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I for one hope that evidence is found against Trump
Jun 22, 2022, 8:32 AM
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Tax fraud, undue influence on GA electoral officers, something that will sideline him from the 2024 election.
If you have it, Dems, play your cards, but stop this Travesty going on in DC…
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Re: I for one hope that evidence is found against Trump
Jun 22, 2022, 9:02 AM
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thats not the goal, if charges are filed, then a trial has to take place, then trump gets to defend, where the dems will be exposed
right now they can tell as many lies as they wish and a few will believe it
most can see right through it
dems and some Rs are frustrated that they cannot separate trump from his supporters
GoTrump!
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You must not be following these hearings closely.
Jun 22, 2022, 10:34 AM
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Trump himself pressured officials in both Arizona and Georgia to do whatever it took to find votes to alter the outcome of the election in those states. It's right there on multiple phone calls you can listen to for yourself.
That's illegal.
You seem determined to believe that Trump did nothing wrong and that this is all just an elaborate conspiracy to discredit Trump and his supporters.
Question: at what point do you start to consider the fact that Trump was lying to you about a stolen election and isn't to be trusted?
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Re: You must not be following these hearings closely.
Jun 22, 2022, 12:56 PM
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Trump himself pressured officials in both Arizona and Georgia to do whatever it took to find votes to alter the outcome of the election in those states. It's right there on multiple phone calls you can listen to for yourself.
That's illegal. No that is your OPINION. Post exactly what he said, sentence by sentence as confirmed by whatever evidence, then link content of each sentence or group of sentences to an existing statute clearly showing how it violates the statute.
That's how you determine if something is illegal. You do not get there by repeating what 10, 100, or even 100 million others "say."
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If you had watched the hearings, you would know
Jun 22, 2022, 1:45 PM
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exactly what Trump said. The phone calls were recorded.
Here is Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger's testimony yesterday:
https://youtu.be/wCBO701nt_k
The entire clip is about 40 minutes, which I assumed you wouldn't actually watch. So I found the highlights which are under 5 minutes long.
I can send you testimony from Arizona election officials if you're interested. I assume that you are not, based on your posting history.
In terms of trying to falsify election results, that's not simply my opinion. It's a crime, no matter how much you don't want it to be.
You and I both know that if Obama or Biden had done what Trump did, you and your fellow right wingers here would be all over it. You would be calling for their imprisonment. But because it's Trump, it's all just lies and conspiracy theories.
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Re: If you had watched the hearings, you would know
Jun 22, 2022, 2:08 PM
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You're right, because Democrats frequently try to invalidate
Jun 22, 2022, 3:19 PM
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election results by calling state officials and asking them to "find the votes" while claiming a fabricated stolen election narrative, resulting in thousands of angry rioters storming the U.S. Capitol.
Yep, happens all the time with Democrats.
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Re: You're right, because Democrats frequently try to invalidate
Jun 22, 2022, 5:01 PM
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He meant “look in those boxes under the table that showed up at 2am”
Assberger said “there all 100% Biden votes”
Anyway, in no way, shape, or form did he tell someone to fabricate ballots. He didn’t trust the count, just as millions of other people didn’t.
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LEAVE DONALD ALONE!!!!!
Jun 22, 2022, 9:05 AM
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oh, wait. That's Brittney.
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Re: I for one hope that evidence is found against Trump
Jun 22, 2022, 9:21 AM
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Investigating an attempt to overturn a democratic election is a "travesty". LOL. You are so broken.
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It's been 47 YEARS now...
Jun 22, 2022, 9:44 AM
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...and they STILL have NO EVIDENCE!!!!!!
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What's the "travesty" you're referring to?...
Jun 22, 2022, 9:47 AM
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the hearings?
The hearings aren't to present criminal evidence...it might happen, but that's not the purpose of Congressional committees.
And how is letting the public hear testimony (mostly from Republican officials) a travesty (If that's what you're referring to)?
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One-sided hearing. Shouldn’t non-rino GOP be allowed
Jun 22, 2022, 10:29 AM
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To question participants and more importantly, call others for testimony?
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Oh, yeah, Jim Jordan and Matt Gaetz turning this into
Jun 22, 2022, 10:36 AM
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a screaming match would definitely help things. Sorry, but your definition of "non-RINO" is way offbase these days. You guys consider Liz Cheney a RINO, and she has far more conservative credentials than Trump could ever dream of having. You don't care about conservatism anymore, you care about whether people are for or against Trump.
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It's sad how some of these Trumpers are only about
Jun 22, 2022, 10:38 AM
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hero worship for Trump, and not about having fair elections and having a government consistent with our Constitution.
They cry out against socialism and communism whenever they don't like something a Democrat does, but seem to have no problem when Trump tries to make decisions unilaterally.
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If you’re calling me a Trumper
Jun 22, 2022, 11:03 AM
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You’re not paying much attn. Judge Keller®
My problem with the hearings is they are being held ONLY to generate something positive for Dems in the Fall elections. Don’t deny this.
If the Dems were serious about putting Trump away, they would have a 9/11 type bipartisan commission or indict him now….
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Re: If you’re calling me a Trumper
Jun 22, 2022, 11:41 AM
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dems are not interested in hearing both sides
that is why it is a show trial, smear job
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It's not a trial, it's a commission presenting findings,
Jun 22, 2022, 11:46 AM
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on which the GOP chose not to place anybody who wouldn't potentially be subpoenaed. That should tell you something.
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Re: If you’re calling me a Trumper
Jun 22, 2022, 12:25 PM
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I thought you were for "law and order". Why are you disinterested in finding out the facts that involved in an attempt to overturn a democratic election, which led to an insurrection and an assassination attempt of the VPOTUS?
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You're right, they haven't seemed to care what any Democrats
Jun 22, 2022, 1:37 PM
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think about January 6th. Almost all of the witnesses they have called are Republicans.
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THE GOP IN THE SENATE KILLED THE 911-STYLE....
Jun 22, 2022, 12:03 PM
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COMMISSION.
Come on mane.
AND...the purpose of the committee is supposed to be to study what happened to inform the public and legislative initiatives if needed to fix the system. I'm not suggesting that there aren't political points being scored here...it is Congress after all.
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I was not calling you a Trumper.
Jun 22, 2022, 1:36 PM
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I was speaking generally when I referenced Trumpers.
Of course this January 6th hearing is partly political. Many things Democrats and Republicans do these days is political, which is unfortunate. However, if you think that's all this is about then that's unfair in my opinion.
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So the Republicans on the committee don't count
Jun 22, 2022, 10:36 AM
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because they aren't "real" Republicans? LOL.
Most of the witnesses who have been called are Republicans. Are they not "real" Republicans either?
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Don’t be a dummy!
Jun 22, 2022, 11:06 AM
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Of course only Pubs are being called. Why not call Pelosi to find out why the Natl guard was not on hand?
You are so biased, it ain’t even funny, JK!
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Re: Don’t be a dummy!
Jun 22, 2022, 12:47 PM
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So much deflection and desperation. Why are you, as someone who has pretended to support "law and order" not interested in finding out the facts in what led up to an unconstitutional attempt to overturn a democratic election? Is the defense of DADDY more important to you than the integrity of our Constitution? I think I just nailed it. BOOOOM!!!!
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Please stop believing anything Fox News told you.
Jun 22, 2022, 2:05 PM
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There is no credible evidence that Trump formally requested the National Guard on 1/6/21.
There is not any evidence that Pelosi refused the National Guard. In fact, if you look at the laws in place, no congressional official can block the President's call for the National Guard.
Bottom line: if Trump wanted the National Guard there, all he had to do is make it happen. He didn't. Pelosi didn't stand in his way, and neither did anyone else.
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From Turleys article below in thread
Jun 22, 2022, 3:26 PM
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Four days before the riot, records indicate the Capitol allegedly was asked if it wanted to request National Guard troops but declined. Yet The Washington Post and PolitiFact have insisted this is false. It would be useful to get the full story on what decisions were made — but House leaders appear to have curtailed inquiries into the failure to properly staff or equip officers at the scene, to erect fencing, or to call for the National Guard after the riot erupted.
House (Pelosi) curtailed inquiries about the Natl Guard. Shouldn’t that be investigated? Get your head outa the sand…
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Re: From Turleys article below in thread
Jun 22, 2022, 3:36 PM
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Please link for us the records.
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Which GOP member on the committee is a RINO...
Jun 22, 2022, 11:57 AM
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and why?
Are you claiming Cheney and Kinzinger aren't conservative? Cheney was the Chair of the GOP Conference in house.
Also, the House GOP leadership CHOSE not to participate, claiming because Jim Jordan and Jim Banks were rejected that they were taking their ball and go home. McCarthy KNEW Jorden and Banks were going to be rejected. It was a HUGE mistake.
To spin it any other way is simply BS in my opinion.
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Did the GOP get any 'strikes'? Does Saban get to tell Dabo
Jun 23, 2022, 8:05 AM
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which players he can field?
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I've intentionally stayed away from the waste of time
Jun 22, 2022, 10:51 AM
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arguments with the J6 "hearings" because it is nothing but one sided political theater. There is no one on that J6 panel that is not a dedicated anti-Trump zealot. With no dissenting voices on the committee, no legitimate cross examination of witness opinions or statements, and no opposing witness presentations - the whole thing is nothing but a Soviet style political show. Every witness is cherry picked and every presentation is solely designed to support a desired narrative - the very definition of "show trial".
Finding the truth is not afraid of examination of all facets of an issue. Likewise, finding the truth is not a one sided presentation that offers no contradictions, fails to provide the full context of the evidence, or edits evidence to portray a specific outcome. This J6 Committee is a lot of things but finding the "truth" is not what they are doing. Most intellectually honest people realize a politically motivated "stacked deck" when they see it and as such the J6 Committee will never have legitimacy for about half of the country.
I think Jonathan Turley (one of the last old school liberals) sums it up rather nicely:
https://jonathanturley.org/2022/06/13/pelosis-court-how-the-jan-6-committee-undermined-its-own-legitimacy/ Pelosi’s Court: How the Jan. 6 Committee Undermined its Own Legitimacy Below is my column in The Hill on the January 6th Committee hearings and how the Democrats undermined the legitimacy of their investigation by breaking the long tradition of bipartisan and balanced membership on such special committees. Many of us support the effort to release more information and evidence on what occurred on that day.…
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Except that it's not a trial.
Jun 22, 2022, 10:56 AM
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There's no cross examinations, opposing witness presentations, or any typical courtroom trial procedures. It's a presentation of findings. That's it. Tune in, or don't.
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It's not a fact/truth finding investigation either and it shows...***
Jun 22, 2022, 11:09 AM
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I can't fathom how you've arrived at that conclusion.
Jun 22, 2022, 11:12 AM
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What factual inaccuracies have you noted?
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He has stayed away dummy...
Jun 22, 2022, 11:58 AM
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it's clear he's stayed away and that's how he knows it is a sham!!
I can't believe you can't follow that logic!
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Re: I can't fathom how you've arrived at that conclusion.
Jun 22, 2022, 12:29 PM
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Gee... let me name a few off the top of my head...Liz Cheney selectively quoting testimony and tweets that provides a false context (See Jason Miller's rebuttal about being selectively edited and Cheney's omission of Trump's "Go home with love & in peace." from the tweet she claims directed the riot). The J6 Committee (Adam Schiff) caught doctoring texts between Mark Meadows and Jim Jordan. The J6 Committees assertion that GA Rep. Barry Loudermilk personally led a group of rioters on a January 5 reconnaissance walk-through of the Capitol complex - a completely false claim as debunked by the Capitol Police Chief J. Thomas Manger.
I can't fathom how you've arrived at the conclusion that the J6 Committee is anything other than one sided political theater staged by dedicated anti-Trump zealots. I just wonder if you would have the same feeling towards a Congressional committee of all pro-Trump zealots performing an "investigation" into all things exposed on the Hunter Biden laptop, the DNC's role in the false Russia collusion narrative, or the BLM and Antifa organizational links to riots throughout the USA.
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Re: It's not a fact/truth finding investigation either and it shows...***
Jun 22, 2022, 12:31 PM
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Just because the persecution says there facts dont make them facts either.
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Re: It's not a fact/truth finding investigation either and it shows...***
Jun 22, 2022, 12:49 PM
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Are all the Republican witnesses lying under oath?
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Re: As the saying goes
Jun 22, 2022, 4:52 PM
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“I know a lot of you will peacefully walk over to the Capitol, and let your voices be heard.” DJT
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It watches like one of those 2-hour Dateline shows where
Jun 22, 2022, 2:05 PM
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they present a point-of-view for the first 45 minutes that make you say "Oh, that guy definitely killed his girlfriend".
Then, they spend the next 45 minutes showing another point-of-view that make you say "Oh, maybe that guy didn't killed his girlfriend".
This presentations of findings is only going to present what would be shown in the first 45 minutes of Dateline. Anything that will cast doubt on any of their findings will be omitted...
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Re: I for one hope that evidence is found against Trump
Jun 22, 2022, 4:23 PM
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There is one thing you can always count on: The Democrats always ... always ... overplay their hand, and they are doing it now with the J6 (Kangaroo) Committee. I use the word, "Democrat," very loosely, as for our purpose here it includes RINO's Cheney and Kitzinger. Kitzinger has seen the writing on the wall and has bailed, and Cheney will likely have her a** handed to her in the very near future. Anyway ... before overplaying their hand with the J6 Committee, they should have remembered that old adage, "Be careful what you wish for ... you just might get it." In this regard, if they somehow magically keep Trump from running in 2024, the door will be wide open for Ron Desantis. (FWIW, the vast majority of deplorables that I know, including me, love Trump and his policies ... but would prefer that he play the role of "kingmaker" after the mid-terms and, instead, tab Desantis to run in '24. Desantis represents Trumpism and Trump's policies w/o the perceived baggage and the mean tweets.) So if the Democrats somehow prevent Trump from running in '24, it would save Desantis from having to raise and spend an enormous amount of money to run against Trump in a primary, and if he teamed up with Kristi Noem or Tim Scott as his VP (in advance of the primaries), he would be very difficult to beat. And, assuming Biden is still alive in '24, and hasn't lost even the few marbles he has left, Desantis would crush Biden by double digits. And, per Jim Clyburn, if Biden does not run in '24, Harris would be his candidate ... and Desantis vs. Harris ... well ... uh ... just LOL! So ... you have President Desantis! Keep up the good work, J6 Committee!
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