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Orange Blooded [2669]
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Nobody seriously thinks that....
Feb 10, 2021, 1:28 PM
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The rioters that stormed the Capitol were attempting to overthrow the government right?
I hear this over and over again from crazy leftists and CNN.
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"Seriously", what were they doing...?***
Feb 10, 2021, 1:36 PM
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Re: "Seriously", what were they doing...?***
Feb 10, 2021, 2:23 PM
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Seems like most were acting a fool. Pretty commonplace in 2020.
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You can "act the fool"...
Feb 10, 2021, 2:28 PM
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And not commit federal crimes by breaking into a major government institution while attacking police and calling for the execution of public officials.
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Re: "Seriously", what were they doing...?***
Feb 10, 2021, 2:31 PM
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What were they doing? Being absolute idiots. I saw people strolling along in the chambers having conversations with cops. There was no violence at all in the capital.
People were sitting at desks and such taking pictures. Just a bunch of complete buffoons.
If there really was a group of people trying to overthrow the govt, there would have been a ton of bloodshed. But nope. It was just a bunch of idiots giggling and laughing as they were strolling inside the capitol.
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What a liar you are.
Feb 10, 2021, 2:39 PM
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I'll say it again. What a liar you are. For this:
There was no violence at all in the capital.
You know there was violence there. A cop was murdered. Other cops were seriously injured. I know you can't possibly be that stupid, so you're simply just a liar. A partisan hack who is willing to lie to defend his idiot savior EX-president.
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Re: What a liar you are.
Feb 10, 2021, 4:07 PM
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I'll say it again. What a liar you are. For this:
There was no violence at all in the capital.
You know there was violence there. A cop was murdered. Other cops were seriously injured. I know you can't possibly be that stupid, so you're simply just a liar. A partisan hack who is willing to lie to defend his idiot savior EX-president.
Inside the building they stormed. Quit being a hysterical idiot. What was outside was horrible. I’m talking about a coup attempt. I didn’t see any violence INSIDE the capitol building. Did you?
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Re: What a liar you are.
Feb 11, 2021, 12:27 PM
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Cop murdered? Wrong !!
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Re: Nobody seriously thinks that....
Feb 10, 2021, 1:45 PM
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I think most of them wanted to stop the legal process of certifying the Electoral College votes that made Biden the President.
I think many of them wanted to forcibly keep Trump in the Presidency despite the results of a legal election and thus thwart the will of the majority - and democracy.
Is that what you mean by overthrowing the government - or do you have something else in mind ??
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Re: Nobody seriously thinks that....
Feb 10, 2021, 2:28 PM
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So what was the plan to overthrow the government? Who was behind the plan? These things should be pretty easy to prove.
The only weapon I saw in the capitol was crazy #### raccoon horn man with a spear tip on his flag. He also never showed any aggression.
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Anyone trying to defend or downplay those people...
Feb 10, 2021, 2:29 PM
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Should be very embarrassed for themselves. I feel sorry for you.
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Re: Anyone trying to defend or downplay those people...
Feb 10, 2021, 2:33 PM
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Technically, you didn't do that.
Feb 10, 2021, 2:37 PM
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You downright cheered them on and later went back to delete your posts on it. And then lied about posting it. Two different posts, in fact.
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Re: Anyone trying to defend or downplay those people...
Feb 10, 2021, 4:09 PM
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Nobody is defending these people. The people and being violent and rioting and storming the capitol should all be arrested. Anybody that murdered a cop should be sentenced to death.
This was not in fact a planned government takeover, which was my point.
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idk man this looks pretty dangerous
Feb 10, 2021, 4:26 PM
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Yes, people do, and yes, they were.
Feb 10, 2021, 2:27 PM
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W T F do you think they were trying to do?
Please directly address the ones yelling to hang Mike Pence and the ones who brought zip ties and nooses.
Here, I'll help:
The rioters hoped to:
-Apprehend Pence and key Democrats like Pelosi and Schumer. Possibly even GOP members who turned on Trump.
-They planned to, at best, take hostages and make demands that Trump remain president.
-They hoped to apprehend the EC ballots.
-They wanted to stop the vote so Trump would remain president.
-They planned to, at worst, execute the people above.
Trump and Co. hoped that:
-The rioters would go too far and accomplish either the hostage situation or execution.
-They would declare national state of emergency and martial law.
Want a similar model? Erdogan in Turkey, a dictator Trump has admired. He used a "coup" as an excuse to seize more power by declaring a national emergency.
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You really think that the 20 or so
Feb 10, 2021, 2:31 PM
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people that rushed the Chamber and actually got to the floor had the capacity to haul off the Vice President and key members of Congress?
You really think that was going to happen? If so, we need to go ahead and just get rid of Secret Service and Capitol Police all together, cause its just a waste of money in your mind.
How about we blame this on inept leadership in the Capitol Police and a lack of preparedness.
You are dumber than you sound.
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That's not really the question...
Feb 10, 2021, 2:33 PM
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the question is what their intent was. That they were incompetent to carry out their intent doesn't make their intent irrelevant.
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^^ Yep ^^***
Feb 10, 2021, 2:38 PM
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Did any of those guys in the chamber
Feb 10, 2021, 2:43 PM
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have a gun? Did you see them coming in and just randomly shooting Capitol Police? Did you see the bullhorn guy waving a pistol from the Speakers seat? No.
That was not an insurgency, nor was it a coup. It was a bunch of dudes playing dress up and being mad because they feel unheard.
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Oh, so a mob of thousands is only dangerous...
Feb 10, 2021, 2:44 PM
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And can only take hostages and kill people if they have guns.
Got it.
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you forget about the Police that protect the Capitol
Feb 10, 2021, 2:48 PM
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again? They are the ones with the guns and using them on the protesters.
I just wish they would have done more of the same all year at protests around the Country. Then maybe this protest wouldn't have happened.
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See, look at you.
Feb 10, 2021, 2:52 PM
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Defending a QAnon whackjob trying to break into the chambers instead of the cop who was there to defend it. You're not supportive of police or law and order. You're a QAnon nut.
I'm starting to regret that you weren't there after all so that we couldn't use your mugshot as our new avatars.
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It doesn't matter if I think it would or not
Feb 10, 2021, 2:36 PM
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Apparently, they came closer to Pence than we thought.
And apparently some folks had a nice hand in making sure it wasn't properly secured.
Dumb, huh? Let's not forget that you cheered it all on as it happened and then later scrambled back to delete your posts. Then you lie about it when called on it. Too bad, though. Everyone remembers.
Now go ahead and threaten to ignore me again. You won't.
You know who the biggest idiots are? Anyone who supported the raid (you) and anyone who is still trying to defend these people or pretend it was just "acting the fool."
They wanted blood and they wanted to stage a coup. Period. Arguing otherwise is embarrassing partisan hackery in favor of Trump, whether a person intends to defend him or not.
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Goodness, you sure do cry a lot
Feb 10, 2021, 2:46 PM
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were you neglected as a child?
Your wanting this to be much more than it was. An intruder was shot and she didnt even have a gun. If she had come in guns a blazing, you would be justified in your reaction. But no one went into the Capitol with guns a blazing as you suggest. They came in with at most tasers and flags and costumes.
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Re: Goodness, you sure do cry a lot
Feb 10, 2021, 2:50 PM
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She was shot for breaking into the building and trying to break into the chambers after police told her to get back. She was also a whackadoodle who wanted to overthrow the government.
She deserved it. Yeah, she did.
You know why you're so adamant about defending these imbeciles? Because you supported what they did and you know how bad it looks, so you're doing everything you can to downplay the severity of the incident.
You are a shameless, partisan hack with zero integrity. None. You probably don't return your shopping cart, either. You're one of those people on a Southwest flight who puts his bag in the middle seat to keep people away during the "choose your seat" process even after the flight attendant has told everyone not to do that.
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Re: Goodness, you sure do cry a lot
Feb 10, 2021, 4:14 PM
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She did deserve to get shot. No doubt. You are in a mob storming the capitol. She was not attempting to take over the government. Two things can be correct at once.
You are hysterical loser that intentionally misrepresents what people are saying because you are either stupid, or insane.
You are unable to have a rational conversation when it involves trump or trump supporters.
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Re: Goodness, you sure do cry a lot
Feb 10, 2021, 4:42 PM
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It's difficult to have a rational conversation with people who aren't rational. People who have spent four years excusing every single god #### thing that imbecile president did. His "shoot someone on 5th avenue" comment rings true because if he did gun someone down on 5th avenue, people like you would be on this board downplaying it as no big deal or coming up with some obscure "whatabout".
You can't have rational conversations with you, or Manac, or NC, or any of the like because you aren't rational, critical-thinking, or logical people. You're driven by pure unadulterated adoration of a demagogue, something that is always alluring to weak-minded people who need a strong man to guide them.
Anyone who looks at a mob storming the Capitol by force, sees them attacking police, hears them chanting to hang the VP, sees images of them scouring the chambers with covered faces and zip ties, sees the nooses outside the building and the shirts/signs calling for civil war and revolution, and tries to argue that they weren't there to try to overthrow our government and commit violence against government officials is either a complete fool or is so blinded by his partisan love toward Trump and his perverted ideology that he can't think rationally.
Or, maybe... he's just one of them.
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People do seriously think it. No serious person thinks it.***
Feb 10, 2021, 2:46 PM
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Anyone who doesn't think it is a fool.
Feb 10, 2021, 2:53 PM
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It was very clear their intent.
But not surprised you also downplay it.
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This simply isn't true
Feb 10, 2021, 3:01 PM
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This part:
With little to no condemnation from the same folks who now have their panties all up in a big ole wad.
Plenty have condemned both, and what happened Jan. 6 shouldn't demand any sort of partisan choices. This should generate bipartisan condemnation. What happened Jan. 6 wasn't a conservative movement. It was an anti-American and anti-democracy one.
A person either does the right thing and fully denounces it, or he does the wrong thing and comes up with lame defense or dismissals of it. There is no gray area on this one.
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Yes it is, there was almost nothing said condemning various
Feb 10, 2021, 3:08 PM
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events that have happened over the course of the past half decade or so. You might get a casual, "yeah that was bad", but we weren't turning banking/phone records over to the feds in an effort to hunt down anyone even in the vicinity, or demanding a new domestic war on terror with an ever expanding definition on who qualifies as a terrorist.
Not to mention, pretty much everyone has denounced Jan 6th. Where you're seeing people break from the narrative is that they don't think it warrants a 9/11 like response. And it doesn't, the reaction has been totally ridiculous. Do you honestly think we still need all of those troops in D.C.?
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Re: Yes it is, there was almost nothing said condemning various
Feb 10, 2021, 3:13 PM
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Those incidents you described were mostly localized crimes, handled by local law enforcement, not the feds. What happened Jan. 6 was a federal crime and yes (although I know you disagree), far more serious than those other protests given what the potential end result could be.
I do agree with you that they shouldn't be targeted under terrorism laws (although I think we've already discussed this).
Not everyone is denouncing it. We have several who are offering suspicious defenses of those at the Capitol, spouting downright lies (Mountaineers), or flat out cheered it on (Manac).
And no, I don't think we still need troops. But maybe they know something I don't.
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Oculus Spirit [79400]
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Well, you've still got the Kavanaugh stuff, where the
Feb 10, 2021, 3:30 PM
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organizers were outwardly saying they're prepared to financially support people who are arrested, and encouraged people from across the country to flood the capitol in an attempt to disrupt the hearings. Is that not subverting democracy?
My larger point has always been that this sort of tactic has been normalized over the past few years, so I'm not sure why it's so shocking to people when the other side uses it too.
I think we did agree about the domestic war on terror, and IMO the troops are nothing more than a banana republic style show of force. For those worried about our image overseas, that kind of imagery really projects a very weak administration/govt. Frankly, they also seem somewhat scared of our own military. Granted, going down that rabbit hole is a bit off topic.
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Re: Well, you've still got the Kavanaugh stuff, where the
Feb 10, 2021, 3:43 PM
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There were protests outside during Kavanaugh, but they weren't successful in breaking into the building. That's the key. Their intent also wasn't to stage a coup or create bloodshed; just disruption.
Had they broken into the Capitol in a similar fashion with similar numbers and intent, I would agree with you. And remember, I supported Kavanaugh's confirmation.
Ted Nugent (shocker) sent around an image of people supposedly breaking into the Capitol during Kavanaugh, but that was later proven to be at the Wisconsin statehouse. Nugent--and those who spread it--knew it to be a lie.
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Re: Well, you've still got the Kavanaugh stuff, where the
Feb 10, 2021, 3:59 PM
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Again, key differences.
Feb 10, 2021, 4:13 PM
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1. Those inside the Capitol, although in some cases arrested for behavior, were allowed in. They could get tickets to go to the hearing.
2. Most of the action occurred at the Hart Building, where several arrests did occur. But they weren't violent nor was the intent to kill or capture any Congressmen.
3. People pounded on the Supreme Court door after pushing past a barricade, but they didn't breach the building.
4. Windows and doors weren't broke in. No one died or was seriously injured.
Those who broke the law in this case were arrested. But this was not a comparable situation.
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Re: This simply isn't true
Feb 10, 2021, 4:27 PM
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Yes. Every rational person on the right has condemned both. Unfortunately your leftist buddies say things like “antifa doesn’t exist” or “there should be more unrest in the streets”.
It’s really easy for you to say, “I condemn the antifa and BLM rioting that occurs.” That’s all you say about it. When you talk about a trump supporter riot you get so dramatic and sensationalize everything.
How come we didn’t get posts like this from you regarding the rioting and looting that happened the summer? It’s because you really don’t care.
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Re: This simply isn't true
Feb 10, 2021, 4:44 PM
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We did get posts like that from me, moron. You just don't remember em. Maybe you were too busy with your scok olemike59 (yes, that was still you).
But you have done nothing but defend the Capitol. You are not rational. And the riots over the summer weren't an attempt to overthrow Congress at the encouragement of our president.
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Re: This simply isn't true
Feb 10, 2021, 4:49 PM
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I gotta tell you....
Feb 10, 2021, 4:18 PM
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I feel the same but in the opposite direction.
I'm amazed by the number of people who shake this off as no big deal. The whole situation of a sitting POTUS lying about an election being corrupt and having a large number of people believing the election was invalid and invading Congress in an effort to stop the certification of the election....it's a big deal. There is really no other way to spin it IMO.
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Re: I gotta tell you....
Feb 10, 2021, 4:47 PM
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It's disturbing to see grown adults sitting here dismissing this mob and what they wanted as just some sight-seeing tour of rambunctious light-hearted hooligans.
It takes some seriously perverted mental gymnastics to come to that conclusion, or very thinly-veiled partisan support for them and the man who pushed it.
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Maybe they used fake video...
Feb 10, 2021, 6:43 PM
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But twice today I got in the car and heard the audio of footage from the capital and the time lines of when things were said and done, and I’ll be ###### if it didn’t change my mind about the futility of these hearings. Unless trumps lawyers have done a lot more work than it appears to get ready, I cannot imagine they are going to be as compelling.
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We had an entire political party doing similar for the
Feb 11, 2021, 9:35 AM
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duration of Trumps 4 year term, too. Hell, even some Democrats were warning about Dominion up until late 2019. I think the disconnect here is many have ginned up so much hate for Trump they're missing the forest for the trees.
In the context of say, 2013, yes it would be very shocking. After 4 years of a Russian collusion witch-hunt , protests/riots based on false narratives, fake rape allegations against a Supreme Court nominee and subsequent protests, etc. Jan 6th was par for the course.
I am not sure why this perspective is so hard for many to grasp.
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Nah. You mean "The Swamp"? The corrupt liberal
Feb 10, 2021, 3:38 PM
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elite? The establishment? The globalist? The socialist communist government? The deep state? The purveyors of fake news?
Nah, they love them some Congress, some Washington, and some cable news. It was a big rally in support of the Constitution. Yeah.
One country's terrorists are another country's freedom fighters!!!!!
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