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Neff is a joke.
May 31, 2022, 4:24 PM
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Really???
You keep Brownell who has essentially done absolutely nothing in 12 years and fire Lee.
How in the world do you justify that?
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Orange Blooded [3277]
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Re: Neff is a joke.
May 31, 2022, 4:26 PM
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What has Monte done? Besides missing the NCAA tournament for consecutive years for the first time in 25+ years? Brownell has a Sweet Sixteen run to hang his hat on and he beat the Holes in the Dean Dome. Plus Brownell hasn't really fallen short of historical averages with Clemson Men's basketball. Monte was well short of historical averages with Baseball.
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Re: Neff is a joke.
May 31, 2022, 5:25 PM
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So it takes one good season to keep basketball coach forever
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Orange Blooded [3277]
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Re: Neff is a joke.
Jun 1, 2022, 10:24 AM
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Statistics, man. Clemson Men's basketball is not trending downward. It may not be where most of us want it, but it's staying close to the historical mean. Clemson Baseball is trending downward in relation to the historical mean.
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Well he did win the ACC tourney and had 40 wins a
Jun 1, 2022, 2:17 PM
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his first 3 years, but other than that nowhere near Clemson standards.
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Orange Blooded [3673]
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Re: Neff is a joke.
May 31, 2022, 4:26 PM
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tiger baseball > tiger basketball
Clownell is safe as long as he is .500 and his team shows fight with a postseason trip every couple of years.
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Baseball has more of a following at Clemson?***
May 31, 2022, 4:27 PM
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All-In [32637]
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Well - baseball has been better than basketyball ever since
Jun 1, 2022, 12:49 PM
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brownleeL got here - so there's that.
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Re: Neff is a joke.
May 31, 2022, 4:29 PM
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No more "cool name" coaches for you.
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Re: Neff is a joke.
May 31, 2022, 4:46 PM
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Apples and oranges. Find another school to support if you don't like what Clemson is doing.
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Re: Neff is a joke.
May 31, 2022, 5:29 PM
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No this is America Biden JR. We can like some of teams and give Neff hell for the mistakes
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Re: Neff is a joke.
May 31, 2022, 7:07 PM
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Wait, are you saying that firing Monte was a mistake? Really?
The fact that Brownell still has a job has nothing to do with the baseball program.
HTH
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Re: Neff is a joke.
May 31, 2022, 4:55 PM
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All you can do is compare the number - the on-field, on-court numbers - and such things as GPAs, graduation numbers, injuries, etc.
WE NEVER see the things inside the programs, the things only to which the coaches, players, and administration are privy. And, thank God, they don't share that privileged information on TNET, Twitter, Facebook, etc.
That's why ADs and Presidents are paid the big bucks - to make decision with ALL the info, not just a slice of a pie. Even then, it's a gamble: fire a guy/gal whose program is on the brink for cause or wait to see if that program can recover. Hire a new coach and start from scratch. It's a gamble - every time.
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Re: Neff is a joke.
May 31, 2022, 5:27 PM
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So glad I’m not only to know Neff’s joke
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While both of them should have been fired...
May 31, 2022, 4:58 PM
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the decision to retain CBB wasn't Neff's call.
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You keep saying this, but I haven't seen you post any
Jun 1, 2022, 10:31 AM
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evidence of this other than conjecture.
Did I miss a link or something that you shared?
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Re: Neff is a joke.
May 31, 2022, 5:23 PM
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Amen
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Re: Neff is a joke.
May 31, 2022, 5:53 PM
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Neff I is FAR from being a joke but we have a large number of comedians on T Net. Many with a low pulse ! Clemson athletics is in great hands. Support Clemson IF you are a genuine fan. Takes big bucks to be great.
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It takes any young horse awhile to get used to having the
May 31, 2022, 5:49 PM
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bit in their mouth. Now that Neff has gotten a taste of actually firing a Head Coach, and realizing that he has, and can in fact USE that power, next season should be very interesting for Clemson Basketball.
Judge Keller:
You say that Brad Brownell is a great coach who has been working with all sorts of disadvantages at Clemson, but that AD Neff is now addressing these. That means you MUST know what they are. Please enlighten the rest of us, so that we will know when to expect BB to start performing at a higher level?
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I feel like these disadvantages have been discussed a lot.
Jun 1, 2022, 12:43 PM
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The main ones are:
1. Subpar program funding, which primarily affects assistant coach salaries. Both Brownell and Neff have discussed this being an issue. As a result of our tight budget, we have had trouble hiring the assistants Brad needs, and also retaining the ones he wants to keep. Thankfully, this is something that is being addressed. You can see the progress with our hiring of Billy Donlon as our assistant. He was a head coach at KC the last few years, and we hired him away from there. His salary is around $400,000, a nice increase from what we typically pay our basketball assistants.
2. Lack of continual facility upgrades. The upgrades from 2015 were much needed, and nice, but they did not magically vault us up to having top facilities for college basketball. We went cheaper than we should've. We must continue improving our facilities, rather than waiting our usual decade-plus to address them again. Neff is already planning facility improvements for basketball, which is great to see.
I hope this is helpful.
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It's not. It's excuses. LOTS of folks do MUCH more
Jun 1, 2022, 12:51 PM
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with MUCH less . . . . see teams that made the dance all the years we haven't.
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Re: It's not. It's excuses. LOTS of folks do MUCH more
Jun 1, 2022, 2:06 PM
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Who does more with "less"? Name a P5 school that speeds less than both us and their peers and gets a better return. From a program-wide investment
(and if you name a program without a football team, well....sigh)
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So Cal - Memphis - Cincy …… last 2 power 6 but why does that
Jun 2, 2022, 2:05 AM
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have to be a criteria ?
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Re: Neff is a joke.
May 31, 2022, 6:27 PM
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So the coot is not a Neff fan?
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Re: Neff is a joke.
May 31, 2022, 7:14 PM
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Two totally different situations.
Good day.
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Re: Neff is a joke.
May 31, 2022, 9:00 PM
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Ramifications of a basketball contract way over priced with too many years left on it.....
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Re: Neff is a joke.
May 31, 2022, 9:02 PM
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You must be looking in the mirror when you see the JOKE!!
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It's hilarious that you think you can do his job
Jun 1, 2022, 10:29 AM
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better than he can.
He has been groomed for this position for the last decade. He's qualified, he understands college athletics, and he gets Clemson.
Perhaps you should trust his judgment on this one.
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Re: Neff is a joke.
Jun 1, 2022, 12:49 PM
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Apples and oranges
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Re: Neff is a joke.
Jun 1, 2022, 2:00 PM
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Really???
You keep Brownell who has essentially done absolutely nothing in 12 years and fire Lee.
How in the world do you justify that?
1st I am ready for a change at the Basketball HC position, but I will try to answer your question. The Baseball facilities are in great shape and were good when Monty got here. He really had no excuse that I can see as far as recruiting goes. He should have been very near the topp of the ACC in recruiting every year.
Brownel reminds me of the "jinx" episode on Andy Griffith, if any of you remember it. He needed new facilities, and when they announced a year before they started that remodel, that the team would not be able to play in Little John.
1. Recruiting was hurt the year before the remodel started
2. Recruiting was killed the 2 years during the construction
3. The recruiting was hurt the year coming out of the remodel completion , going into the new facility
You "could" argue that he was almost starting over after that. Add to it that he dit beat the "Holes" in chapel hill, and i think you give him this year, and hope for a turn around. I dont think it will happen, and I do think, shourt of the dance he is done.
I think Monty had very few hurdles in his way, versus Brad.
My .02 cents,
-Esso
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Re: Neff is a joke.
Jun 1, 2022, 2:02 PM
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You have no clue.
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Re: Neff is a joke.
Jun 2, 2022, 3:11 AM
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Neff made the right call—-
You will be eating those words here soon with the info I have—-Brownell is next I promise you
You fans need to calm down—-Drad was an average AD —-Neff is exactly what we need
Watch and learn
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