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I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 8:30 AM
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They don't give him a chance to run....he's not a plow mule, he's a racehorse. Why keep ramming him into a clog filled with O and D linemen. You wouldn't plow with a thoroughbred.
There is no where to maneuver, and he's getting beat up. Get the ball to him in the open and let him react. Frustrating to me and it must be to him. Let's don't "use him up" ramming into a pile!
Go Tigers
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 8:36 AM
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Who has he outrun? Look at his body, Shipley is a stub not a racehorse.
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 8:37 AM
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You haven't been listening to Walt. He says nobody will catch him in the open field.
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If he is the fastest guy in the team…that’s another problem***
Nov 7, 2021, 8:51 AM
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He’s not, Nate Wiggins is…
Nov 7, 2021, 9:03 AM
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Even the players will tell you that.
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 8:54 AM
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Walt also said that DJ would be as good as Trevor or DW as well. DW and TL had the ability as Freshment to run up the score on any ACC opponent under the same offensive scheme.
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 10:35 AM
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I think everyone thought that. I mean, last year, he came off the bench and broke a number of passing records as a true freshman. He threw more yards against ND than anyone has ever done. But we didn't count on UGA giving the kid PTSD and Streeter so thoroughly ruining his mechanics.
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I saw #36 for Louisville walk him down in the open field
Nov 7, 2021, 9:01 AM
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During that punt return.
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Re: I saw #36 for Louisville walk him down in the open field
Nov 7, 2021, 9:18 AM
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First it wasn’t a punt it was a kick return. And second two Louisville players had angles. I don’t care how fast you are it’s hard to out run an angle.
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Sorrry, but 36 caught him from behind
Nov 7, 2021, 9:34 AM
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Not from an angle
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Re: Sorrry, but 36 caught him from behind
Nov 7, 2021, 10:07 AM
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i will take a slow ### 75 yard kickoff return every time
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Not true. Defenders definitely coming in at an angle.
Nov 7, 2021, 4:47 PM
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Maybe CJ Spiller scores on that play.
But that does not lessen Shipley’s ability.
And so far, Shipley shows something CJ never showed. The ability to get tough yards up the middle.
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^This
Nov 7, 2021, 10:24 AM
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The dude ran one back 75 yards, injured. Pretty amazing when you think about it.
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Re: ^This
Nov 8, 2021, 9:43 PM
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And to pour salt on the wound, we didn't get any points. Not even a FG. After a 75 yard kick return.
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Re: I saw #36 for Louisville walk him down in the open field
Nov 7, 2021, 10:15 AM
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One guy has an angle so Shipley is slowing down to make contact and drive through that guy while the other is catching up. When the guy is running him down he is adjusting to other players and not running full speed.
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Shipley is also playing injured.***
Nov 7, 2021, 10:23 AM
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I heard that from a practice report also
Nov 7, 2021, 11:23 AM
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I’ve seen him get caught on the field during runs and on the kick return, so hoping that’s not true. That being said I think he’s amazing and will only get better.
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I agree, kids a good runner but he doesn’t no have break away speed that we have been hearing about
Nov 7, 2021, 8:37 AM
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He’s been injured so you have no way of knowing that***
Nov 7, 2021, 8:43 AM
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 8:48 AM
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Shipley told Qualk and Kelly nobody on the team could beat him during sprints.....
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 10:08 AM
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Yeah ..... with a bum knee.
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 9:41 AM
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Guess you haven't noticed he has only one good wheel. Have you forgotten he just came back from a knee injury.
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Tell 'em u6c coot. No one knows losing better than you.
Nov 8, 2021, 7:06 AM
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advice from an Eskimo about air conditioning
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 8:40 AM
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Yes. Yes. Yes. Been saying that all season. Ship is tough beyond his years. But DS and TE are taking noticeable advantage of his desire to win. He's certainly fast enough to get to the outside. Yet we never see a QB option that gets Ship outside and DJ blocking the end rush.
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Not to mention he is banged up right now.
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Re: Not to mention he is banged up right now.
Nov 7, 2021, 9:21 AM
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He’ll always be banged up with a weak OLine and TE running him directly into a brick wall. They tend to lean on him too much since he gives 110%. Our OJT assistant coaches and TE need a boot us their a$$.
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Re: Not to mention he is banged up right now.
Nov 7, 2021, 10:20 AM
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Yes, this right here! ^ I kept yelling last night to quit trying to run him up the middle. As long as our Oline is crap, Ship won’t get anywhere and will risk further injury. I’m worried the coaches rely on him too much and will end up Christian McCaffreying him.
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We’re doing good to block a simple dive play…
Nov 7, 2021, 8:59 AM
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We can’t block the outside. Every screen we’ve run this year has been blown up. The few times we’ve attempted to go outside it’s gone for a loss. The big runs have come when Pace, Shipley, or Mafa have bounced it outside and made something happen on their own.
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 9:17 AM
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With all due respect, if you watched the last game against FSU we did try to get some horizontal runs to the outside. Bottom line is the oline is not good enough to sustain these blocks and it is a loss or a small gain at best.
Thus the coaches seem to be just telling the oline to block your man and move forward.
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 9:17 AM
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With all due respect, if you watched the last game against FSU we did try to get some horizontal runs to the outside. Bottom line is the oline is not good enough to sustain these blocks and it is a loss or a small gain at best.
Thus the coaches seem to be just telling the oline to block your man and move forward.
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Racehorse? He’s more Merrill Hoge than Christian McCaffrey
Nov 7, 2021, 8:47 AM
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He really is more of a workhorse back.
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Re: Racehorse? He’s more Merrill Hoge than Christian McCaffrey
Nov 7, 2021, 8:50 AM
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I’m just glad he is a Tiger. I would rather play with him than against him. He will be a big time star sooner than later. Go Ship!
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Re: Racehorse? He’s more Merrill Hoge than Christian McCaffrey
Nov 7, 2021, 9:51 AM
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Shipley ran a 4.46 laser speed at Nike camp. Etienne ran a 4.33 pro trials. Difference of .13 second 13 hundredths of a second. So Etienne would beat Shiplely by only 2ft in a 40 yd dash. Both have elite speed. Better to keep ones mouth shut and let people think you are dumb than to spout off and they know for sure you are dumb. For what it is worth Christian McCaffrey is 4.49.
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Maurice Burkley runs a 4.47
Nov 7, 2021, 10:10 AM
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Look at how fast he closed the distance between himself and Shipley on that kickoff return.
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Re: Maurice Burkley runs a 4.47
Nov 7, 2021, 10:12 AM
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Angle and Ship had slowed some looking around.
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Shipley is INJURED do you not realize that?
Nov 7, 2021, 5:33 PM
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He is limping after every run.
Who cares about Maurice Buckley?
You appear to have an axe to grind.
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Re: Racehorse? He’s more Merrill Hoge than Christian McCaffrey
Nov 7, 2021, 12:23 PM
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Some guys speed translates to the game better than others for whatever reason. ETN may be only slightly faster on a track but his game speed was much higher. Doesn't mean Shipley is slow by any means, just means he's a fast guy, not an almost unnaturally fast guy like ETN appeared to be at times during games.
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Re: Racehorse? He’s more Merrill Hoge than Christian McCaffrey
Nov 7, 2021, 2:25 PM
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I gave you comparison on track that is what college coaches go by that is what pro coaches go by. Now you give me the numbers for each speed in the 40 on a field. If you can not then you are just blowing smoke or maybe smoking something.
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Re: Racehorse? He’s more Merrill Hoge than Christian McCaffrey
Nov 7, 2021, 5:11 PM
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Why would I waste any more of my time on somebody too dense to understand the difference between track and game speed?
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Re: Racehorse? He’s more Merrill Hoge than Christian McCaffrey
Nov 7, 2021, 7:02 PM
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Tell me what those reasons are that the fastest guy on a track is not the fastest guy on the field or give me an example.
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A couple of reasons ...
Nov 8, 2021, 11:13 AM
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1. In track you start out from blocks in a crouch. In track, the start is 90% of the final measurement. Your time is measured to a certain specific distance and that’s it. On the field, you’re very often still being pursued after 40 yards.
2. On the field you’re lugging along several pounds of protective equipment. Some guys do it more comfortably and naturally than others. Jacoby Ford was faster than CJ Spiller on the track, but nobody was faster than CJ on the field.
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Re: A couple of reasons ...
Nov 8, 2021, 9:06 PM
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Jacoby was faster than Spiller on the field. If you do not believe that ask CJ or anybody on the team with them. Guys race each other on the field all the time. Organized by the staff and also by individual challenges. On the present team I think maybe Wiggins would beat Shipley.
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You asked for examples ... I provided them.
Nov 8, 2021, 9:36 PM
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The examples are valid.
Whether you accept them or not is up to you.
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Re: A couple of reasons ...
Nov 9, 2021, 6:22 AM
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I do not accept that nobody was faster than Spiller on the field. And I do not accept that people can sit in the stands or watch on tv and see the difference in speed of two players 13 0f one hundredths second apart in verified speed that are not only on the field at the same time but played in different years. It is ridiculous.
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Re: A couple of reasons ...
Nov 9, 2021, 5:26 PM
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You would probably be in the minority in your opinion that Clemson ever had a player faster than CJ Spiller with the ball in his hands. If you ever saw him caught from behind in a game where he was running free, I d love to see a clip.
As for your second observation, I never made the argument you describe. The only measurement I can make from the stands is did the defender catch up to the ball carrier without the benefit of an angled approach?
But, you asked for a differentiation between track speed and football speed.
As I told you. They are very different and one can have both attributes, but what one does on the track out of crouch in a a starting block ..l quitting after 40 yards, has little to do with what happens when a player is handed the ball standing upright and has to ascertain which direction to proceed before gaining momentum, then very often is still being hotly pursued 60-70 or more yards down the field.
Track speed and football speed are just different. And it has nothing to do with observation from the stands or comparing players of different eras.
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Re: A couple of reasons ...
Nov 9, 2021, 6:23 PM
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My last statement on who was fastest on the track or the field CJ Spiller or Jacoby Ford. CJ ran a 4.37 40 which is amazing and he was among the fastest players in the country. Jacoby Ford ran a 4.28 40. Nobody we played had that kind of speed probably only 2 or 3 in the country had that speed if anyone. . The fastest 40 ever ran in the world is 4.22. Again the fastest 40 ever ran is 4.22. Spiller could not beat Jacoby on the track or on the field. Etiene at 4.33 actually was a little quicker than Spiller.
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Re: Racehorse? He’s more Merrill Hoge than Christian McCaffrey
Nov 7, 2021, 4:07 PM
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Appearance of running speed by the naked eye is influenced primarily by the length of the stride The longer the stride the slower the appearance to the naked eye and vice versa. The shorter the stride the faster appearance.
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Re: Racehorse? He’s more Merrill Hoge than Christian McCaffrey
Nov 8, 2021, 11:44 AM
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yeah, even with DJ, he takes a lot of grief for being slow, and yet, against Louisville he actually looked more confident than he often has, and he made some athletic moves when running and looked a good deal faster than I thought he was. If he gets to that point where he's just confident in what he's seeing, and gets more experience reading his lane, he'll be a darned good running qb when the need arises.
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 8:57 AM
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Uh… well He plays running back
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 9:00 AM
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Shipley is an awesome back and he is young. The more experience he gets he will learn to slow down and wait for a crease to open. Right now he is full speed into the line.
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 9:05 AM
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I've not seen the speed we've all heard about. It was made to sound like he had ETN type speed but that clearly isn't the case. He's been our best offensive player though and I'm glad we are going to have him for a few more years. He definitely has a skill set that you don't see from many freshmen. The sky is the limit with him.
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 3:47 PM
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Right he is 13 one hundredth second slower than Etienne in the forty and I am sure you can see that 13 of one hundredth second difference with the naked eye. Right.
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You guys are nuts. This kid can fly.
Nov 7, 2021, 9:05 AM
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It’s obvious
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 9:12 AM
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I agree 100% I don’t care what you call hi he is getting beat to a pulp up the middle which seems to a play or two for every series… and he will be out for the season unfortunately if this play calling persists.
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 9:14 AM
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You seem to be a mind reader. Tell me, what am I thinking right now?
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 9:16 AM
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Well he is just a freshman with an amazing line in his future. We are stacked and he is just young. He and the Oline have a great future.
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 9:31 AM
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I like his versatility. He may not be the strongest, or fastest, or shiftiest, but he is very good at all of these things. With more experience, he will become outstanding.
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 9:32 AM
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Where are his chances to have a pass thrown his way? There were posts during August camp that Ship may even take some snaps at the slot position. If you want to see why he isn't showing the speed we were told he had, take a look at DJU's limping TD. Ship throws a block for DJU, then limps over to congratulate DJU. I guess the two of them then limped back to the sideline together.
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 9:40 AM
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If the line was better, I think Shipley would be putting up ETN like numbers. Sorry but the line is garbage
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 10:30 AM
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Though I think that Shipley is a great back, I don't think he has the balance that ETN does. He may be shiftier and better with a good o-line, but he will not put up anything close to similar numbers if the guys up front do not improve. His yards are going to have to come before contact, not after.
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 2:55 PM
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Let me try to explain something to you in a few short sentences. Everyone knows that having a good running game helps the passing game. It is also true conversely, the passing game helps the running game. Etieinne was a great back maybe the best at Clemson ever. Etienne was also blessed with having a first round NFL QB all four years and NFL WRs. Because of that most teams had to play man defense and five or six in the box against Clemson. In man defense the DBs are playing the receiver and running with their backs to the ball. Now teams are playing a lot of zone against Clemson because of the inaccuracy of the QB and the talent level of the receivers. And they have six or seven in the box and daring us to throw the ball. Especially throw the ball deep. So they are playing six or seven in the box and their secondary is playing closer and are playing the ball and QBs eyes instead of the receiver. These things make it very difficult to run the ball. And more difficult also on the O line.
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 9, 2021, 6:59 AM
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He is putting up numbers like ETN’s senior year. At least as far as ground game is concerned. At this point, he is probably putting up better numbers.
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Odd… There’s a certain sympathy for Shipley that
Nov 7, 2021, 9:43 AM
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hasn’t existed for any of our past RBs.
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Re: Odd… There’s a certain sympathy for Shipley that
Nov 7, 2021, 10:00 AM
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Yes... since everyone was blaming Etienne last year and not the O-line. Gimme a break.
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What accusation? It’s just an observation..
Nov 7, 2021, 10:13 AM
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With no assumptions
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just funnin' around breezy-boy***
Nov 7, 2021, 10:24 AM
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Nov 7, 2021, 10:26 AM
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Re: Odd… There’s a certain sympathy for Shipley that
Nov 8, 2021, 6:46 AM
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Of all the stupid statements in this thread, this one takes the cake. Can you point to posts from the past that that lacked sympathy for another running back? Just one. Everyone felt bad for Etienne last year, same for Spiller when he was the entire offense. The funny thing is the opposite is true of what your infer. Everyone wanted Boulware, Muse, Turner, and Skalski replaced even though all of them have been all conference and/or all Americans.
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Re: Odd… There’s a certain sympathy for Shipley that
Nov 8, 2021, 8:57 PM
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Are you REALLY trying this angle? Anyone with eyes saw what ETN dealt with last year, Many folks just wouldn't take off their Orange colored glasses to admit that the line was not good. Had ZERO to do with what you are CLEARLY inferring.
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I really thought we’d see him split out at we more
Nov 7, 2021, 10:39 AM
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to get the ball to him more.
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 10:40 AM
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AMEN !!!
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 7, 2021, 9:28 PM
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I have been saying this all year. They aren't allowing these running back to get skinny; they're tanning them up there middle. Not off tackle, sweeps or jet sweeps. They knew the offensive line was suspect and aren't helping them with poorly called plays.
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 8, 2021, 2:09 AM
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What was ETN's longest kick off return?
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 8, 2021, 7:04 AM
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Shipley is recovering from the knee injury, also tweaked his ankle. Did anyone pay attention to his vision to follow the lanes on that return? How about his burst after catching the ball and accelerating up to top speed. We haven’t seen that on kick returns for a long time. Clearly the fastest players on Louisville had an angle to force him to the sideline.
Track speed translates to the field as the player learns the speed of the game and gets experienced running the plays. We will see a ton of big plays from Shipley. I have no doubt.
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 8, 2021, 11:49 AM
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Without Shipley we don’t win that game
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Re: I feel sorry for Shipley:
Nov 8, 2021, 10:28 PM
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Without Shipley we don’t win the last two games. People on this thread have no clue about football or are a bunch of coots. Shipley is a baller and Mafa and Pace are also excellent backs. They need better blocking from the O-line and the WR’s. Get that figured out and we have something. DJ can’t run the read option period. That needs to be deleted from the playbook. Sweeps, hand-offs, and drop back passes. That is what we have and we can win with that. Let the D do the rest. This year has been tough but grow up. We have a lot to play for still and will get better.
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