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Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 6, 2022, 2:14 PM
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My list.
What changes say you?
1. Deshaun Watson
2. Trevor Lawrence
3. Tajh Boyd
4. Charlie Whitehurst
5. Cullen Harper
6. Kelly Bryant
7. Kyle Parker
8. Cole Stoudt
9. Will Proctor
10. DJ
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 6, 2022, 2:20 PM
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I might switch Bryant and Harper. DW4 and TL could be switched too.
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 6, 2022, 2:28 PM
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Good point, I gave Harper the nod because Bryant’s success was largely the result of having one of the top defenses in the country.
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Jan 6, 2022, 2:35 PM
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I would definitely switch Bryant for Harper, and probably Parker for Harper too. Don't care what anyone said, Parker was a gamer and a baller. That kid had balls, and was clutch when he needed to be.
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Jan 6, 2022, 2:39 PM
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Also DW4 and TL16 is a toss up. I'd probably go slightly DW4, because he was so clutch, and could create with his feet. I think he could also do slightly more, with less.
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 7, 2022, 6:41 PM
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Disagree. I think DW is #1 and I have Harper and Parker ahead of KB. Stoudt def last.
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I agree
Jan 8, 2022, 12:46 AM
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If there's a game we have to win I want Watson ahead of Lawrence.
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 8, 2022, 12:57 AM
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I can’t put Stoudt last. Seems like a lot of fans have an unnatural distaste for him but his completion percentages were good (helped by some stud receivers I know) and he finished up in a great game. Much better than that whimper by KB.
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 6, 2022, 2:26 PM
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TL16
DW4
Tajh
KB2
Whitehurst - See below
Cullen Harper
Cole Stoudt
Will Proctor
Kyle Parker
Keep in mind his 2004 campaign which was worse than DJ previous season - but I think both are an instance of other offensive troubles. I mean CW was also a Heisman hopeful that preseason but it was a rough season. Does not mean that a QB is bad.
Not enough information - DJ. I mean other than Tajh DW4 and TL16 - everyone else has a black-mark season.
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 6, 2022, 2:29 PM
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Good point, I’m probably being too hard and DJ. Hopefully he’s able to blossom next year and rise up that rankings chart.
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 6, 2022, 2:38 PM
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DW4
TL16
TB
Whitehurst
Kelly Bryant
Cullen Harper
Kyle Parker
Cole Stoudt
Chase Brice- BU but better than the rest.
Big Cinco
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Jan 6, 2022, 3:08 PM
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Hmm. Nothing against any of those guys, but Parker was definitely more talented and experienced that Proctor and Stoudt. Maybe better than Harper if he had had more experienced talent around him.
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Jan 6, 2022, 3:18 PM
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Harper was the better athlete and potential. But being a QB, his second season was statically the same as DJ's this season and little different that Cole. He in protection mode after the Auburn hit/game and regressed in 2010.
Cole Stould stats were marginally better than Parkers and Will's were slightly better than both.
I agree, maybe if the 2010's team was better it could have been better for Kyle but his play was not great that season either.
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Jan 6, 2022, 3:41 PM
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Parker you meant as better athlete / potential. I agree with that. He would have been a better QB too imo if he wasn't splitting sports. I'd put him under Harper on your list, and mainly because Harper had a better squad around him. The 2010 team was devoid of many playmakers, and the play calling was headscratching terrible at times. I agree too he wasn't the same after he took that AU targeting in the back. That hit was brutal.
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Jan 7, 2022, 10:40 AM
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Yep, I swapped the names typing. Parker is the better athlete/potential. Harper was the better all-around QB even if he had a cap.
If anything, he had a lot more "fan confidence" after the Miami game. You never felt like he was the limit if things were not going bad so I understand why a lot of folks would slot him higher. Team talent aside, Parker had his accuracy issues and was more error prone. Some of the sling-it swagger cut both ways. Harper was both more accurate and made mostly better decisions. He could not have the same transcendent game like Parker and Miami. Parker played better in big game but he was either light-out on fire or if you remember the TCU or Maryland - SC or GT game he could be ice cold I try to pull more from his 2009 season there but do you take the Freshman better stats or the injury season. Harper was just more consistent even if he had a lower potential ceiling.
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Jan 6, 2022, 3:46 PM
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Parker also had broken ribs that entire season, Parker is too 5 on this list if it’s based of being healthy, potential and best moments. We were better than that Auburn team that won the natty, as soon as Parker got hurt it ended our season.
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 8, 2022, 4:55 AM
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Everything about this post is wrong. First, How do you figure? You can't compare raw stats in different decades. College football has followed the NFL's footsteps in making it impossible to play defense since Whitehurst's time. I mean, in 2004, the best P5 QB was Jason White with 35 touchdowns. There are 10 QBs with more TDs this year. But lets look at stats (compared to other QBs):
Whitehurst: #94 in passer rating, #88 in passing accuracy, #62 in passing yards, #92 in ypa, #90 in passing touchdowns, 7th most picks.
Uiagalelei: #104 in passer rating (second lowest in the country), #98 passer accuracy, #77 in passing yards, #102 in ypa, #98 in passing touchdowns, 20th most picks.
DJ's season was worse than Charlie's 2004 season statistically. If you compare the talent gap, it really becomes insane. DJ had 3 NFL caliber running backs, along with 7 blue chip receivers. Charlie Whitehurst was handing the ball off to Reggie Merriweather and throwing to Airese Currie and Kelvin Grant. Literally every skill player on this squad is more talented than them.
Saying DJ's season is the result of other offensive troubles is laughable. I don't think he was the only problem by any means, I think that largely falls on Elliott and Streeter. But you don't become historically bad if you're playing well. And Charlie was a Heisman hopeful the same way every player is. He could have theoretically won it. But no one outside of Clemson fans considered him a candidate.
That said:
DW4
TL16
Tajh
Cullen Harper
Charlie Whitehurst
KB
Kyle Parker
Will Proctor
Cole Stoudt
DJ
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I think it's entirely fair to say...
Jan 6, 2022, 2:29 PM
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that DJ's legacy has not yet been written.
We'll see what happens but he's definitely got A LOT or room for improvement.
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Jan 6, 2022, 2:46 PM
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Yeah, I wouldn't put DJ last, definitely not on talent alone. Some of those QB's had more experienced and better O-lines than DJ. And some had more experienced running backs and receivers too.
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Choosing between TLaw and DW is like.....................
Jan 6, 2022, 2:30 PM
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picking your favorite child. But if I have to pick I choose
1. TLaw
2. DW
3. CW
4. Tajh
I would like to forget the others. That's the nicest thing I can say about them.
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 6, 2022, 2:31 PM
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1. Deshaun Watson
2. Trevor Lawrence
3. Tajh Boyd
4. Charlie Whitehurst
5. Kelly Bryant
6. Kyle Parker
7. Cullen Harper
8. Will Proctor
9. Cole Stoudt
10. DJ
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Jan 6, 2022, 3:17 PM
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This is like picking apples and oranges, but your list is almost identical to mine. Except I would never have DJ last, or maybe not on the list yet. He has more talent than the bottom half of this list. I would change Stoudt over Proctor.
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Jan 8, 2022, 4:57 AM
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It seems insane that you're ranking DJ based on his high school ranking. It's too late for that. We've seen him play now. He just completed the worst season statistically for Clemson in history. Sure, he could potentially improve (although I don't think that's likely given our struggles at coaching that position and and Klubnik coming in). But based on play, he is last. Plain and simple. It's not even debatable.
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 6, 2022, 8:56 PM
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Iah TL is probably the best prototypical prospect and maybe the best pure passer…but in my book it’s not even close with DW … DW is #1 … I never had any concern at all if we would win if we needed the last score and the ball was in DW’s hands…it was a given…even vs Bama for the Natty I looked at my friends at the game Amd told them…don’t worry about whether we are gonna win…we are…just sit back and enjoy these last minutes and this win!!!
I never had that feeling with Trevor…he is obviously great but just never had the same feeling with him…
DW would have beaten Bama in the semis the year we lost (TL probably also)…he would have also beaten Burrow and LSU and Fields and OSU…
It’s not a knock on TL but DW just had that edge…that Jordanesque will to win on the biggest stage…he had that IT!!!
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 7, 2022, 11:00 PM
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I agree! I would have liked our chances against LSU and Ohio State with DW4......if you blitz him 3 time he was going to make you pay on 2 of them with his pocket movement and strength.
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I think DW and TL interchangeable at #1. Can probably say
Jan 6, 2022, 2:37 PM
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the same for Tajh and CW for 3rd. Tajh won a lot more games, but his only knock is 0-3 vs. capons. CWs biggest plus is 4-0 vs. capons. KB probably at 5 just due to lack of games. Only lost 2 in 2017, one where he was hurt. Proctor/Harper/Parker toss-up at 6-8. Hopefully DJ can pass those 3, but probably sits at 9 right now. Stoudt is last. He has one good game after a month to get ready. DJ had two good ones already, albeit both in 2020.
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 6, 2022, 2:40 PM
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It is really hard to judge DJ. I know DJ has issues of his own but this years OL was worse than the one that nearly got KB killed in the playoff game against Bama. He didn't get much help from his receivers either. Also, I don't believe that the playcalling early in the year was effective given his issues and the others.
I can't really argue with most of the above lists though.........
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 6, 2022, 2:46 PM
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1. Deshaun Watson
2. Trevor Lawrence
3. Tajh Boyd
4. Charlie Whitehurst
5. Cullen Harper
6. Kelly Bryant
7. Kyle Parker
8. DJ Uiagaleilei
9. Will Proctor
10. Cole Stoudt
As others have stated, it’s hard to rank DJ right now because he’s still writing his story. I think DJ will pass Parker next year with a solid year, and could certainly pass Bryant as well.
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 6, 2022, 2:55 PM
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Doesn’t the QB who won the 1981 National Championship deserve mention here?
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 6, 2022, 3:21 PM
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They are only ranking the last 10 QBs. If you go back to Mr. Jordan, you would have to rank the last 20-25 QBs.
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 6, 2022, 8:40 PM
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Absolutely, but I was only going back for the last 10 quarterbacks because that’s the span of my Clemson fan hood. I’m from the Midwest and became a Clemson fan when my daughter started attending Clemson in 2005.
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Id put Parker over Bryant
Jan 6, 2022, 3:08 PM
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DW is def the best.
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Cullen Harper was excellent in 2007 (27 TDs and 6 INTs)
Jan 6, 2022, 3:12 PM
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but quite poor in 2008 (13 TDs and 14 Ints).
The crazy thing is that in 2008 (his poor season), he was still 2nd in the ACC in Pass Efficiency Rating with his <1 TD/INT ratio. He was behind only Russell Wilson.
That shows you how just how much football has changed in the past 15 years (though 2021 DJ still had an atrocious Pass Efficiency Rating even by 2008 standards).
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 6, 2022, 4:07 PM
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All 9 had better WRs than what DJ had.
Lawrence, Watson, and Boyd definitely had better OL.
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 6, 2022, 4:23 PM
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1. Deshaun Watson
2. Trevor Lawrence
3. Charlie Whitehurst
4. Tajh Boyd
5. Kelly Bryant
6. Cullen Harper
7. Kyle Parker
8. DJ Uiagaleilei
9. Will Proctor
10. Cole Stoudt
Watson did more with less support than Lawrence.
If Charlie was throwing to the guys Tajh was??? Dude had TE's as tackles. Similar logic as 4 > 16.
As passers I would but Harper slightly above Bryant but he had far less athletic ability.
with a healthy squad and better leadership i could see DJ rising to at least 5th this season.
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I would probably flip Harper and Parker, other than that,
Jan 6, 2022, 6:22 PM
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your rankings are within discussion range. Although, I will say, I cut Parker some slack, I don't think he was ever truly the same after that Auburn back spear. I give him points just for grit to go out and compete while hurt.
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 6, 2022, 9:06 PM
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My list:
DW4 (Both we’re electric, but I think DW4 was little more electric with the offense)
TLAW
Tajh Boyd
Kelly B-money (Won an ACC championship in ‘17 and had an above average season)
Kyle Parker (he was a part of the ‘09 team that went to the ACC championship)
CW
Cole Stoudt
DJ (more tbd)
Dr. Cullen Harper (I mean he made the best of what he had, so no fault to him)
Will Proctor
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 7, 2022, 6:31 PM
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How in the world can you put Stoudt ahead of Harper? DW won all the games in 2014. Stoudt was probably like 3-3 and threw a pick 6 every 5 seconds with tons of weapons and a great D. Cullen Harper was outstanding in 2007.
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 7, 2022, 6:35 PM
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Cullen Harper wins the ACC if Aaron Kelly doesn't drop the wide open td at BC.
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 8, 2022, 1:05 AM
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No way I could put CW behind KB. 4-0 (I know KB only had one shot but still)
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 7, 2022, 6:20 PM
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Lol Stoudt is definitely last. If he could pick a number between 1 and 10, he'd pick six.
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 7, 2022, 6:23 PM
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DW
Trevor
Tajh
Whitehurst
Harper
Parker
Bryant
DJ
Procter
Stoudt
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 7, 2022, 10:48 PM
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DW4 was for sure the top. Trevor the second. Boyd/Whitehurst are a toss up. The rest can go in almost any order depending on what you are looking for. I think if Parker didn't get crushed he would be high on this list, like others said he was never the same after the hit. Procter always was worried about his hair/appearance. All the rest had their moments. DJ5 is hard to read, looked great his freshman year and terrible his soph year. Lets see if he plays better next year or if Cabe takes over. I expect Cabe to be another DW4
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 7, 2022, 6:27 PM
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I agree with that order.
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Re: Ranking Last 10 Clemson QB’s
Jan 7, 2022, 11:19 PM
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DW4 one of the best to ever do it and I'm not just talking Clemson.
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What aucks is DJ has the potential to be among the top 3
Jan 8, 2022, 12:37 AM
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Whether or not he can get his head straight is the question, but his career isn't over therefore we can't grade him yet.
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Re: What aucks is DJ has the potential to be among the top 3
Jan 8, 2022, 6:58 AM
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I’m not sure how one can say DJ has the potential to do it. He’s the slowest on that list. If he and Whitehurst ran a televised 40 yard dash against one another, you could play a commercial and still catch the ending. Whitehurst got his brains beat in, and kept getting up. He probably had the worst O-lines of the last 20 years.
DJ struggles with field awareness. Combine that with no speed, the guy is Logan Thomas (who is really tall) only 20 pounds heavier. He just in no way fits the Clemson offense that has been ran for the last 10 years.
1. DW
2.TL
3. Taj
4. C.W.
5. Harper
6. Parker
7.KB
8. Proctor
9. Stouts
10.DJ
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I say that because
Jan 8, 2022, 3:43 PM
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All you have to do is watch (a lighter) DJ's fundamentals play in HS and last season to clearly see he has the potential.
He lost all confidence and his fundamentals and mechanics completely changed this year.
You're basing your judgment on how he played this year. I'm basing my judgment on exhibited ability 3 years ago in HS and his tremendous play last year.
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