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I think Cole Stoudt will help our chances more than Tajh did
Jul 26, 2014, 12:32 PM
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While this goes against the national media story line allow me to explain my position. I thought this one through.
First there is one way that I am thoroughly convinced Cole will lag behind Tajh.
Tajh Boyd is perhaps the second best running QB in Clemson history (after Woody of course). I don't care if Dabo is right about Cole being a smidge faster, Tajh found a way to get the yards we needed in critical situation after critical situation.
However, Tajh was freak-accident prone. I love the guy, and he won some games for us, but there were several games that he hurt us....badly. Even our mediocre QB's of the recent-past like Will Proctor and Cullen Harper did not have such a high number of game destroying gaffes. Kyle Parker became bad decision-prone after Nick Fairly broke his rib, and we had our worst year since Tommy West as a result.
My point. Odds are, even if Cole Stoudt isn't capable of a Tajh-vs-LSU level game, we would still be better off without the frequent gaffes against elite competition.
One of the biggest reasons the coots have owned us over the last 5 years is QB play. Their QB's have been reliable and efficient, allowing the rest of the team to win. Our QB's have been head cases and turnover machines.
I think our insanely elite WR play over the last couple years has somewhat hidden Tajh's accuracy problems. I'm sure you guys are aware of all the TD's that were scored only because of an awesome catch of a bad throw. He threw some amazing balls too, but almost never consistently against good competition. And then there's all the fumbles too.
And I'm not trying to neg on Tajh. He represented us well and caused us a lot of joy. But his highs were always followed by lows... and almost always in our biggest games at the worst possible times. Cole probably won't do that. Odds are just against another QB breaking down the way Tajh did against FSU and SCAR. I strongly believe Stoudt he will be much more consistent.
Now, finally is the meat of my argument. Because our offense is designed to attack from multiple angles using multiple personnel, opposing defenses will not be able to simply focus on Tajh passing to Sammy. Cole checks his progressions much better than Tajh, from the evidence we have so far. That in itself is huge when evaluating our offensive potential because our offense is designed to give a QB options.
In other words, the best way a QB can win the game is avoid terrible mistakes and calmly find the open man. Since that was Tajh's biggest weakness (calmly going down his progressions and making a consistently accurate throw) I think our offense will be better. Furthermore, I think we have the talent and the coaching continuity to beat everyone we play. I only see us losing one or two games at the most this year. This is the most confident I have been about a Clemson team since 1989. (I was very confident in 2000 and 2004 too, but not like I am this time.)
If our secondary plays decently this year, and we find one or two workhorse RB's... we are going to be in the playoff discussion until the very end.
UGA is a key game because we (especially Cole) need to get the jitters out in a hurry. But I would bet the car on us beating SCAR this year.
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Re: I think Cole Stoudt will help our chances more than Tajh did
Jul 26, 2014, 12:34 PM
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agree, he just needs to drive the car and we will most of our games.
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i believe Cole's had more Quality learning time....
Jul 26, 2014, 12:36 PM
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AND learned hopefully some more from Tajh's mistakes & "panic-attacks" what NOT to do...take what you get & move the chains, follow your reads.
he's has time to get this down without being chased around & forced into it before he has a real view of the whole field & how they'll play against our system. more a view from the side...now GO PERFORM!!!
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Oh you mean the panic attacks in the game against LSU...
Jul 26, 2014, 5:42 PM
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where he was getting knocked around by LSU the whole game, yet still stood in there and delivered strikes. Get an f'ing clue.
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Re: tigerking79® dude, i agree with alot of your comments,
Jul 26, 2014, 10:00 PM
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but sometimes you seem to be a bit too one-sided or wearing blinders.
>>>THIS GUY<<< ...is a TRUE Tigerfan, through & through, with orange-tinted glasses, all-the-way.
but i'm not gonna bullsh!t myself or any other Clemson man (or woman) be pretending or ignoring some of the times that Tajh did things & threw an INT or did something that left us scratching our heads!!!???
if you feel he was infallable, you're definitely a sun-pumper whose in bed be for dark & up after the sun, so you don't think nigh-time & dark exists.
I love Clemson & love Tajh, used to talk to him downtown all the time, but the guy wasn't PERFECT for sure. honestly...need i really mention the unmentionable examples??? i refuse.
Tajh was the best at Clemson ever!...so far, IMO!!! & he was blessed too that he definitely had some of the best supporting staffs to dish it off too when he wasn't doing it himself (sometimes doing a little too much all himself...). really, minus some o-line issues & everyone on the team having all-thumbs drop the ball days...he complimented the best QB-WR-RB combos i've had the pleasure to see & his records & stats prove that.
you can TD me all you want, but you need to get your head out of your @ss if you're gonna be attacking me. take a pill or something man...
i'm saying Cole had a great teacher to learn with & from! smart player do both, see correction & take coaching, learn from past mistakes (even if it's a teammates mistakes...).
Go Tigers!!! See Y'all in ATHENS August 30th!!! (29th for Rugby  )
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Re: I think Cole Stoudt will help our chances more than Tajh did
Jul 26, 2014, 12:45 PM
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terrific post and i agree all the way!!!
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Re: I think Cole Stoudt will help our chances more than Tajh did
Jul 26, 2014, 1:46 PM
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I have sent basically the same post to different places and called in to Sirius college sports to let Brando, arute, and mark packer these thoughts. not because I'm a clemson homer, I am, but I'm thinking logically. tajh, god love him, was the problem sometimes, not the answer. if you gave tajh a month to prepare, he was money - lsu and osu were prime examples. but when it was needed on short notice, usuck and noles, the nerves were frayed and he would stare down Sammy and nuk. tigers are lucky to have a senior leader and a consensus star in dw. I am much more confident this yr than I can ever recall in past 30. why? defense wins games and this d is salty. db's will be much much better. wr deep. rb deep. oline is only concern due to depth. there is a lot of talent here. it comes down to coaching, scheduling, and 4th qtr decision making in close games. the only game that is of concern is fsu. unless dawgs somehow morphed into the seahawks, then I'm not antsy. better to get them now than later in year. usuck will be a tiger win - bank on it. UNC and Louisville are decent teams, but they are not fsu, auburn, osu, etc. tigers are always better under radar. what the attempt to achieve, from now going forward, is not to be under the radar and succeed when expectations are high. that's what the plan is for future. ds has focused on dine and oline past in past two recruiting cycles. why? because that's where games for the best teams are won. fsu, bama, auburn, lsu are prime examples of that. trust me, if aj mccarron had been at ucla, miss st, UNC, etc., you would have never heard of him. it's bamas lines that provided the skill players to roll. same with jameis and noles. he's awesome, but so was his d and oline. that's how you build a champion and tigers have the ingredients. I will be surprised at 9-3. if that happens this yr or next, then ds needs to be evaluated big time. as does entire staff. losing 5 in a row to usuck is unacceptable. venables is unreal and tigers need to lock him up. Morris? who knows? he has talent to play with and now is his time to show it. run the ball, run the ball, and then run some more. it is time
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Re: I think Cole Stoudt will help our chances more than Tajh did
Jul 28, 2014, 12:32 PM
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Some excellent points. I think Stoudt will probably be fine going through his progressions---if his OL gives him time. And no QB throws very well lying flat on his back. And, I hope we have an RB step up bigtime----if the OL can open one holes for him. After reading Coach Caldwell's comments the other day, I didn't come away particularly encouraged about our OL. And his frustration with Isiah Battle (still a reed at 270 or less) was thinly-veiled at best. On defense, Kearse still doesn't get it regarding assignment football, and has yet to lock down the starting safety spot. And the potential loss of Peake scares the he$$ out of me. Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I guess all the optimism makes me nervous.
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Re: I think Cole Stoudt will help our chances more than Tajh did
Jul 26, 2014, 1:58 PM
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I have to say I agree with you. I have been waiting to see
Cole run the show with the keys to his car. He has proven he is a very good QB and I have said I followed him here in Ohio when he was in high school. He broke all of Brady Quinn's high school records and is a very cool customer under pressure.
He has had a great mentor in his dad along with the genetics. I look for us to surprise a lot of people.
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Re: I think Cole Stoudt will help our chances more than Tajh did
Jul 26, 2014, 2:41 PM
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I agree . One thing I don't understand, Clemson is pre-season AP #8 ! GA is not even ranked in the top 25 & are favored by 3 over Clemson ? How in the hell can that be ?
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Re: I think Cole Stoudt will help our chances more than Tajh did
Jul 26, 2014, 9:11 PM
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> I agree . One thing I don't understand, Clemson is
> pre-season AP #8 ! GA is not even ranked in the top
> 25 & are favored by 3 over Clemson ? How in the hell
> can that be ?
You do know that the AP preseason poll isn't released until next month? Not sure where you're getting your information.
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Re: I think Cole Stoudt will help our chances more than Tajh did
Jul 27, 2014, 10:21 PM
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> I agree . One thing I don't understand, Clemson is
> pre-season AP #8 ! GA is not even ranked in the top
> 25 & are favored by 3 over Clemson ? How in the hell
> can that be ?
are you serious Clark?
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I agree with your assesment.
Jul 26, 2014, 3:16 PM
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It used to drive me nuts to watch Tajh lock in on one receiver. If I can see it, the defense can see it too.
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Tajh rarely locked onto receivers***
Jul 26, 2014, 5:44 PM
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Re: Oh ok. (link)
Jul 27, 2014, 5:29 PM
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Makes sense now lol
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Tajh came close to blowing the OSU game. 2 big gaffes.***
Jul 26, 2014, 3:43 PM
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Re: Tajh came close to blowing the OSU game. 2 big gaffes.***
Jul 27, 2014, 5:27 PM
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I watched the replay of the Ohio State game the other night. When Boyd threw that last interception it was obvious that he was responding to the pass rush and it did not want to be hit. I am glad that Boyd is gone. He and Parker both were very afraid of contact. And yes, I do not care that he ran the ball on third and one and third and two. It was obvious that he did not like being hit in the pocket. He is the only right handed quarterback that I have ever seen that would consistently run to his left when under pressure. He was not running to make a play, but he was running scared! I love the Tigers, but I did not like Parker or Boyd as the quarterbacks.
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I don't think Boyd was afraid of contact at all.
Jul 27, 2014, 5:33 PM
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He sought it sometimes it seemed. I think he was afraid to let everybody down and it caused him to play outside of his comfort zone in critical times. And his 3rd down runs were not simple. He made runs over 7-10 yards in which most players on the team wouldn't be able to. He found a way and won us a lot of games doing so. Tajh was also at the helm of three 10-plus win seasons. That's nothing to shrink at. Tajh put us in a position, most of the time to win games. My only comment was that I think he hurt us in situations that Stoudt will not likely hurt us. Following progressions and maintaining accuracy are the key to my line of thinking.
So while I understand your sentiment about the liability he obviously represented in certain key situations, I think we owe it to him to talk about it respectfully.
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Agree***
Jul 26, 2014, 5:15 PM
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Re: I think Cole Stoudt will help our chances more than Tajh did
Jul 26, 2014, 5:21 PM
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Fair post.
I think even though the potential reward might not be as high, we should see some sort of equilibrium achieved if Cole can avoid some of the headscratching throws when the checkdown is there, lack of pocket awareness, etc.
Tajh will be sorely missed, but every QB brings something different to the table.
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Re: Nice post to you too IBWG! way to finish :-)
Jul 26, 2014, 10:34 PM
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it's like buying 10 lbs of some really great cheese & refusing to eat any other cheese because you've told yourself it's the best...even though it's all moldy :-\
well, maybe not really, lol
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Of course he will.***
Jul 26, 2014, 5:30 PM
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You know nothing about Clemson football if you think Tajh...
Jul 26, 2014, 5:40 PM
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was the second best running QB in Clemson history. You must have never heard of these guys: Steve Fuller, Homer Jordan, Deshane Cameron, Mike O'Cain, Banks McFadden, you can even throw in Louis Solomon from the early 90's. Tajh was more like Rodney Williams running the ball, not fast but effective.
Also, you grossly exaggerating the mistakes Tajh made. His few mistakes pales in comparison to all the great plays he made. Tajh is the first QB since Homer Jordan to lead us to an Orange Bowl victory, he owns nearly all of the passing records, and he is tied with Rodney Williams for most wins as a starting QB in Clemson history. He is the only QB in Clemson history with wins over UGA, FSU, AU, LSU, and OSU. You also, fail to mention that he played behind a terrible oline for 2 out of the 3 seasons he was the starter, and his junior year the oline was below average. Tajh carried this team on his back for 3 years, show some respect.
If you do not appreciate what Tajh did for this University, you sir are not a Clemson fan. Just stop the Tajh bashing.
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I think the reasonable posters on this website can easily
Jul 27, 2014, 4:40 PM
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see the hyperbole and the emotion in your posts.
Your immoderate behavior is not based on the words of my post as much as it is your penchant for the dramatic.
While you are running around T-Net with your mob-torch trying to rally the troops against a Tajh-bashing ghost, you should have considered the irony that your passionate defense of Tajh produced. What Irony? Well, you threw several other members of the Clemson football team under the bus.
Let's get this straight right now. I am not bashing Tajh. I don't expect a drama queen to get that, but for the record, the purpose of my post was to explain why I think COle Stoudt will have a better year in our offense than Tajh did. I believe that Cole Stoudt will do more to put us in a position to win big games.
You are in the extreme, fringe minority if you deny that Tajh had a reputation for being responsible for a relatively high number of critical turnovers and losses of yardage. But so you don't freak out about that obviously true statement and jump off a cliff, I will repeat that I think Tajh Boyd was an awesome QB and obviously contributed exponentially more positive to Clemson than negative.
If your definition of respect involves ignoring reality entirely, then I think you need to reconsider your semantics.
To say the Oline was "terrible" for 2 years is over dramatic. Just like If I said Tajh Boyd was "terrible," which, also ironically, I never did. You have disrespected Clemson players and I have not. You wanna cry about that reality too?
Also, I said that Tajh was perhaps the 2nd best running QB in Clemson history. Funny that in your defense of Tajh, you said that positive statement was laughable. Do you understand the concept of irony... cuz... your spraying it all over the place. I believe Tajh deserves to be in the discussion since his ability to pick up 4 and 5 and 6 and 7 yards on critical downs... in big games... was amazing. I have never seen a QB consistently succeed in clutch running situation like Tajh did. That includes Rodney WIlliams. Rodney Williams had a better line too.
Here is an example of you transcending the line of "drama-queen" into simple fool....
If you do not appreciate what Tajh did for this University, you sir are not a Clemson fan.
Really? Can you not see the extreme stupidity of such a statement as a reaction to my post? You need some maturity.
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Re: I think Cole Stoudt will help our chances more than Tajh did
Jul 26, 2014, 5:43 PM
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I completely agree. Tajh will remain in out record books as one of the best to ever suit up in the orange. That said, there were games where his head just wasn't right for whatever reason. If there is one position on the field where one person can affect the outcome of the game, it's the quarterback. He alone won some games for us, and lost a few too.
I think Cole has the ability to simply manage the game. I think that is something we need. We have playmakers all over the field. I watched the Orange Bowl replay the other night and Hopper looked great. I think were strong at running back as well. Don't forget Charrone Peake either.
We need a cool head to manage the offense. I think Cole is the guy. I hope so at least.
Go Tigers!! 2014
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Hopper did not play good in the Orange Bowl...
Jul 26, 2014, 5:47 PM
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he was rounding off routes the whole game. There is a reason why Hopper has been in the doghouse, and now he has to prove himself.
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Re: Hopper did not play good in the Orange Bowl...
Jul 26, 2014, 5:50 PM
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Hopper absolutely did. There was a catch in the second half where he was locked up behind the line of scrimmage and ducked out of it for 8 yds or so. Looked pretty good to me. I didn't see him during the first half, but from what I saw he was a tough buckaroo. :/
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I was at the game and was able to see him better than...
Jul 26, 2014, 5:53 PM
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those who watched on tv, and his route running was well below average. Like I said before there is a reason Hopper is in the doghouse, and is now having to fight for playing time.
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Re: I was at the game and was able to see him better than...
Jul 26, 2014, 5:56 PM
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Sorry. I thought you said he didn't play. Are you sure you were there. I know I was. As well as the last Orange Bowl too unfortunately
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I said nothing about him not playing. I stated he did not..
Jul 26, 2014, 5:58 PM
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play well. And him currently being in the doghouse, proves that. So far Hopper hasn't lived up to his recruiting ranking, and it's time for him to step up. Which I hope he will since he is very talented.
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Success by Cole will be dependent on
Jul 26, 2014, 6:15 PM
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the OL playing well!
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Re: Success by Cole will be dependent on
Jul 28, 2014, 12:42 PM
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Amen!!!
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Re: I think Cole Stoudt will help our chances more than Tajh did
Jul 26, 2014, 7:05 PM
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We'll see. I think Cole will do well but it's easy to dissect every weakness Tahj had because of the exposure he has had. We've seen Tahj play against weak, strong, and all opponents in between. We've seen Cole play in little competition that really mattered. It's naive to think that Cole will not have some shortcomings that get exposed as he's out there more....especially against top defenses. That's the case for almost all quarterbacks.
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Re: Sad that Tajh went from guaranteed Heisman before the
Jul 26, 2014, 9:48 PM
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FSU game last October to getting thrown under the bus by fans wanting to reassure themselves about his backup QB leading the offense for this season.
I guess it is true...the backup QB really must be the most popular player on the team.
One note....if Cole Stoudt has to take the beatings which Boyd endured from SC, LSU and FSU...he will not be the starting QB for the entire season....he doesn't have the frame for such abuse.
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Re: tigerking79®, found a coot for you to light into!! ^^^^
Jul 26, 2014, 10:42 PM
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Get'em TIGER!!!!
ummmm....chicken
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Records, wins and production aside, Tajh's commitment
Jul 26, 2014, 11:05 PM
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to Clemson, from saving Dabo's first class to the patience of transitioning to and installing a radical new offense, to his decision to stay his senior year and gun for a championship, mean everything to where we are as a program today.
Cole's stepping into an impressive machine, loaded with skill players at every position who have years now in this system. Even if he pans out as merely serviceable at the helm, he'll put up very impressive stats. I suspect he'll be quite a bit more though.
I hope Cole delivers like he looks to be able to. It's real nice having DW in the wings though as backup. And with a D getting the offense the ball more often, who knows. Pretty cool time to be a Tiger fan.
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Re: I think Cole Stoudt will help our chances more than Tajh did
Jul 26, 2014, 11:43 PM
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Interesting.
Sounds like a line of pseudo-logical, mental gymnastics intended to convince one's self of a predetermined conclusion.
Coaches play players that give the team the best chance to win football games. Therefore, the logical continuation to the "Stoudt will run the offense better than Boyd" line of thinking is that Chad Morris was playing the wrong guy over the last three years, and I for one don't believe the highest paid OC in the nation would be that poor of a talent evaluator.
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Tajh "won some games for us."
Jul 27, 2014, 12:16 AM
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Really? You give faint praise for a great Clemson quarterback. Tajh Boyd won some great games for us.
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Re: I think Cole Stoudt will help our chances more than Tajh did
Jul 27, 2014, 4:57 PM
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Which is why Tajh played for the past 4 years and Cole watched him
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Re: I think Cole Stoudt will help our chances more than Tajh did
Jul 27, 2014, 5:41 PM
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Solid.
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Did you actually watch the last 3 years of Clemson Football?
Jul 27, 2014, 5:53 PM
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Cole has done nothing except play clean up...he may do well..he may not...but Tajh was a stud in many big games.
If you had to choose right now to start against UGA would you take Cole or Tajh?
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If it were a one game season... probably Tajh. Good question.
Jul 27, 2014, 5:59 PM
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But Tajh's particular set of talents and weaknesses make a title run nearly impossible. He is prone to eventually having absolutely devastatingly bad games. Without the lowest of the lows, we can take a less talented QB to a national title game.
It's not like I'm claiming to be sure I'm right about this. There isn't enough evidence to be anywhere close to sure. But I think the odds are actually higher that Cole's Sr. year is better than Tajh's. We'll see. You can all pile on me if I'm wrong. No biggie.
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Your post seemed to place 100% of the bad plays on Tajh
Jul 27, 2014, 6:03 PM
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You failed to mention the many major screw ups committed by Tiger that hurt us. Tajh sometimes forced plays because others were playing bad...not always
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I don't think my post seemed that way. The post was about
Jul 27, 2014, 6:08 PM
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QB, and I do happen to think that Tajh's mistakes, though obviously not the only mistakes, were the most frequent and the most devastating to our chances of winning.
People see negative things about a popular athlete and they are assuming that someone is trying to attack him. I'm not. I think that Cole's talents and weaknesses give us a better chance to win more games. Imagine if we had a consistent QB last year? Even one less talented than Tajh?
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Re: If it were a one game season... probably Tajh. Good question.
Jul 27, 2014, 6:05 PM
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Cole will never put up the passing numbers Boyd did. But like you I think the O will be in good shape with CS. All I know is we will find out soon. Aug 30 Go Tigers!
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Re: Did you actually watch the last 3 years of Clemson Football?
Jul 27, 2014, 7:40 PM
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Why didn't Cole get any experience except mop up because Chad or Dabo didn't bench Tajh. When Tajh folded under pressure IMHO Dabo should have benched Tajh for a couple of series. Let him calm down and give Cole some reps. under live fire. Same thing this year if Cole folds put Nick or Deshaun in for a while.
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I believe there was an allegiance paid to Tajh over the past
Jul 27, 2014, 7:55 PM
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few years from the coaching staff, which he well deserved as part of what he meant for the program and the national award opportunities he had in the picture. I think the same allegiance was paid to Kyle Parker in '10 when Tajh rode the sidelines under similar circumstances - Kyle passing up baseball $$ to lead the team that year. Were it not for a broken rib in game 3 who knows.
Now that the bar has been raised and the standards set with Tajh, it'll be a lot more open from here on out. For the past five years Dabo & Co. have needed some stars to shine to put us on the map. Now we're transitioning into a whole team shining together.
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I think in the history of all college football, the backup
Jul 27, 2014, 7:55 PM
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QB will always be the 'better' QB...unless you've currently got a Heisman winner/candidate at the helm.
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