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All-TigerNet [14921]
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Do we have to go through this stupid "wasting scholarships
Apr 15, 2015, 4:31 PM
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on legacies" crap again?
Can we all agree that the one thing this staff does unquestionably good is recruit? Good.
I can show you a 4-or-5-star-next-big-thing who ended up not doing anything at Clemson for whatever reason and just as many 3-or-less-star guys who ended up being BIG contributors and often NFL guys.
Remember these guys?
Darius Gaither (4 star)
Scotty Cooper (4 star)
Willy Korn (4 star)
Markish Jones (4 star)
Spencer Adams (4 star)
Marquan Jones (4 star)
Kenneth Page (4 star)
Bryce McNeal (4 star)
Desmond Brown (4 star)
Mike Bellamy (5 star)
Cortez Davis (4 star)
Lateek Townsend (4 star)
Zac Brooks (so far) (4 star)
Chad Kelly (4 star)
What about these?
Michael Palmer (2 star)
Andre Branch (2 star)
Chad Diehl (3 star)
Coty Sensabaugh (2 star)
Rashard Hall (3 star)
Jaron Brown (3 star)
Spencer Shuey (3 star)
Vic Beasley (3 star)
Bashaud Breeland (3 star)
Grady Jarrett (3 star)
Adam Humphries (2 star)
DJ Reader (3 star)
Wayne Gallman (3 star)
The truth is, star ratings are a fun thing to follow (when we're hauling them in) but they're irrelevant once a guy sets foot on campus. Our staff has swung and missed on some "blue chip" guys and hit some home runs with guys that the recruiting services either missed, misevaluated, or underestimated.
I trust this staff to evaluate talent.
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Had to give you a TU for 10,000
Apr 15, 2015, 4:40 PM
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But I do disagree with your post. I understand 2 and 3 stars can be great players, but I think people often get worried that the legacy recruits didn't earn the scholarship themselves, that it was their dad who did. If a two star is a better player than a four star, I trust the coaches in seeing that, but we need to be careful that we don't just offer because of a kid's family
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All-TigerNet [14921]
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Thanks. Most of these legacy guys get offered
Apr 15, 2015, 4:41 PM
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greyshirt or preferred walk-on spots.
The staff wouldn't throw the offers out if they weren't confident the numbers would work.
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Head Coach [774]
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I'm aware we give them those, but I can see why some fans
Apr 15, 2015, 4:44 PM
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Would get nervous about giving them scholarships. As long as we develop them into great players, I don't care who we offer!
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Orange Blooded [2762]
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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But but but
Apr 15, 2015, 4:41 PM
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what will we talk about in the dog days of summer now?
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All-TigerNet [14921]
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Purple helmets, firing Leggett, the Oculus, etc.
Apr 15, 2015, 4:43 PM
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Same things we always talk about
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Orange Blooded [3427]
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Great post
Apr 15, 2015, 4:41 PM
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Glad we hit on Sensabaugh, Branch, Palmer, Humphries, Grady, etc. Player development is huge and stars don't mean sh!t when it comes time to grind in the weight room, class room, etc. I trust our coaches too. They know what kind of player they're getting.
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Orange Blooded [2762]
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Dabo could scholly a raccoon and we should be fine with it.
Apr 15, 2015, 4:47 PM
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Some folks would beech about a free lunch. We've never had it so good.
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Sometimes this forum needs
Apr 15, 2015, 8:25 PM
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A nice healthy dose of 'IF IT AINT BROKE, DON'T TRY AND FIX IT!'
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Orange Blooded [2762]
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And a healthy dose of recognizing great fortune when one
Apr 15, 2015, 8:32 PM
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has it. Which makes me lose my mind thinking about what the likes or hernandez and peterson are thinking. Living the dream...sigh
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All-In [40925]
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I don't see any legacies on your list?
Apr 15, 2015, 4:51 PM
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I'm not sure how bigtime 3 star recruits with multiple offers are supposed to match up with legacies with no offers
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All-In [40925]
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I wasn't saying all of the guys on his list were bigtime
Apr 15, 2015, 5:14 PM
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three star recruits. Some of them are, some are not. I'm sure that all the legacy recruits would have been offered scholarships anyway. There offer had nothing to do with their dad. But the list provided had a few bigtime 3 star recruits. There is a difference.
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Re: Do we have to go through this stupid "wasting scholarships
Apr 15, 2015, 4:55 PM
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Why didn't you include the 2-3 stars that didn't do a thing at Clemson or the 4-5 stars player that did a lot of good things at Clemson
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Yes - some people like to hear themselves type ....
Apr 15, 2015, 4:55 PM
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and ##### and moan incessantly about thinks they no little of.
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Orange Blooded [2965]
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Re: Yes - some people like to hear themselves type ....
Apr 15, 2015, 5:39 PM
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Know. Not no. Don't you hate when you do that? Lol
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Re: Do we have to go through this stupid "wasting scholarships
Apr 15, 2015, 4:57 PM
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Re: Do we have to go through this stupid "wasting scholarships
Apr 15, 2015, 5:33 PM
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Seems like we could save an old thread and plug in the applicable names. It would save everyone time and trouble.
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Orange Blooded [2762]
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The "Mad Libs" of tnet. Brilliant idea***
Apr 15, 2015, 6:14 PM
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I like the "star" ratings, as they are a good general
Apr 15, 2015, 6:11 PM
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indicator of who is recruiting successfully and who is not; in fact, they are the only forward looking indicator we have, flawed as it is. Having said that, I trust our coaches when they bring in legacy recruits or gray shirts and such. If we were sucking in recruiting and on the field, then there may be reason for concern, but we're not; in fact, we are building a powerhouse football program with recruiting. Our staff has proven time and again that they are capable of recruiting head-to-head with the best out there - and winning their fair share; therefore it would be absurd to question much of anything they do.
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Re: I like the "star" ratings, as they are a good general
Apr 15, 2015, 6:14 PM
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Does anyone know where Lateek Townsend ended up ?
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Re: Do we have to go through this stupid "wasting scholarships
Apr 16, 2015, 8:08 AM
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No doubt!
Great list you made:
Michael Palmer (2 star)
Andre Branch (2 star)
Chad Diehl (3 star)
Coty Sensabaugh (2 star)
Rashard Hall (3 star)
Jaron Brown (3 star)
Spencer Shuey (3 star)
Vic Beasley (3 star)
Bashaud Breeland (3 star)
Grady Jarrett (3 star)
Adam Humphries (2 star)
DJ Reader (3 star)
Wayne Gallman (3 star)
Look at the Horned Frogs. Once I think they had a "4 star" and dismissed him.
Who wants them on their sched this year?
There are 4+ million seniors graduating from high school this year.
Many thousands of them play football. Several thousand are very, very good.
There is no way for them to be accurately ranked by any service's "star" system.
It comes down to recognizing talent, finding the right fit for the right team at the right time, and good coaching.
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Re: Do we have to go through this stupid "wasting scholarships
Apr 16, 2015, 8:23 AM
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The posters arguing USC is in ruins because of our recruiting aren't going to like this logic.
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110%er [5434]
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Re: Do we have to go through this stupid "wasting scholarships
Apr 16, 2015, 8:46 AM
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You are in ruins because of who you are!!!! SEC east WAY down and you fell like a rock
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