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to a degree he is right
Mar 25, 2022, 2:16 PM
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but it is a richly leveled kind of hypocrisy coming from the most selective-hearing mouthpiece in the history of broadcast.
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All-In [42151]
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Fox News:
Mar 25, 2022, 2:33 PM
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"Der herp, the lamestream media is the real threat to free speech! So, um, we should probably find ways to curb their free speech!"
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But we repealed the fairness doctrine
Mar 25, 2022, 2:39 PM
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on first amendment grounds, and you know what happened, Morton Downey Junior and Rush Limbaugh Crawled out of the sewer and built an audience for Fox. There is no winning here.
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110%er [5675]
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Re: Fox News:
Mar 25, 2022, 2:39 PM
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Total sheep.
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cough, social media, cough..***
Mar 25, 2022, 2:41 PM
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I forgot about how all these private companies...
Mar 25, 2022, 2:44 PM
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Are somehow infringing on your First Amendment rights. Very creative work.
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you said free speech. Didnt mention the constitution
Mar 25, 2022, 2:51 PM
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Or is there only free speech in the US? Cause I hear people talking about free speech in Europe all the time. Last time I checked, they don't have the 1st amendment.
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Lemme spell this out
Mar 25, 2022, 2:55 PM
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A private company, in no way, shape, or form, can stop you from expressing yourself in public. Don't like the social media site's policies? Don't use them and express yourself elsewhere.
When you demand a private company allow you to say any #### thing you want on THEIR platform, it is YOU who is trying to infringe one someone's free speech. In other words, the company's right to dictate THEIR message on THEIR platform.
Let's test it. Do you think Crump should allow ANYTHING to be posted on here? Or are you glad he's banned certain people for saying certain things?
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I think the problem with this whole thing
Mar 25, 2022, 3:01 PM
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(and yeah, it absolutely blurs, if not completely bastardizes some traditional ideological truisms) is that the companies in question tend to generally approach monopoly status, at least when it comes to reaching any mainstream audiences.
I think the bigger question is an antitrust one more than a free speech one.
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Okay, I'll entertain that
Mar 25, 2022, 3:03 PM
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Let's say Facebook or #### or Zuckerberg's Sociopathic Empire (whatever we want to call it) buys up all social media. Twitter. TikTok. Snapchat. Everything.
How has my free speech been stifled? How am I restricted from speaking my mind? I can't do it on those platforms? Okay. I'll go another route. I can still say it without punishment.
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Wait... M e t a is a blocked Tigernet word?!
Mar 25, 2022, 3:05 PM
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Muh free speech!
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Re: Wait... M e t a is a blocked Tigernet word?!
Mar 25, 2022, 3:27 PM
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HTML, mano. Does not like that M-E-T-A tag. Thinks you're stepping on its thang, trying to ##### commands. Same reason you can't use S-C-R-I-P-T.
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Re: Wait... M e t a is a blocked Tigernet word?!
Mar 25, 2022, 3:29 PM
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LOL. And it just blanked "E-M-B-E-D" when I tried to use it. Now that's tyrannical censorship, and I will not have it.
Where is this uppity code author? I've got some sharp words for him, yes I do....
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M.ETA Tigernet....great idea(java skript btw)
Mar 27, 2022, 1:27 PM
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We could make the PnR into a game where our avatars walk around kicking each other in the balls, and rarely converse. It would not be much different than it is now, but it would have better graphics.
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Lot o points [155901]
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Like I said, I'm not arguing free speech.
Mar 25, 2022, 3:16 PM
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I'm saying if I want to say something in a very public Internet "marketplace of ideas" (forgive me for the awful buzzword), and there are effectively one or two places to do so and have a real shot at reaching a large swath of the populous, it could (COULD) be problematic.
I'm spitballing---not really all in on this idea so not too committed to debating it to the death, I'm just saying it's more likely an issue than free speech is.
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Re: I think the problem with this whole thing
Mar 25, 2022, 3:23 PM
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How do they approach monopoly status?
We have Rumble. We have Gettr. We have Parler. We have Telegram. We have TRUTH social. Well, maybe not for much longer, because it keeps crashing and even The Donald hasn't found his own network yet.
People just don't use them because they're toxic waste dumps filled with neo-Nazis and Conspiracy Psychos, and a bunch of really mean people. And your answer is, force the private businesses to open their doors to the neo-Nazis and Conspiracy Psychos?
I mean, dude. This is the front page of Parler.com. Featuring quotes from Jim Jordan, Judicial Watch, Legal Insurrection, and exposed Russian disinformation site Zero Hedge. It doesn't seem like anybody's got any problems finding a platform for their views.
https://parler.com/
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Lot o points [155901]
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I mean, before AT&T was broken up, you still had independent
Mar 25, 2022, 3:39 PM
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telcos like Rock Hill Telephone Company dotting the country, but no one would contend they nullified AT&T's monopoly status.
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Also, do you believe that it's an either/or scenario, with
Mar 25, 2022, 3:49 PM
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all of the viewpoints being censored by Twitter et al solely belonging to the fringe ideologies you just described?
Debating sex/gender classifications in the traditional sense seems to be ban-fodder now, as are healthy vaccine debates and discussions about Hunter's good old laptop.
I'm not saying I'm jonesing to dive into all those topics, but they don't seem like they're all tell-tale signs of Neo-Nazis, and if I want to discuss it on a platform with more than 5 million daily users (Twitter has 200+ million daily interactions), I'm SOL.
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Re: Also, do you believe that it's an either/or scenario, with
Mar 25, 2022, 4:31 PM
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Yeah, but it could be that Twitter's kept the user base it has because it doesn't let neo-Nazis congregate there?
Certain kinds of ugly scare people, and send them running for the hills. I mean, if you were a tavern owner in England back in the day, you could service the Englishmen, or you could service the Vikings that were there to take an axe to the skulls of the Englishmen, it was kind of hard to do both.
I imagine the Vikings were kind of miffed to be refused service. But it's hard to feel all that sorry for them.
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What part of the Neo-Nazi separation evaded your perception?***
Mar 26, 2022, 10:49 PM
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Re: I think the problem with this whole thing
Mar 27, 2022, 8:41 AM
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BS. People don't use them because they are not the monopoly and the monopoly keeps competition down by using their position of dominance to influence the market. It's the basic definition of a monopoly.
For example, say AA, Delta, United, Southwest all merge. This is fine by your logic because I can still name a half dozen tiny airlines that exist that are not the monopoly.
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and as long as they share your left wing ideas
Mar 25, 2022, 5:52 PM
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you are all in!
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Man, this private business thing is crazy!
Mar 26, 2022, 2:47 PM
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You mean they can support their own ideology and operate their business to fit that?!
That sounds suspiciously like freedom and free speech.
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"They" won't for long... Watch and learn... Ce cera... Bet.***
Mar 26, 2022, 10:53 PM
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Re: Man, this private business thing is crazy!
Mar 27, 2022, 8:42 AM
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Echo chamber: as long as it works to our benefit, it cannot be unethical much less against the law.
We get these are your operating principles.
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Still waiting for...
Mar 27, 2022, 11:31 AM
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You "free market capitalists" to explain to me why a private business can't dictate its terms of service?
I guess it's not okay if you don't agree with them.
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Re: Lemme spell this out
Mar 25, 2022, 9:23 PM
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Yes, let test it here...
I'll try several twitter-verse verboten phrases, just to see if they're allowed:
#### abortionists killing babies in the womb.
#### gender-bending f#ggots corrupting our youth.
#### the perverse religion of climate change, with its commie #ss green gods.
Did any of that get me banhammered like it would on monopoly social media?
No?
Then what say ye, Cata?
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Are you trying to tell me...
Mar 26, 2022, 2:46 PM
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That two different private businesses might have different terms of service?
What exactly do you have a problem with when a social media business tells you to agree to their terms to use it, you agree to said terms, and then you're blocked when you violate those terms?
What am I missing here?
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Lol. Do you think other countries don't have their own constitutions?
Mar 25, 2022, 3:30 PM
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Or ####### laws for that matter? Is slavery legal in Canada cause they don't have a 13th ammendment? Can women not vote in France because they don't have the 19th ammendment?
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LOL. Just no.***
Mar 25, 2022, 2:32 PM
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Re: I think this guy nailed it…more
Mar 25, 2022, 2:38 PM
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Yes indeed, but I'd expand it a bit more.
The MSM activism along with big tech (social media: FB, Twitter, Google, ...) is the big problem. They are ACTIVELY stifling free speech under the guise of "terms of service." Crock of BS.
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Private companies can't silence free speech. HTH
Mar 25, 2022, 2:45 PM
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NC_Tiger walks into a restaurant without his shoes and shirt.
Hostess: "I'm sorry, sir, but in order to eat here, you have to comply with our policy. You must have a shirt and shoes."
NC_Tiger: "You're infringing on my rights!"
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lol, you are an idiot***
Mar 25, 2022, 2:51 PM
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X, c'mon. You can barely string a coherent sentence together***
Mar 25, 2022, 2:55 PM
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spot on***
Mar 25, 2022, 2:42 PM
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Nice try, but no.
Mar 25, 2022, 4:53 PM
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Rudy Giuliani and the gang are sad because their October surprise was a dud. I went back and looked, and the NY Times did report on it... accurately. Unlike other news outlets which shall not be named, but which are just as mainstream as any other.
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