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I don't like the deal,
Sep 13, 2012, 8:51 AM
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I don't think there's any possibility of ND joining in football (unless the playoff changes to conference births and I don't see that happening) and I don't think this will help the football schools (Clemson, FSU, GT and VT), Clemson, GT and FSU in particular due to permanant SEC rivals.
With that said, I've decided to simply be optimistic about this and hope it works out. There are some positives, I just think they are all speculation and potential. Here's hoping for speculations and potential to actually amount to something. Go bee bee heads.....I refuse to do the ACC chant....
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Re: I don't like the deal,
Sep 13, 2012, 8:54 AM
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Me either but I've moved on.
I'm interested to see how they get scheduled and when they actually can exit the BE. also want to see how their transition costs and exit fee is handled.
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ACC chant has been dead in me since the ACC probabtion
Sep 13, 2012, 8:54 AM
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sanctions on Clemson in the 80's.
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Re: ACC chant has been dead in me since the ACC probabtion
Sep 13, 2012, 9:15 AM
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Yep, and I'm still wondering how we got so cozy with the nips and crouts.
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Re: ACC chant has been dead in me since the ACC probabtion
Sep 13, 2012, 10:28 AM
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Crouts? LMAO, we have a new one! Was it over when the Crouts bombed Pearl Harbor?
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ND doesn't add much to the conference the day they get in
Sep 13, 2012, 8:56 AM
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They help out with the scheduling and increasing SOS and guarantee national content for the ACC/ESPN TV deal.
But their upside is huge. We don't know how this will play out until around 2015 or 2016. With all the changes coming to their TV contract, ACC/ESPN/ABC TV contract, plus the BCS changes, getting ND even like this is better than them making the same deal to the Big 12 or Big 10.
But you have to believe that there was some sort of backroom deal or a wink-wink-nudge-nudge agreement over football.
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Re: ND doesn't add much to the conference the day they get in
Sep 13, 2012, 9:01 AM
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But you have to believe that there was some sort of backroom deal or a wink-wink-nudge-nudge agreement over football.
As it currently stands, there are absolutely no reasons at all that ND would give up its independence....
There may have been some wink wink going on from ND but I believe it would be like this scenario:
"Hi babe, can I buy you a drink? You're such a sweety I could marry a girl like you."
Next morning:
"Thanks babe, it was great. Don't call me, I'll call you. We'll talk about forever" --leaves $3 on the dresser....
Babe ends up with an STD....
In my mind that's what just happened to the ACC.
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Re: ND doesn't add much to the conference the day they get in
Sep 13, 2012, 9:03 AM
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So much for you taking a wait and see stance. LOL
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Re: ND doesn't add much to the conference the day they get in
Sep 13, 2012, 9:07 AM
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I'm a work in progress.
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Re: ND doesn't add much to the conference the day they get in
Sep 13, 2012, 10:12 AM
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LOL
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We aren't talking "currently" and we can't measure it today
Sep 13, 2012, 9:13 AM
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They wont get into the ACC for another 27 months. By that time, the entire landscape might have changed. With ESPN getting another guanranteed 3 national games, the ACC can use the contractual look ins to generate more money.
By 2015 we will have the BCS straightend out, ND might have no choice but to be in a conference (technically they represent independents and not ND at the BCS table, there might not be any major independents left by then).
If other conferences are getting $20-25 million per team, can NBC even afford to offer ND that kind of money for just 6 or 7 games a year. Does ND generate ratings to the tune of 2.8 to 4.1 million PER GAME? That alone could force ND into a conference or NBC to start carrying ACC games.
To use your dating analogy. You have 2 options for the prom. One is stay at home by yourself the other is taking the good looking but prudish girl. One way there is absolutely no chance of going home with a big smile, the other is a 50/50 you bag a hottie. Sure the chick will cost you some money in dinner and tux rental, but at least there is a chance...
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Re: We aren't talking "currently" and we can't measure it today
Sep 13, 2012, 9:26 AM
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I understand your logic and hope you're right...
But NBC is already paying 15 mil for 6-7 games. That isn't going to change. ND will still have 6-7 home or neutral site games in this new deal. The current deal is between 2-2.5 mil per game. And by the time the deal ends it will be old. It will go up just like all other contracts have. If NBC went up to 3 mil per game, that's 18-21 mil a year for ND.....
Ratings have been falling and NBC may say to heck with you.....OR, now that ND has 5 games vs ACC plus their usual rivals Michigan, USC, Mich State, Purdue, Navy....NBC could go up to 3 mil per game or even more.
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Thats the roll of the dice
Sep 13, 2012, 10:07 AM
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the ACC could end up helping ND stay independent as much as the 5 games could help the ACC negiotiate TV money.
At least for now, I'd rather have ND committed to being an independent affilliated with the ACC than them making the same deal with the Big 12. Since ND is private I don't know if we will ever see the agreement with the ACC to know if there penalties if they don't bring in football or ways to kick them out if the deal turns sour to the ACC. But there are 50 million reason why the Big 12 is now on the clock. If this was a boxing match, the ACC just delivered a knock-down blow, we don't know if it is a knock out shot though.
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Re: Thats the roll of the dice
Sep 13, 2012, 10:11 AM
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The only way this helps the ACC while ND stays independent is if the ESPN contract goes up by at the very least 3mil per team per year....
That's a lot of money for 2 games one year and 3 games the next for maybe a ND vs Wake, UVA and VT.....
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How many ND games does ABC/ESPN get on average?
Sep 13, 2012, 10:26 AM
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They have contracts with most other leagues. Does ESPN already have signficant access to ND road games? If not, 2 to 3 games might be worth it if there is a good ACC network game that is ND vs FSU/Clem/VT/Miami/GT.
I bet ESPN is going to be very active in the scheduling of those 5 games. They won't let ND get all the home games against the big boys and junk games on the road.
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Re: How many ND games does ABC/ESPN get on average?
Sep 13, 2012, 10:28 AM
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That's the thing, ESPN isn't getting 5 games. They get 3 max...
ESPN already gets a couple games a year when ND goes to Mich, Stanford, USC Purdue etc.
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What did the ACC really give up for this deal to take place?
Sep 13, 2012, 11:40 AM
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Notre Dame's football program would be the same with or without us. Honestly I'm surprised the little we did give up is being nitpicked so much.
All we did was add ourselves some good non conference games, help with our bowl tie ins, get great exposure, and add some money on top of it.
What'd we give up? At WORST a bowl game? a home game? Outside of a chick fil a bowl appearance it wouldn't even cost the ACC $ b/c not having to pay for the travel expense like the ACC does would make up the lost revenue. Odds are though our bowl options get much better when they reup 2014 and it will be thanks to the Irish.
People on here have been furious over the 9 game schedule and the lack of playing bigger names. Even if we stay at 9 or don't play neutral site, we'll still get a home and away with the Irish. Only every 3 years too. Who wouldn't want that?
We're gonna make money off this deal, but even if we hardly made anything, isn't something better than nothing?
That hotdog stand outside your restaurant is gonna do its thing and make money whether you want it there or not. Even if it won't join you, why not make an arrangement with it and make some money off it if you can? Doesn't cost you anything. Neither does Notre Dame!
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Correction/clarification on the bowl game
Sep 13, 2012, 12:00 PM
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Seems what I had was wrong before, this is more current and updated.
Notre Dame will share 1/15 of the secondary bowl revenue with the ACC. Last year that would've equaled around $1 mil. They will not share any BCS $ they would earn b/c they are not apart of the ACC's BCS deal and the ACC would not share their BCS earnings with the Irish.
On the positive side, bowl reups will happen in the 2014 cycle and Notre Dame is sure to help add better bowls with better payouts. They also would *hopefully* be adding an extra bowl team to the ACC's lineup each year helping to earn extra income.
I still think that ends up helping the ACC though.
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ND has more fans that any SEC team.
Sep 13, 2012, 8:57 AM
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I can't wait to get 3 million Catholics hating on Clemson. That'll put all the protestants on our side.
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Re: ND has more fans that any SEC team.
Sep 13, 2012, 9:00 AM
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ND has lots of fans. they arent all Catholics and all Catholics aren't ND fans. Lots of them pull for other schools. Many dislike ND intensely
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Re: ND has more fans that any SEC team.
Sep 13, 2012, 9:03 AM
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I think I covered that before you got out of bet this morning. 
I was poking fun at people who can't differentiate between God's love for players and coaches and His indifference for Universities and football teams, bra.
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Football teams have a
Sep 13, 2012, 9:07 AM
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bra?
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Re: I don't like the deal,
Sep 13, 2012, 9:07 AM
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Realistically, they did half-way join in football. Maisel is right in saying they gave up nearly half of their independence. They're 7-5 independent now. Maisel thinks it's inevitable they'll come on board fully. How long that takes is the big question. But the fact remains ND is the last viable independent and even they have realized the benefits of conference affiliation outweigh the pluses of independence.
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Re: I don't like the deal,
Sep 13, 2012, 9:14 AM
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That's the thing. I think the 5 games enhances their ability to stay independent as Kelly stated...they have everything they need now from money, tv, bowl and SOS and rivalries....only way they give that up is if the playoff changes to give automatic qualifiers to conferences. For example, if it goes to 8 teams and 6 are conference births and only 2 are at large. I could see ND joining then. But I don't see that happening. they would have to give a birth to the big east or some other sorry conference.
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On the rivalries thing
Sep 13, 2012, 9:19 AM
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ND is very dependent on other conferences for their rivals. With the changing landscape I find it hard to believe that they will be able to keep BOTH Southern Cal and Stanford from the PAC 12 and Michigan, Michigan St and Purdue from the Big 10+2. If either one of those conferences expand, ND loses a huge chunk of their schedule. They would probably only fight to keep USC and Michigan.
ND probably saw the writing on the wall there. Can't fault them for being proactive. If they lose 2 or 3 of those teams through no fault of their own, they just filled them with 2 or 3 teams from the ACC.
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Re: On the rivalries thing
Sep 13, 2012, 9:29 AM
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Why those teams drop ND? Will we drop USCjr? Of course not. The Mich vs Alabama and the USC vs Cuse will be the games that are dropped...
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They might drop if there is expansion of their conference
Sep 13, 2012, 10:11 AM
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or if expansion makes it harder for them to schedule.
The PAC 12 is already going to a 9 game schedule. Standford might have a hard time making a home/home with ND if others do the same.
The Big 10 landscape could also change.
USC and Michigan to ND is the same as our game with South Carolina. Those 2 are always going to be protected in ND schedule. Those other games are rivals in the way that UNC was our rival. Sure we hate them, but big deal if they go away.
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The one game they didn't mention preserving was the Michigan
Sep 13, 2012, 10:30 AM
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game. They didn't commit to keeping the yearly BC game either, but they at least touched on it. They mentioned the USC game, and one or two others. There are still hard feelings for the snub a hundred years ago there I think.
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Re: 5 conferences/ 3 at-large***
Sep 13, 2012, 9:30 AM
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I could see them joining in that scenario as well...
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