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CU Medallion [64536]
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WOW...the NBA just banned Sterling for life
Apr 29, 2014, 2:31 PM
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and fined him $2.5 million.
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NBA ... who cares?***
Apr 29, 2014, 2:32 PM
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NBA has a great product right now***
Apr 29, 2014, 2:33 PM
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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for me to poop on...***
Apr 29, 2014, 2:34 PM
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Heisman Winner [139900]
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I'm not touching any poop that has NBA product on it.
Apr 29, 2014, 3:47 PM
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OMG you later.
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Orange Blooded [2198]
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I really dont see the lifetime ban
Apr 29, 2014, 2:37 PM
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when the evidence was obtained illegally.
The guy is a prick and should not be an owner but at least only use evidence that is obtained in a legit way.
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Hall of Famer [22384]
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The Commissioner interviewed him and he admitted they were
Apr 29, 2014, 2:47 PM
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his words and his sentiments or so the commissioner implied.
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All-In [29036]
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That would be true
Apr 29, 2014, 3:01 PM
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If it were a legal case.
This isn't a question of how evidence in a court case was obtained, wherein if it is found to be illegal it must be ignored.
This is a civil issue between two contracted parties, they have no legal responsibility to abide by the rules of evidence as they pertain to court cases.
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110%er [7157]
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the guy is a definite idiot, liberal, democrat but
Apr 29, 2014, 2:37 PM
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that is a knee jerk if i ever saw one...
so we're taking down businesses of business tychoons for undercover private casual conversations that rub people the wrong way.
How many business owners are shaking in their boots after this one. All it takes is a couple of drinks, a talking point, and an iphone recorder and you too can take down Bill Gates....ask him an opinion on a taboo subject and get paid by TMZ.
Never will condone or agree with Sterlings thoughts but don't agree with the severity of this punishment and i don't see how its legal. My guess is Sterling in the end is going to win a legal battle and end up winning in the end unfortunatly.
The best way would have been to boycott the product and make him sell because of lost money. Capitalism folks not Communism...which is what this is...just take it away because he said a bad word....borderline Nazi.
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Orange Blooded [3422]
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Re: the guy is a definite idiot, liberal, democrat but
Apr 29, 2014, 3:41 PM
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It's frustrating when people act as if sports teams are just the same as normal companies. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The NBA and other professional leagues are a legal oligopoly with a single governing body. Barriers to entry make it impossible for another "company" to enter unless approved by the other owners. Also, given the nature of sports, there is not a large amount of competition for consumers in the USA. If you're a team in a city, it's yours for the most part. It's unlikely many people in Washington cheer for the T-Wolves, nor do they root for different teams on a yearly basis based on success, etc.
In a true business environment, if something like this was said, consumers could choose to stop consuming the product of a company. Sports doesn't allow that. If something happened involving a giant scandal at Clemson, are you going to start rooting for South Carolina or Georgia? Obviously not. Sports allegiances are often born into and life-long in their stature.
Additionally, his actions are costing the league as a whole money via sponsorship and loss of reputation. In a traditional business environment, if a company does something wrong, competitors benefit. In the pro league model, all are punished. For those reasons and more, this isn't an actual business, and this isn't borderline Nazi (what a ridiculous thing to say). It's an example of what is effectively the leader of a cog of a larger machine being forced out for acts detrimental to this machine.
I don't like how this information was collected, and think the woman who did it deserves punishment. But we're not turning into Nazi Germany. Relax.
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Re: WOW...the NBA just banned Sterling for life
Apr 29, 2014, 2:37 PM
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Screw the NBA and their egotistical a-holes!!!!
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110%er [9174]
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He looks to sell at 5000% profit
Apr 29, 2014, 2:38 PM
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I would love to watch the reporter ask him if he cares (about the ban).
-Tesla
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: He looks to sell at 5000% profit
Apr 29, 2014, 2:41 PM
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Do NBA teams have shareholders?
What's stopping him from liquidating as much as possible and then sabotaging everything else that has to do with the club?
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CU Medallion [64536]
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He paid $12.5 million for the Clippers in 1981
Apr 29, 2014, 2:48 PM
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To my knowledge, there are no other shareholders.
If forced to sell, the team would likely sell for something in the $500 million to $600 million range.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: He paid $12.5 million for the Clippers in 1981
Apr 29, 2014, 2:53 PM
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My question is how can he be forced to sell?
I'm not keen on the laws that govern these organizations obviously. Despite how dumb his comments were, I find it bizarre that you can "force someone to sell" anything that's theirs.
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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This is 'Merica
Apr 29, 2014, 2:54 PM
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lawyers will find a way to make him sell it
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CU Guru [1366]
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He is a lawyer, a #### good one I hear. But there's a rumor
Apr 29, 2014, 3:15 PM
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that this was a setup by Magic Johnson (who already owns a 4.5% share) and wants to buy the team out. Price is dropping by the day. Media's taking the public for a ride in my book.
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CU Medallion [64536]
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I'm not sure they can force him to sell....
Apr 29, 2014, 2:58 PM
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The ban simply means that Sterling himself can't attend games or practices or participate in business or player personnel decisions. Of course, his GM could still do all of these things.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: I'm not sure they can force him to sell....
Apr 29, 2014, 3:00 PM
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This whole things just reeks. Based on the circumstances surrounding his comments (private phone recording of an argument with a gold digging ##### leaked to the media), I don't think there's a single judge who would be able to take serious action on it.
Thanks for clearing up what "ban" was. All the articles I've read say he's been banned, but don't mention what that entails.
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totally agree***
Apr 29, 2014, 3:23 PM
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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The NBA bylaws can revoke his franchise rights
Apr 29, 2014, 3:50 PM
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if enough other owners agree to it. I'm not sure exactly what that would mean and what legal action it would require. But that was mentioned on ESPN radio earlier. Apparently that has to be done by the owners and the NBA office/Silver doesn't have that authority on their own.
I guess in theory that if they asked him to sell, the NBA could just not schedule the Clippers any games.
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All-In [29036]
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Right
Apr 29, 2014, 3:51 PM
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It sounds as if the rules are such that they can't make the team not exist, but they can certainly make the team no longer exist as part of the NBA.
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All-In [29036]
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I'm just guessing here
Apr 29, 2014, 3:08 PM
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But imagine the "forcing him to sell" course is really just threatening to not continue the charter the team has with the league (based on some rules they have in their charter) that would effectively cause the team to be worth nothing, if he decides to remain owner.
It is much the same rules that are in place that force the NBA as a whole to approve of new owners and approve of sales of teams, etc.
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110%er [5627]
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Heck .. if what he says is true then he will prolly like the
Apr 29, 2014, 2:41 PM
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ban ... especially after making a boat load of cash !!
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Commissioner [933]
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Re: Heck .. if what he says is true then he will prolly like the
Apr 29, 2014, 2:54 PM
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Sterling is a million years old and will never have to worry about money, I don't know how much he cares about the clippers or the nba...but if he did, ouch.
The last time we saw a ban like this was Pete Rose. What he said was unethical, yes...but not illegal or. It was racist, but there is a difference in being racist and discriminating based on race. Racism will be here and has been around for all of time. Discrimination has taken a steep decline, you could argue women's job/pay equality is bigger than discrimination.
This new commissioner is trying to come in and assert his authority. You could tell he was nervous.
If Sterling pursues this from a legal standpoint he will come out on top. Otherwise it's only a matter of time before people are losing their status in life and job due to their personal opinions. Is that the America we are moving towards?
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Live by the sword, you get mule-kicked in The Jimmy.
Apr 29, 2014, 2:41 PM
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He messed with the wrong girlfriend. 
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Orange Blooded [4142]
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Re: Live by the sword, you get mule-kicked in The Jimmy.
Apr 29, 2014, 4:27 PM
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> He messed with the wrong girlfriend.
That sums it all up T - Man . It sounds you have experience , yourself .
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CU Guru [1052]
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Re: WOW...the NBA just banned Sterling for life
Apr 29, 2014, 2:44 PM
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Women have no depths or shallows in the money pool.
One gross looking woman should be publicly acknowledged for life as a wh0re and incapable of walking across public streets without receiving pointed fingers.
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Re: WOW...the NBA just banned Sterling for life
Apr 29, 2014, 2:53 PM
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I do not condone his behavior. I think he is a despicable POS, however, isn't this America where free speech allows people to express their own opinions? I don't see how they can ban him for life, fine him nor force him to sell his business all because of some offensive comments. He didn't break any laws, just used bad judgment. At the same time, the players, advertisers and fans are free to spend their money/time on something else not associated with the Clippers. I don't expect him to go down without a fight.
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Connoisseur [385]
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I don't understand this argument.
Apr 29, 2014, 3:01 PM
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Yes this is America. If he wants to sit on his billions as a citizen and make whatever comments he wants then he is more than able to do that without recourse. The problem here comes in when you work for or within a private organization (NBA). When you do that and then make those same comments you are subject to punishment under their rules and regulations.
Adam Silver is not just the commissioner of the NBA but he is also an experienced litigator and I'm sure the NBA employs some of the best lawyers in the country. If they didn't feel they were well within the NBA bylaws to do this then they would not have. In saying that, Donald Sterling is also an experienced and well thought of litigator and if he wants to go down with a fight he is certainly able to that because as you said, this is America.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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THIS***
Apr 29, 2014, 3:16 PM
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Do you really think 2 days is long enough to see ALL of the
Apr 29, 2014, 3:28 PM
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facts? This is Merriam-Webster definition of knee-jerk.
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Re: I don't understand this argument.
Apr 29, 2014, 3:36 PM
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regardless of the rules and regulations he may or may not have been bound to...his comments were made in private.
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Simpy doesn't matter
Apr 29, 2014, 3:39 PM
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He made them.
They became public.
He will now have to deal with the flack that comes his way.
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I thought we all brushed up on the First Amendment during
Apr 29, 2014, 3:36 PM
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FFRF-Gate.
He has a contractual relationship with a private entity. This isn't a free speech issue...
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A one year suspension would have been appropriate
Apr 29, 2014, 2:54 PM
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This is rediculous. Sterling has proven in the past to be an aggresive litigator. I hope he sues the NBA. I even hope he wins, despite the fact that he is a disgusting individual.
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CU Medallion [64536]
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Donald Sterling is absolutely a racist and a bigot....
Apr 29, 2014, 3:02 PM
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but I do think the lifetime ban is a overzealous kneejerk reaction to the public outcry. I also don't think you can use his opinions and views, no matter how deplorable, as the basis to force him to sell his NBA franchise
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110%er [6219]
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Re: Donald Sterling is absolutely a racist and a bigot....
Apr 29, 2014, 3:09 PM
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True, but a lifetime ban for this guy is probably equivalent to about 3 years.
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110%er [5627]
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just another black ......... EYE ....... for the league***
Apr 29, 2014, 3:14 PM
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Swofford just added one year to that lifetime ban.......***
Apr 29, 2014, 3:40 PM
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All-In [27366]
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Fine a man for what he said in a [supposed to be] private
Apr 29, 2014, 3:41 PM
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conversation?
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All-In [29036]
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No
Apr 29, 2014, 3:48 PM
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You fine him for saying something that found its way into the public sector and that insulted a large portion of his employees and fanbase and potentially cost the parent organization money in so doing.
And you do so based on the rules that he agreed to to buy into an organization that has made him tons upon tons of money.
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Re: No
Apr 29, 2014, 10:01 PM
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So there's a rule that says you can't say what you want in private?
You're acting like he he said this in an interview or tweeted it.
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Re: No
Apr 29, 2014, 10:05 PM
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If there was no recording of what he said but there were employees of his that would testify he said these things I would be more ok with the ban than what this woman did.
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Orange Blooded [2533]
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Why WOW
Apr 29, 2014, 3:44 PM
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He's over 80 isn't he?
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Octogenarians should get away with whatever they want
Apr 29, 2014, 4:00 PM
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Not surprising. But absurd***
Apr 29, 2014, 4:05 PM
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All-In [29036]
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Business decision, plain and simple.***
Apr 29, 2014, 4:13 PM
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Re: Business decision, plain and simple.***
Apr 29, 2014, 8:13 PM
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i don't have a problem with that
...if they were honest about it
but they are scared and as long as people/organizations continue to cave, jerks will pile on for their own benefit
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