed and with a lot more money we will be able to compete with anyone. Without a lot more money Clemson's return to the top will be short lived. We will grow steadily weaker until we are a laughing stock.
3. Other sports will have a problem only if the ACC remains intact. I believe the ACC is a sinking ship and the better teams will be absorbed into the Big 12 and the SEC. Sooner rather than later. Those that are unable to jump will be left to flounder in a Basketball conference similar to Conference USA. We need to strike while the iron is hot or risk being left out permanently.
In the end only 64 of the roughly 120 1A teams will be in the footbal National Title hunt. None of those will be in the ACC.
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Rip Van Winkle? Is that you, Rip?
May 20, 2012, 8:50 PM
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deep is my middle name
May 20, 2012, 8:51 PM
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or is that what she said?
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It just amazes me how people still don't get it.............
May 20, 2012, 8:52 PM
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Do you not think that the higher ups have talked to the SEC first to see if that is an option. From all we hear right now we have 2 choices.........stay in a burnt out meaningless conference and never be relevant and keep taking the ACC's abuse or go to the Big 12 and make 10 million more a year and join a power confernece. If those 2 options are it.......where is the question? It's a no brainer.
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is that for me?***
May 20, 2012, 8:56 PM
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Nobody in particular just keep seeing those people who
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talk about it being a mistake. They just don't get it and seem to think there is another option such as the SEC and for all we have seen that will never be an option for Clemson or FSU. Big 10 and Pac 10 make no sense so basically its the Big 12 or lose out. I promise you Barker and some of the Braniacs who worship the ACC are kicking and screaming that they have to do this but they know it's the only way.
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there was a report that daU has turned away
May 20, 2012, 9:21 PM
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expansion overtures and in fact are expected to reduce their support for football.
i have no idea if that is true or not, but if theU can consider it, i think anyone could.
we do not have all the info. that is the only thing i would caution people toward.
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Oculus Spirit [93608]
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^^^knows how to shut people up***
May 20, 2012, 9:31 PM
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They won't leave because they can't have their
May 20, 2012, 9:15 PM
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own network in the PAC 12. If the BIG XII goes ahead and gets to 16 teams, there is really no room for the existing conferences to get better except the SEC if it gets VT instead of the BIG XII.
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if you go back 10 years, the acc was the premier
May 20, 2012, 9:25 PM
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conference in the land just adding the miami frickin hurricanes.
the acc 'owned' 8 of the last 20 national titles and 9 of the last 22 if you include cu's.
think things can change in 10 years?
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Re: Just because adding teams to the Big 12 is best for them
May 20, 2012, 9:52 PM
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Too bad every school in the BCS is missing out on the true purpose of an academic institution. The point of college athletics is to build up great men & women of character and to prepare them for their future whether that is in athletics or not. The purpose is not to make the most money (what this is all about).
That being said, I would only support a move to another conference if it was the SEC. Chasing the money has only had schools like Boise State lose their dang mind and common sense. The Big 12 makes zero sense for us geographically. I know most people on here don't care about traveling to other states or paying money to travel and most people only care about football but lets think about the athletes for a second here.
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it is best for FSU and Clemson in the long run….
May 21, 2012, 12:49 AM
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if you can't figure that out, then you haven't been paying attention to what's been going in college football.
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Re: Just because adding teams to the Big 12 is best for them
May 21, 2012, 10:32 AM
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Staying in a depleted ACC isn't best.
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