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I hear people who catch COVID after being vaxxed say that
Feb 14, 2022, 2:30 PM
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it's a good thing they had the vax or it would be much worse.
Is this a proven medical fact, especially with Omicron? I've heard many say this - including friends of mine, but many celebrities and other notable people as well - but I'm not so sure that it's factual or just wishful thinking and a "we think" kinda thing.
Is it a known fact that the vax will minimize or mitigate the symptoms? Or just wishful thinking?
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Re: I hear people who catch COVID after being vaxxed say that
Feb 14, 2022, 2:39 PM
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Let’s just say it’s becoming much less a “known fact”.
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Re: I hear people who catch COVID after being vaxxed say that
Feb 14, 2022, 2:45 PM
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All they know is that over 90% of the people that are in the hospital with COVID are not vaccinated. I have had it twice for sure. The 2nd time I was in the hospital over a week. I wasn't vaccinated. Now I am vaccinated. I am not sure if I have had it again. I don't think so. We do know the Omicron isn't that dangerous compared to the earlier ones. I am not sure about anything other than those facts.
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I don't doubt your experience, but if a second infection put
Feb 14, 2022, 2:51 PM
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you in the hospital, how would a vax have prevented that? In either case, the second infection is after an exposure.
Beginning with "15 days to flatten the curve", every known fact about covid has proven to be at best partially true, not because things are not known, but because everything thought to be known has been presented in manipulative fashion, usually for partisan or ideological reasons. That is not an argument with you, just an observation.
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I've spoken with my pharmacist and my doctor and both
Feb 14, 2022, 3:06 PM
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have said that the absolute worst thing that has happened with COVID treatment/prevention is for the government and celebrities to have gotten involved. If it had just been the medical community, then it would have been one thing. But now it's become a heavily partisan topic and all that seems to be happening is the mask/vax crowd is digging in more and the ones not into the mask/vax are as well. Now, people don't wear a mask or get vaxed simply because they're being told by so many non-medical people that thy need to, and others ARE wearing masks and getting vaxed because the others are saying that it's not necessary, so they want to show that it is. It's so stupid.
But even within the medical community, I think there's a lot of pride. No one wants to say,"you know what, we thought we were correct, but turns out we weren't." But that ain't gonna happen. Back in the early days of the vax and then Delta, the argument was strong for getting the vax. Now, after Omicron, not so much. But they still tow the party line.
I have made my decisions with 100% medical input - nothing political or conspiratorial. It's my decision and mine alone.
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Re: I've spoken with my pharmacist and my doctor and both
Feb 14, 2022, 3:20 PM
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Very reasonable position.
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A lot of truth in this. Some Western countries are now
Feb 14, 2022, 4:01 PM
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dropping all restrictions/mandates whatsoever, yet there are vaxxed people here still walking around with masks on. They won't stop wearing them until a left politician or celebrity tells them to.
Your last sentence paragraph, intuitive as it might be, is controversial in the covid culture. Just saying.
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Amen. I am fully vaxxed and boosted (can I get extra points
Feb 14, 2022, 4:18 PM
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for saying that? ">), and I have always worn a mask when asked to, but have quit wearing it otherwise in light of newer evidence. I do have some health issues and am cared for by multiple doctors who have literally saved my life, and every single one of them implored me to get vaxxed and mask up. So, rather than check in with CNN or Fox to see what some biased carnival barker was advocating, or going to Tigernet or Joe Rogan had to say, I went with actual doctors as well. Doctors I knew and trusted, because they knew me and knew my personal situation. I know that sounds insane, but that's how I've navigated through it so far.
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Re: I don't doubt your experience, but if a second infection put
Feb 14, 2022, 4:16 PM
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I don't know, but we do know that well over 90% of the people in the hospital are not vaxxed and a shyatt load of those not vaxxed have had it twice. That's all we know.
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Re: I don't doubt your experience, but if a second infection put
Feb 14, 2022, 4:23 PM
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I forgot to add. I had a COVID Pneumonia they say. Maybe I just had an Pneumonia and COVID at the same time? I don't know. I just know I was in there with Pneumonia with oxygen levels too low and in the 80's. They called it COVID Pneumonia. I do know I had all of the other symptoms with taste and smell and heart issues. It also gave me an irregular heartbeat for almost 6 months. I took medication for some months and when I saw my doc a couple weeks back he told me the medicine is working well and that my heart was doing well with my AFIB and I don't have an irregular heartbeat due to the meds working. Little does he know I haven't taken any medication in maybe the last 4 months.
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There is no way to possibly know, on any individual case,
Feb 14, 2022, 3:27 PM
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how much worse the virus may have been without the vaccine, or if it would have been any worse at all. What we do know, as has been pointed out, is that overall, the vaccine almost certainly lessens the severity of the virus and helps keep people from dying from it. There are certainly individual cases in which that isn't the case, and people still get very sick and/or die. No absolutes, no guarantees.
EDIT: Also - As the virus has morphed (and become Omicron), the current vaccines have become relatively ineffective as far as preventing transmission of the virus. People will argue and say, no, it still helps some and that's better than nothing, which may be true, but it didn't help enough to prevent the virus from spreading like wildfire amongst tens or perhaps hundreds of thousands of vaccinated people.
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I think the only thing we do know is that an at risk person
Feb 14, 2022, 4:09 PM
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getting the vaccine has a much lower risk of dying, and that anyone getting the vax has a much lower risk of developing the disease. And we know 'at risk' demographics carry almost all the risk of dying from it, regardless of vax. And we know that no randomized controlled test has shown that mask wearing inhibits the spread of the virus in a population over time, and that all such tests - more than a dozen - have shown they do not. And, finally, we know that our policies have taken none of this into account, except that the at risk demographics got the vax first. Besides that, there is little we actually know.
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That's tricky though, when you consider that well over half
Feb 14, 2022, 4:39 PM
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of our adult population is "at risk". I don't know the exact figures, but it's big; it's not a small subset.
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I think you have to get to 70 for the death rates to climb
Feb 14, 2022, 4:49 PM
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significantly.
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That sounds about right, but I know that obesity is
Feb 14, 2022, 5:07 PM
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considered a significant risk factor, and drives the risk of ventilator or death from covid way up, and according to CDC, over 42% of Americans were obese as of 2018. It's probably higher than that now. When you add in old people and other non-obese people with other serious health issues, it's a lot of people.
I know of 4 people (children of friends) who were under 40 but were significantly overweight, who were put on ventilators with covid. But I'm with you, the vast majority of otherwise healthy younger people survived without major problems. I did have one good friend who was 2 years older than me (64), very healthy (played golf and tennis, never smoked, maybe 10-15 lbs over ideal weight) who was unvaxxed and died from covid. No other known comorbidities besides age.
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Right. If you isolate those factors, deaths are of course
Feb 14, 2022, 8:44 PM
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high for them, low for others, and explains almost all the incidences of young people dying. Was just saying that taking the population as a whole, the rates dont climb until 70-ish, yet we shut down everybody at a cost of, to date, about $8 Trillion. Did that save a significant number of lives? I dont think so, but good luck finding an unbiased analysis of that. Our response began as being about politics, and still is, imo.
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Totally agree.***
Feb 14, 2022, 10:49 PM
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Re: I hear people who catch COVID after being vaxxed say that
Feb 14, 2022, 4:52 PM
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I just think we are at the point now that we know the vaccines and masks are not stopping the spread. At this point people have made the individual decisions that they believe is right for them. So, it’s time to move on and accept that there’s a virus lingering out there. If you choose vaccines and a mask that’s perfectly fine. If you choose no, as I have, that is a personal choice and should not be an issue. If we can all live with that I’m good.
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Exactly - me too.***
Feb 14, 2022, 5:20 PM
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12 out of 15 people at my office have been vaxed, and every
Feb 14, 2022, 5:16 PM
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person has had Covid since Jan 1. (So I'm assuming the omicron variant)
Everyone has had the same flu-like symptoms.
Completely anecdotal but the 3 that were unvaxed described the same symptoms as those of us who were vaxed.
I truly don't know how much it helps. But I don't think it could hurt.
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Re: 12 out of 15 people at my office have been vaxed, and every
Feb 14, 2022, 5:18 PM
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It sounds like it just limits severe enough symptoms to be hospitalized.
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They are brainwashed.***
Feb 14, 2022, 7:39 PM
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