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Not excited about "Alliance"
Aug 20, 2021, 10:09 AM
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Am I the only one not excited by the Alliance? This just seems like a too little, too late move because all the other conferences thought "We better do something.. anything!!" Love Clemson, but if all the conference can come up with is a half baked "alliance" with two other conferences then we are sunk long term. We need to be exploring all options and yes that means SEC membership. I have never understood the loyalty to the ACC and hatred of the SEC when all the ACC is concerned about is basketball and we are clearly a football school. Regardless of what people say the SEC is not the devil, and Clemson would be better served in an agreement with a conference that better lines up with our long term goals.. Call me traitor, sell out , SEC homer.. blah blah blah, but at the end of the day I am right.
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Re: Not excited about "Alliance"
Aug 20, 2021, 10:16 AM
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I agree... I dont know if we have a path to get in the SEC anymore.. I mean are they really going to 18-20 teams?
But that is where we belong.. in the east.. playing UGA, UF, Florida and SCar every year. I just dont know if it ever happens.
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There never was a path to get in the SEC***
Aug 20, 2021, 1:14 PM
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If is largely a voting alliance...
Aug 20, 2021, 10:24 AM
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that keeps the SEC in check, I'm good with it.
Although, it does potentially offer some interesting future game opportunities.
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That's exactly right. The objective should be not to permit
Aug 20, 2021, 1:16 PM
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the SEC and ESPN, who weren't transparent when the expansion to 12 playoff teams proposal was hashed out, from having total control of college football. It's in everyone else's best interests and I'm sure in part it's motivated by anger and to send a message to the SEC and ESPN.
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I still maintain that 8 teams is the way to go...
Aug 20, 2021, 1:48 PM
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Take the five Power 5 champions followed-by three at-large teams which would accommodated the GO5 schools and Notre Dame. No more than two teams from any one conference can be selected.
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Orange Blooded [4982]
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Agreed***
Aug 20, 2021, 3:25 PM
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Last year, an 8-team model would have included...
Aug 20, 2021, 4:10 PM
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Clemson
Alabama
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Oregon (although it should have been Washington)
Notre Dame
Texas A&M
Cincinnati
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Re: Last year, an 8-team model would have included...
Aug 20, 2021, 8:52 PM
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A good looking lineup of playoff teams, IMHO.
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I do hope the main goal of the alliance is to stick together
Aug 20, 2021, 9:44 PM
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and keep the greedy SEC and Skanky in check. Some inter-conference games could be nice, but stick together and bloc vote against the SEC trying to take over the CFP!
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Re: Not excited about "Alliance"
Aug 20, 2021, 10:26 AM
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Win games, the rest will take care of itself. The SEC can offer all the charity they like to their perpetual punching bag schools. The SEC has been at this “throw money at it game” for more than a decade. Name the punching bag school from 10 years ago, that is not still a punching bag school today.
Money doesn’t fix stupid.
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It Is Nothing More Than
Aug 20, 2021, 10:26 AM
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a public relations ploy by these conferences to placate their respective fan bases.
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Eh, I disagree.
Aug 20, 2021, 10:34 AM
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I’m with Dabo. I prefer the collegiate model. If I want to watch pro football (which is basically what the $EC wants) I’ll watch the NFL.
If this alliance can do something to save college football as we know it, at least something close to it, I’m all for it because right now it’s going down a path I will probably lose interest in.
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Completely agree !!!***
Aug 20, 2021, 10:36 AM
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Re: Eh, I disagree.
Aug 20, 2021, 11:40 AM
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Me too! +1
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Re: Not excited about "Alliance"
Aug 20, 2021, 10:56 AM
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You have to be wanted by the SEC, and I don’t think that is the case, if they came counting, sure… Next best option is not to sit still and do nothing, you have to hedge an alliance against them, to keep them in check. I believe right now it’s our best option…. Msybe things will change, but who knows for sure?
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COOT
Aug 20, 2021, 10:59 AM
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Re: Not excited about "Alliance"
Aug 20, 2021, 11:02 AM
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First things first. This move come only after the SEC made the move to add Texas and OU to try to make themselves a "Super Conference". So, IMO, this is not a little to late move.
Secondly however, is why didn't the SEC ask Clemson to join instead of Texas? I can see OU because they are on the rise where as Texas seems to be stagnate.
Also wouldn't it seem to be more feasible to have one team that could go directly into the West(OU) and one into the East(Clemson) instead of two teams basically going into the West or where the conference has to realign.
Finally the one key thing you should be aware of is simply this; The SEC has to ask Clemson to join.
No matter what the long term goals are, if the SEC don't want Clemson, Clemson ain't getting in just because they are Clemson.
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Re: Not excited about "Alliance"
Aug 20, 2021, 11:05 AM
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Am I the only one not excited by the Alliance? This just seems like a too little, too late move because all the other conferences thought "We better do something.. anything!!" Love Clemson, but if all the conference can come up with is a half baked "alliance" with two other conferences then we are sunk long term. We need to be exploring all options and yes that means SEC membership. I have never understood the loyalty to the ACC and hatred of the SEC when all the ACC is concerned about is basketball and we are clearly a football school. Regardless of what people say the SEC is not the devil, and Clemson would be better served in an agreement with a conference that better lines up with our long term goals.. Call me traitor, sell out , SEC homer.. blah blah blah, but at the end of the day I am right.
Wondering how you know Clemson has not explored joining the SEC? Perhaps the SEC does not want Clemson. Perhaps the grant of rights for the next 15 years takes most options off the table? Perhaps the Clemson leadership believes we are better aligned with a conference who values things like education/character/integrity/personal growth rather than the only value being winning football games?
Its guys like you who dont follow things closely then jump on one path which is not available claiming it is the best without knowing details or if it is even possible.
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I have NO problem
Aug 20, 2021, 11:37 AM
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With this proposed alliance as announced today. Contrary to the opinion of many, the SEC is NOT a league loaded with powerful teams. An annual visit to Arkansas or Mississippi or Vanderbilt is no more exciting than going to Virginia or Syracuse or Boston! What the ACC needs is for FSU and Miami and Pittsburgh and the others to improve their football programs. Hopefully this proposed alliance will eliminate the Akron’s and Kent States from making the trip toTigertown. I’m much rather play Northwestern than Missouri, Go Tigers. I’ll be there regardless of which league you are in at the time. Support iptay
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Re: Not excited about "Alliance"
Aug 20, 2021, 11:41 AM
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The bottom line is- they (SEC) does not want Clemson. Clemson would come in and upset the balance of the beast.
Clemson could go and be competitive right off the bat. This would only accomplish one thing, pushing their perceived upper level teams down into the mediocre team and the mediocre level teams down to subpar and then I am not sure what you would call USC-Jr.
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Re: Not excited about "Alliance"
Aug 20, 2021, 11:55 AM
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I’m not sure that the SEC would gladly accept the Tigers into the league. Texas isn’t going to make life difficult for Auburn or LSU or most other teams in the league. Clemson definitely would and they would do it immediately. All I want to see is better scheduling and I can see that beginning to happen. Be serious. Would you rather see Tennessee come into Death Valley or Southern Cal? It’s all about tv viewers and ratings. Support The Clemson Tigers
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Exactly. That’s where his argument falls apart.***
Aug 22, 2021, 12:56 PM
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Re: Not excited about "Alliance"
Aug 20, 2021, 12:12 PM
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It's all about the money that drives these decisions. It is cost-prohibitive for Clemson to leave the ACC and go to the SEC because they are locked into the ACC contractually until the mid-2030s and would cost an exit fee in the neighborhood of 80M. The alliance drives negotiation for TV contracts and the matchups that can be put together through the alliance will rival anything the SEC can put together so it keeps the conferences and payouts to their teams fairly equitable.
No one really wanted this or saw this coming and while the alliance may not seem too exciting now, it is the best response to counter the SEC's attempt to dominate and control the college football narrative and TV contracts for years to come.
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Re: Not excited about "Alliance"
Aug 20, 2021, 12:52 PM
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I do not hate the SEC.
I dislike all the hype and attention that comes when the truth is far different. You have at any given time maybe 3 - 4 teams that could beat anybody in the country. I think at times each of the rest have had multiple teams who could claim that; though no more than 2 to 3 for the rest.
To me: that does not warrant the over-hype the SEC as a whole gets. Hype up Bama, LSU when they get lucky, Florida if they have a coach who is above the change curve or Auburn who has a coach who is above the change curve or a generational QB. Outside of that - it's all hype!
That's the 1st thing.
Next, if voters still have influence on who gets ranked. Rankings have a high influence on who makes it to the playoffs(less degree). Then if one conference gets this over-hype thrown on them - it's just not right. Wake up the past accomplishments of Miami, FSU, Pitt, GT, VT and Clemson and you suddenly have a terrific football conference. Especially if all you get is hype on top of hype.
As far as the alliance: "you have to make a move before the power movers make it impossible to get ranked or enough credit to get in the CFP". If the perception of the SEC being top to bottom daunting and good - it won't change it will only get worse since Texas and Oklahoma have joined. So, something needs to be done.
Scheduling power teams from these other conferences is one way of attacking the problem for every other team not in the SEC.
What else would you do?
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Re: Not excited about "Alliance"
Aug 20, 2021, 1:13 PM
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If the alliance allows us to somehow renegotiate our TV contract with espn i am all for it. I don't see why people are so enamored with getting into the SEC. We see the champ of the SEC each year anyway and I have no desire to go to Arkansas Missouri Mississippi Tennessee to play also-ran teams similar to what we see year in and year out in the ACC.
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I hope they tell the SEC to pound sand
Aug 20, 2021, 1:17 PM
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and dont schedule any games against them. We can just schedule ooc games against the aliance teams. The coots suck so bad that they are no more than a 1-aa whipping anyway
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Everything would change if their wasn’t an ESPN
Aug 20, 2021, 1:34 PM
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Can we really guarantee that ESPN will exist over the next year or two? This could change on a moments notice.
Sports as we know them are in for a big adjustment because of greed. My personal opinion is that ESPN may fold so everything that is in place now is subject to change when it comes to money.
What looks like gold today will be old news tomorrow? Remember the powerhouses of the 60’s, 90’s & how about the 20’s, it’s always changing. I hope & believe we stay will in a good position to have success but I do have the personal opinion every thing is about to change.
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Re: Everything would change if their wasn’t an ESPN
Aug 21, 2021, 5:25 PM
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Better competition would improve ESPN too! I agree with your post 100 per cent! A monopoly is rarely a good thing.
Guess who owns the ACC network(and others) !??
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Re: Not excited about "Alliance"
Aug 20, 2021, 3:19 PM
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Clearly a lot of opinions on this. And most of you are more than happy with the Alliance seems like, which if it is good for Clemson like most of you think then I am more than willing to admit I am wrong. But most of what I am seeing is more or less the SEC is bad and so is ESPN and this sticks it to them.. In that way some of you are misguided. A couple of you pointed out the academic integrity that Clemson has as opposed to SEC schools and I agree with that. Academically Clemson is on much firmer ground than every other SEC school except Vanderbilt and I think Florida is up there to.. so. yes agree. For those who are kidding yourselves about preserving tradition etc... that was gone as soon as the playoff started.. You are yearning for the way things were and that time is not coming back.. the old rivalries while still important to fan bases are overshadowed by how it will look in December when that win or loss is tallied. Want proof... look at the talk of Clemson and Georgia.. it is being billed as playoff elimination game. Correct me if I am wrong this game was not on the original schedule for this year but was negotiated later when playoff strength of schedule looked weak. That doesn't sound like a rivalry that was scheduled for tradition but for the ability for it to put us in the playoff. For those who think the Grant of Rights is keeping anyone around you clearly have no experience with lawyers.. there is no contract that is iron clad .. period. I have not read the contract as I am sure most of you haven't , but there is always fine print that opens loopholes. Look, at the end of the day we are all Clemson fans who want the best for our university and its teams, and I respect everyone's opinion that responded, but some of you I will just have to respectfully disagree with and hope things work out for the best.
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Re: Not excited about "Alliance"
Aug 20, 2021, 3:43 PM
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I hope that one main aspect of the alliance is controlling eSECpn rather than allowing them to control us. It is time to say enough of the obvious SEC bias at ESPN. That means saying fix it or no more contracts, bowl alliances, etc. It probably will mean finding other partners also. It is time to play hardball. They may currently control the money, but we control the content which ultimately controls their money. If it continues to be only all about the money, it won't last.
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Re: Not excited about "Alliance"
Aug 22, 2021, 12:10 PM
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You really just need to do more research and find out what the "alliance" is all about. It is about keeping the SEC in check, and putting a stop to all of this conference jumping. It does also open up the prospect of playing more inter-conference games which I think would be terrific for Clemson and the ACC.
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Re: Not excited about "Alliance"
Aug 20, 2021, 4:29 PM
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After reading the article they might as well hang a sign that says “ live, laugh, love” on the wall. Sounds about the same.
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Re: Not excited about "Alliance"
Aug 22, 2021, 8:46 AM
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Clemson will never leave the ACC. Instead of Wofford and Furman, let's play some teams from the PAC 12 and BIG 10.
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Re: Not excited about "Alliance"
Aug 22, 2021, 6:09 PM
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Frankly - I think the SEC removing several of the bottom dwellers and adding Clemson/Ohio State would dramatically improve the on the field product.
Let's be honest here. Do you consider the scores for the first 6 games last year "good football"? The reason ratings are good for the playoffs is because good teams are actually playing each other vs an entire season of 20-30 win margin for Clemson, Ohio State, Alabama, Oklahoma.
Alabama deciding to play Oklahoma in regular season is a good START to having better games in season.
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