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Rock Defender [53]
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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What is the rationale behind funding planned
Sep 9, 2015, 10:56 AM
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parenthood in the first place? There really is no practical purpose for it to receive federal money.
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CU Medallion [56062]
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Planned Parenthood has received federal funding since
Sep 9, 2015, 11:07 AM
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1970 when President Richard Nixon signed into law the Family Planning Services and Population Research Act, amending the Public Health Service Act. Title X of that law provides funding for family planning services, including contraception and family planning information. The law had bipartisan support from liberals, who saw contraception access as increasing families' control over their lives, and conservatives, who saw it as a way to keep people off welfare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood#Funding
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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Well, it obviously hasn't done much to help either
Sep 9, 2015, 11:10 AM
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of those problems, so why continue funding it?
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110%er [7013]
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IF you think it is bad now, what would things be like
Sep 9, 2015, 11:40 AM
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without all that contraception made available?
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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Probably exactly the same
Sep 9, 2015, 11:44 AM
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People who have 5 children before the age of 30 still would have 5 children before the age of 30, and those who wanted to be responsible would have still been responsible.
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110%er [7013]
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There are far fewer OOPS! babbies these days.***
Sep 9, 2015, 11:45 AM
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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And about a million places to get contraception
Sep 9, 2015, 11:50 AM
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other than through planned parenthood.
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Heisman Winner [111526]
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Re: And about a million places to get contraception
Sep 9, 2015, 1:00 PM
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not many places a woman with no health insurance can get a free breast exam, cervical cancer screenings for free. But of course I understand you do not want to pay for it and we should shut down the government instead. it is not like conservatives are creating a wedge issue where there was none in order to drum up dwindling support for a national campaign for the presidency.
But you are a smart guy and can see through these partisan games of grabass.
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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I think it's a big mistake for any GOP candidate
Sep 9, 2015, 1:29 PM
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to latch onto abortion as a campaign issue. I don't think it's as big of a deal to the general public as either side thinks.
Wasn't Obamacare supposed to help those same people get health insurance so that kind of stuff is no longer an issue?
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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Heisman Winner [111526]
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Re: PP doesn't do mammograms.***
Sep 9, 2015, 6:59 PM
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you really have a tough time with reading comprehension.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: Probably exactly the same
Sep 9, 2015, 12:14 PM
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Planned Parenthood aside, sexual education and the availability of contraceptives absolutely helps to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Yes personal responsibility plays a role but it's incorrect to say that "People who have 5 children before the age of 30 still would have 5 children before the age of 30, and those who wanted to be responsible would have still been responsible."
There are clearly other factors at play than personal responsibility.
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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That still doesn't justify the funding of PP***
Sep 9, 2015, 12:25 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: That still doesn't justify the funding of PP***
Sep 9, 2015, 12:30 PM
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Why not? 35% of PP services go towards Testing and Treatment of STDs/STIs, 35% for Contraception. Only 3% of their services go towards abortion services and federal funding cannot be used for abortions by law.
How is that not justified?
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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why would you expect people to subsidize that on top of
Sep 9, 2015, 12:40 PM
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subsidizing other people's health care plans? Contraception and STD testing isn't a burden taxpayers should be shouldering anyway.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: why would you expect people to subsidize that on top of
Sep 9, 2015, 12:47 PM
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I thought the issue at hand with PP was abortions...
> Contraception and STD testing isn't a burden taxpayers should be shouldering anyway.
To each his own, I would think helping people that don't have access to contraceptives helps us as a society. I thought republicans didn't want more welfare babies?
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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People have plenty of access to contraceptives
Sep 9, 2015, 12:53 PM
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outside of planned parenthood, and still would even if planned parenthood quit receiving federal money. I'm not necessarily against abortion, I'm against taxpayer money being used for stuff like this that's outside of the realm of federal responsibility.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: People have plenty of access to contraceptives
Sep 9, 2015, 12:54 PM
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Fair enough.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: Shouldn't these kind of places...if government funded...
Sep 9, 2015, 12:31 PM
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Honestly asking, why?
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All-In [31887]
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Well, off the top of my head....
Sep 9, 2015, 12:40 PM
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1) providing healthcare services for the general population is not a role of the federal government laid out in the constitution.
2) powers now granted to the fed revert back to the state or people
3) federal involvement in such matters is normally less efficient and effective than when performed at the state and local level
4) I'm uneasy with fed funds being granted to an organization with a political action side (PP Action Fund)
there are more, but that's 4 off the top of my head
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I hope they suceeed.....
Sep 9, 2015, 11:13 AM
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This will bring about the demise of the Republican Party sooner than demographics dictate that its eventual irrelevance will occur.
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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Thank God someone is defending these babies.***
Sep 9, 2015, 11:38 AM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: Thank God someone is defending these babies.***
Sep 9, 2015, 12:28 PM
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You are wildly misguided here, as per usual, if you think this has anything to do with "protecting babies". As you can gather from the article, these lawmakers are citing the heavily edited videos that claim fetal tissues were being sold for profit. All of the videos have been edited and unsubstantiated (no investigations have come up with anything).
Furthermore, Planned Parenthood does receive federal funding but the money can't be used for abortions by law. It's also worth pointing out that only 3% of the services PP provides are abortions. Check it out: http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/
So how exactly are these idiots "protecting babies"? It's just another display of lunacy by the GOP. Defunding PP does not defund abortions so they are either lying or just stupid.
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All-In [31887]
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Can you please explain how the edits changed the context....
Sep 9, 2015, 12:30 PM
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of the discussions?
I've watched both the edited and unedited videos and I got absolutely the same general story. How about you?
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Rock Defender [53]
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more things...
Sep 9, 2015, 12:48 PM
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- I skimmed the factcheck article...and it leaves out a lot. Did you or did you not watch the unedited version for yourself? If not...why not go watch it and judge for yourself.
- there have only been a few small state investigations. All of the investigations have not been started/completed, so it's too early to make your claim.
- I'm not sure that PP broke any law...personally I think the video showing the PP official negotiating in an effort to get the highest price possible certainly fits the definition of selling for profit in my book. However, I don't think the issue of illegal activity is the main issue with these videos...it's more the public actually getting a behind the scenes view as to how PP officials operate and callousness with which they treat the subject at hand and brings into question the very act of selling human parts and how docs tailor the procedure to "get a good liver", etc...
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: You are wildly misguided if you think "abortion" is not
Sep 9, 2015, 12:33 PM
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CDef, honest question, do you even read reply's to your comments?
I never said anything about abortion killing babies and I also stated that american taxpayers are not currently funding it.
Please read again, the federal funding PP receives can not, by law, be used for abortions.
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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If American taxes money is going to PP, it is going
Sep 9, 2015, 12:35 PM
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to help abortions. To say not is to conclude that sending food and medical supplies to the Taliban is not helping them buy weapons.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: If American taxes money is going to PP, it is going
Sep 9, 2015, 12:44 PM
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Really? There are tons of ancillary tax-funded services that you could name that "helps abortions". That's not a valid argument.
Are you just going to ignore the 97% of non-abortion related services PP provides? Also, it is already a law that the money can't be used for the abortion procedures. An again, abortion is legal and PP is not using any funds illegally. So what legal grounds does the GOP have to threaten a government shutdown over funding PP? Why aren't they simply trying to make abortion illegal again?
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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The "legal" argument is a non sequitur. Slavery was legal.
Sep 9, 2015, 12:50 PM
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is moot.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: The "legal" argument is a non sequitur. Slavery was legal.
Sep 9, 2015, 12:54 PM
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How is it moot? I'm not arguing morals here, the GOP claims that our taxpayer dollars subsidize abortions when they do not. If you want abortion to be illegal, that's fine, but that's not what's happening here.
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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The Supreme Court ruled a woman had a right to an
Sep 9, 2015, 1:01 PM
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abortion. It did not rule that taxpayers should pay for it.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: The Supreme Court ruled a woman had a right to an
Sep 9, 2015, 5:43 PM
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And they aren't paying for it... so what's your point?
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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Of course they are. Money is fungible. Any $ going to PP
Sep 10, 2015, 8:29 AM
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helps what they do, and that is primarily abortions.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: Of course they are. Money is fungible. Any $ going to PP
Sep 10, 2015, 11:47 AM
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Can you provide numbers that state abortions are primarily what they do? Because i've already showed you at least twice that it's not.
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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PP performs an abortion every 90 seconds.
Sep 10, 2015, 1:41 PM
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You can wrap yourself in a quagmire of equating a pap smear with an abortion, but you can leave me out of that nonsense.
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Democrats threaten to shut-down the government to...
Sep 9, 2015, 12:27 PM
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protect funding for Planned Parenthood.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: Democrats threaten to shut-down the government to...
Sep 9, 2015, 12:55 PM
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You'd have a promising career in the media.
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The issue cuts both ways is the point.
Sep 9, 2015, 1:01 PM
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Since the GOP controls the HOR, I'm assuming the funding bill/appropriations bill is going to be written without funding for PP. Therefore, it will be the dems, likely in the Senate that will be in a position to shutdown the government trying to protect funding for PP and if the GOP plays it correctly it's not going to be the political windfall for the dems that they think it will be.
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Re: The issue cuts both ways is the point.
Sep 9, 2015, 5:46 PM
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The Dems were going to include funding for PP anyway, so in no way could this be painted as the Dems shutting down the government.
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The dems don't control Congress....
Sep 9, 2015, 8:24 PM
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they weren't "going to include" sheet. They get to comment and offer amendments on the GOP plan out of committee.
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Unfortunately, that is correct.***
Sep 9, 2015, 3:56 PM
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Another perspective
Sep 10, 2015, 3:32 AM
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