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Sky News
Nov 11, 2021, 7:36 AM
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Watch it if you can Catahoula®. It's important to see all the snippets on MSM by top political leaders. You can take this entire sequence of events, extract key terms Russia, dossier, etc. and replace them with the fake issue du jour, and this is what the left looks like.
Current example: Rittenhouse. Dozens of stories, hours of stories/broadcasts of holier-than-though libs wailing about the mad killer Rittenhouse and how guilty he is.
Older example: school boy and Indian in DC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH0hmpT2zmo
I just wonder - are you guys remembering all the bullchit you bought into that turned out to be bullchit? Why do you keep falling for it?
And, don't talk about Qanon. Is mainstream conservative content supporting and proliferating Qanon-like stories? No they aren't. It's a big difference when you have complete and utter fake news propagated by 98% of the top leftists (politicians and "influencers") and MSM vs. a few on the right (Proud Boys or whatever) that most conservatives don't know about and do not support.
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Re: Sky News
Nov 11, 2021, 7:38 AM
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I think we can all agree that walking around in a neighboring town, across state lines, during a riot, while open carrying an assault-style rifle, is incredibly stupid. It also flies the face of EVERY argument EVER made by open-carry advocates, that this somehow makes us safer.
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That's the real problem here
Nov 11, 2021, 7:54 AM
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Whether Rittenhouse gets off or not, people like NC won't acknowledge he was a complete ####### punk. They think he's some sort of hero because he satisfied their wet dream fantasy that they're too scared to carry out.
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Re: That's the real problem here
Nov 11, 2021, 7:59 AM
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the best time to clean graffiti is during a riot, you know, before the spray paint sets in.
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there seems to be some projection as to his personality.
Nov 11, 2021, 8:08 AM
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everything I've read suggests he was a nice kid with some unfortunate ideas of how he could best perform public service, but nonetheless, his presence there was altruistic in nature, something decidedly un-punk-like.
Is there some other backstory I'm missing like him terrorizing his classmates or posting on FB that he was going to go shoot some mofos up?
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Re: there seems to be some projection as to his personality.
Nov 11, 2021, 8:23 AM
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It’s the general defamation of the kid from every liberal talking head- so to these guys that’s fact.
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Re: there seems to be some projection as to his personality.
Nov 11, 2021, 9:07 AM
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If he's a nice kid with unfortunate ideas that led him to show up to a protest with an AR-15, regardless of the end result, then maybe the real punks are the parents.
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I don't have a dog in this fight
Nov 11, 2021, 10:19 AM
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moreso curious of your overall position...
wasn't one of the victims in this ordeal also carrying a pistol? in this case, we have a sample size of what...5 people? 2 of them were carrying?
if you wanna rip him a new ####### for carrying an AR-15, that's fine and dandy. I just would like the same disdain to be showed to the peaceful protestors walking around with pistols.
I'll probably regret responding to this
at a high level, in my opinion, this is what happens when you have lawless chaos for however long we did last year. the fault goes on the people sowing the division to shake the jar. my observations lead me to believe they're going to do their damndest to make an example out of this kid to do everything they can to keep this powder keg from exploding and making this thing kinetic...which the results of this trial may end up doing to some degree anyways based on the hard stances people are taking.
it doesn't help that one side of the political spectrum is celebrating him, while the other is calling him a white supremacist. battle lines have been drawn, and no one is going to sway their opinion regardless of facts. people are going to argue and sling mud over their virtual battlefields to continue to find gotcha points and 140 character burns until another stupid ####### issue pops up so they can do it all over again. just another day in the simulation. this is what the corporate media and state sponsored social media conglomerates have been doing over every god #### issue and it makes me ####### sick.
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Re: I don't have a dog in this fight
Nov 11, 2021, 10:25 AM
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wasn't one of the victims in this ordeal also carrying a pistol? in this case, we have a sample size of what...5 people? 2 of them were carrying?
A grown man legally carrying a concealed weapon. Do I think that's stupid to show up to a protest in the first place armed? Yes. But different situation.
if you wanna rip him a new ####### for carrying an AR-15, that's fine and dandy. I just would like the same disdain to be showed to the peaceful protestors walking around with pistols.
It ain't about the AR-15. It's about the kid--a kid--showing up to it across state lines brandishing the weapon. Someone failed somewhere. I don't care if he showed up with a .22 or a grenade launcher. Same thing.
at a high level, in my opinion, this is what happens when you have lawless chaos for however long we did last year. the fault goes on the people sowing the division to shake the jar. my observations lead me to believe they're going to do their damndest to make an example out of this kid to do everything they can to keep this powder keg from exploding and making this thing kinetic...which the results of this trial may end up doing to some degree anyways based on the hard stances people are taking.
I agree with your first sentence. As for the rest, I honestly don't know. As of now, it appears to be going poorly for the prosecution but who knows what the jury decides?
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Re: That's the real problem here
Nov 11, 2021, 9:09 AM
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I acknowledge his overall actions of going there with a rifle were pretty stupid, maybe naive in addition.
The stupidity of his decision to be there when he was there, as you know, are not relevant to the issues of self defense.
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Well, at least you acknowledge that.
Nov 11, 2021, 9:10 AM
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Some people seem to think this guy is a personal hero.
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I hope you don't think I gave that vibe off.
Nov 11, 2021, 1:04 PM
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I just don't know enough to make it personal enough to call him a punk when there's no evidence to that.
Yes, seems like a serious absence of meaningful parental guidance, as this kid found exactly the type of trouble one would expect with the benefit of age and a bit of wisdom, but I don't get the impression he went looking for trouble.
Feels to me like the same "I need to do something" kneejerk reaction a lot felt when 9/11 happened and they wanted to join the military the next day.
I'm not comparing the two in terms of legitimacy, just saying that at 18 you do a pretty poor job of assessing the relevant gravity of a situation. Calling him a punk though shows that the speaker is just as emotionally over-invested as one calling him a hero.
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No, I don't
Nov 11, 2021, 1:24 PM
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There are others here who see too much of themselves in Rittenhouse, and that's a problem.
Maybe he's not a punk. He could just be a troubled kid lacking an adult to provide him solid guidance. If he had that, I can't imagine they would have given him a thumbs up to taking the action he did in going to Kenosha that night. As you mention, being at that age, a kid has a poor assessment of the gravity of his actions. I don't think he realized the monsters he may be confronting.
I recognize he may not be convicted, at least not of anything serious. I don't agree with it, but if 12 jurors say that's the way it is, I support it. That's the justice system working, IMO.
I worry the fallout if he's acquitted. Not only the potential for more street violence through protests, but I worry this sends a message to actual nutjob imbeciles--grown men who SHOULD know better--taking to the streets with the intent of bloodshed and thinking they will get out of it like Rittenhouse did.
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My worry over it all goes up a layer.
Nov 11, 2021, 1:27 PM
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I worry about the law enforcement tactics that allowed the situation to fester that Rittenhouse thought he was helping against.
Control the lawlessness of the initial protests and do-gooders like Rittenhouse have no crusade to attend to.
Think about that situation......cops well aware of what's going on in an area, yet neutered and disinterested in intervening with a lengthy gunfight and so unaware that they ignored a kid trying to turn himself in to save himself. It's a LE failure at every level....things shouldn't be allowed to get to that point.
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Re: My worry over it all goes up a layer.
Nov 11, 2021, 1:29 PM
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I worry about the law enforcement tactics that allowed the situation to fester that Rittenhouse thought he was helping against.
Yes, this is the real crux of the problem that allowed this situation to occur.
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Re: Sky News
Nov 11, 2021, 10:08 AM
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The gun did ultimately keep him safe.
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I'll keep it short
Nov 11, 2021, 7:53 AM
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-Trump wasn't exonerated for Russia. People in his campaign colluded with them. Trump was found not guilty.
-The Rittenhouse trial isn't decided yet. The prosecution sucks ### so it is starting to look bad for them, but he's a punk idiot and not the hero y'all want him to be.
-I never bought into the teenager and the Native American. Two sources were guilty in that case, and they rightfully had to pay up to the kid.
Yet... you continue to watch shows that have proven liars like Tucker on a regular basis, and you don't have an issue?
You're a partisan hack.
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Re: I'll keep it short
Nov 11, 2021, 8:05 AM
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-So with Rittenhouse- do you think another prosecutor could get a murder charge out of the facts of the case??
-With the teen/ Indian... what was there to buy into? I don’t know how you could’ve thought anything but what the media was telling you. Are you saying you thought the Indian was the aggressor from the beginning?
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Re: I'll keep it short
Nov 11, 2021, 8:07 AM
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-I think a better prosecutor could.
-Because what we were initially presented (the video) with that kid wasn't much to go on. Pretty easy not to jump the gun on that. I waited until all the info came out. No, I didn't think he was the aggressor from the beginning, and the Native American tried to diffuse the situation. You do know that, right?
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Re: I'll keep it short
Nov 11, 2021, 8:19 AM
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-oh boy
-oh boy
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Explain your last "oh boy"
Nov 11, 2021, 9:08 AM
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What are you having a hard time with on the Lincoln Memorial incident?
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I’ll explain both
Nov 11, 2021, 9:19 AM
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- the important facts of the case are known now. If you think another lawyer could get a murder charge out of clear self defense, that’s a very sad and scary view of our justice system.
- 2 things: I believe this is revisionists history. I cannot fathom you of all people being impartial about the NA case. And then you throw out some BS about how great the NA is... that guy is a professional protestor. The teen tried to diffuse the situation too. You know that right??
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Re: I’ll explain both
Nov 11, 2021, 9:30 AM
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-You're telling me a good prosecutor hasn't scored convictions in cases where he/she probably shouldn't have? Never in the history of the U.S.?
-Well, it's tough when you start out with made-up BS lies, but I'll entertain it. You're welcome to go back and look at the post history when this stuff happened. I know it's clunky, but it's there. There wasn't anything close to definitive in that video, and even if that video WAS the accurate depiction, what do we have the kid on? Smirking at a guy? That ain't much.
You clearly didn't remember the case, and you're letting your partisan emotion get the best of you here. I know the kid was innocent and did no wrong. I said that pretty clearly, but I'm not shocked that soared over your head.
The kid was minding his business and was accosted by a group of protesters--not the Native American. He saw the situation and jumped in the middle. It helped diffuse the problem. Now, if you want to say he was an instigator, whatever. Him singing and chanting didn't hurt the kid.
I stated multiple times when the full evidence emerged that this kid could AND should sue the media outlets that labeled him the instigator. And he did, successfully. If you want to make this a substantial monetary wager that I did that, I'll be happy to dig up the old posts and collect. If you don't take that offer, we'll accept you're just spitballing BS and you admit it.
But cheers to your lies and false assumptions.
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You argue like my wife.
Nov 11, 2021, 10:52 AM
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Has anyone ever been wrongly convicted? Of course. Have murderers gotten off Scott free? Yes. I may be naive, but I’d like to think our judicial system is better than- just get a good enough lawyer and you can get charges no matter the facts of the case.
I certainly don’t care enough to research your tnet posts about Covington- and I’ll take your word that you never jumped the gun there. You started with- the NA was trying to deescalate the situation “You do know that, right?” and then came back and said “Now, if you want to say he was an instigator, whatever.” All I can say is at least you saw enough coverage of the issue to understand the other side.
You can call my opinions and assumptions BS all you want, but where exactly did I lie?
The whole point of this post about the media and how they journalism all over your face is being proven out in this exchange.
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And you have a grasp of logic like mine
Nov 11, 2021, 12:35 PM
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You made up BS when you said I reacted a certain way to Covington. I did not. A simple "I was wrong about it" will suffice. Just like I'll drop an "I was wrong" if Rittenhouse is acquitted because if he is, I would be wrong.
As for the “Now, if you want to say he was an instigator, whatever," that's because I don't really care to debate it if you think that way. It doesn't matter. He's not the one who attacked the boy.
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Re: And you have a grasp of logic like mine
Nov 11, 2021, 1:26 PM
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Is this what I “made up”?
“ I believe this is revisionists history. I cannot fathom you of all people being impartial about the NA case.”
These were my thoughts and opinions... assumptions. They are neither made up or lies. Note that I also didn’t say anything about you claiming guilt or innocence to anyone. I was just saying that you don’t seem like the guy I would peg as typically impartial. Right or wrong, I have said I take your word that you didn’t in this case.
It’s very annoying to have to dissect every sentence you try to twist and get all triggered over. Just take a breath and read the words without injecting your interpretation and feelings of personal attack all over the place.
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Why don't you try this...
Nov 11, 2021, 2:13 PM
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Don't make assumptions about my view on something, particularly when I've publicly said on here the opposite, just because you want to argue and think you understand my ideology, and then we won't have to spend this long of a thread to get you to roundabout admit you were wrong.
You have 0.0 understanding of any ideological viewpoint I have, and like many, have assumed it's leftist because it's anti-Trumpism.
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Re: Why don't you try this...
Nov 11, 2021, 3:02 PM
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The thing is...you are leftist, and so am I...when you're viewed from a far-right perspective that no longer believes in live-or-let-live and doesn't believe in the rule of law or even actual democracy, and have adopted a near-total nihilistic viewpoint that there is even such a thing as "objective truth". Everybody's bad, so get yours. Win. The losers are the ones whining.
It's more than a little frightening how many have crossed this threshold into this very dark mindset without realizing how much they've been changed from what were core American beliefs even five years ago.
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Yep
Nov 12, 2021, 2:09 PM
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It takes a small-minded individual to think anyone who doesn't agree with even one little thing he believes is suddenly a radical leftist. Very small-minded.
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Re: I'll keep it short
Nov 11, 2021, 9:36 AM
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I don't recall Catahoula announcing the Covington kids as guilty when that video first hit.
There were a couple of partisan hacks here who did tho. 100% sure Chuckston was one and 99% sure Felix was the other.
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I didn't, but he's welcome to his BS assumptions.***
Nov 11, 2021, 9:37 AM
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Re: I'll keep it short
Nov 11, 2021, 9:16 AM
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I love it how once your opinion is that someone is a liar, everything they might say in the future is also a lie.
Is this how you feel about Biden? Clearly, he has told quite a few whoppers.
But, if what you say is true, I'd say your rigor of analysis and scrutiny of "news" is much higher than the average democrat. You may be one of the sheep, but maybe like a black one. 
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Re: I'll keep it short
Nov 11, 2021, 9:32 AM
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I love it how once your opinion is that someone is a liar, everything they might say in the future is also a lie.
You don't harbor this as a possible quality in a person when they lie to you repeatedly?
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So you believe Biden is a Pathological Liar?
Nov 11, 2021, 11:29 AM
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...and a disgusting person???
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I mean...
Nov 11, 2021, 12:35 PM
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He's a politician, right?
Does "pathological" count if he's just too old to know what he's saying?
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I don't understand the tendency toward
Nov 11, 2021, 8:47 AM
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making judgments about trials like this. All I see is people making big sweeping pronouncements about it. I'd just go with whatever the jury decides.
I guess I understand why people are talking about it...the news media loves scandalous stuff like this, so they put it on all the time to generate ad revenue. It doesn't move the needle for me. I pray for justice and peace for all parties involved.
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I'll say this
Nov 11, 2021, 9:09 AM
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If he walks because this prosecution did a poor job, I'd rather live in a nation where THAT happens than the opposite result with a ###### prosecution effort.
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Re: I'll say this
Nov 11, 2021, 9:21 AM
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I can’t help but think you don’t know the facts of this case.
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Re: I'll say this
Nov 11, 2021, 9:28 AM
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Although I agree that the prosecution has done a #### poor job, if he walks, it won't be because of the prosecution, it will be because of the evidence that created doubts he murdered those people.
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Says the guy just making up stuff
Nov 11, 2021, 9:31 AM
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About the Lincoln Memorial kid incident and how I reacted to it.
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Oh, hey, if you're interested, I have an example that
Nov 11, 2021, 9:22 AM
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predates all of those. Remember Benghazi in 2012? Over the next 3 years, there were TEN (10) investigations into the event, 7 of which were by Republican-controlled House committees. What did they find? Nothing, but that wasn't the point, even a little bit. The point was to cast just enough doubt on Hillary in just enough peoples' minds that it might sway their votes in November 2016. It was orchestrated by the entire rightwing ecosphere--media, politicians, pundits, activists, lobbyists, the ultrawealthy.
And it worked, in spades. Absent of that massive campaign, Trump wouldn't have been President. And all it took was 3 years of tireless yammering and ten investigations...into nothing.
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I don't disagree with the political intent of....
Nov 11, 2021, 1:29 PM
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some of the investigations, but I don't agree that that made any difference in the election.
Hilary had a long enough track-record to already be dislike by a lot of people. I don't think the Benghazi hearings had much impact on that.
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Re: Sky News
Nov 11, 2021, 9:33 AM
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I would also mention a key distinction. You're showing us clips made not by Sky News - which is an English news service - but by Sky News Australia, which is a separate entity that has been owned by (drum roll) Rupert Murdoch and News Corp since 2018, I believe.
It's Fox News.
And yet you like to talk about the collaboration of the "mainstream media". Conservative media is largely owned by Murdoch and News Corp, a massive globalist entity that in its individual markets likes to hammer its viewers incessantly about the dangers of globalism and stoke nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiment, a bunch of Russian disinformation sites posing as concerned fellow 'Merricuns (hello ZeroHedge), and outright cretin disinformers like Jack O'Keefe and Project Veritas who were probably at least initially funded by the Russians. And, oh yeah, let's not miss the outright hustlers like Alex Jones and Newsmax who spout their mindless drivel while hocking substandard (and often dangerous) products right along side them.
That's conservative media, and one look at it from anybody rational tells you there's nothing intrinsically "conservative" about any of it, it's a cesspool catering to the lowest common denominator of conservative parties and pandering right to it, bad candy all day long with no adults anywhere to stop the kids from just eating it up.
And then you have the gall to get on here and tell us how bad "liberals" are. Sorry, I'm mainstream, I don't like the left-handed and city-centric tilt of news organizations, and I do think they're too woke and I think that's exactly what created the space for conservative media to get into like a cancer. But they at least still have news standards, conservative media has none.
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