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I could foresee this happening to college football and it
Dec 10, 2021, 10:57 AM
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could spell the end of all college sports. As it is now, several hundred colleges and universities play football. Every state has a big time school or two that play football, and all kids think they are going to play college football at some level, even if they only think that for a short time. They follow college football becuase there are many oportunities to play SOMEWHERE. Now, if ESPN,NIL,Employee vs. Employer,or trasnfer portal etc. suddenly reduce the pool of top level schools to say 40,with those schools being made up of large alumni bases with at least one billionaire or a group that could function as such, like the Texas guy that is going to personally fund 50K per year each to 16 offensive linemen..or Toby Keith who is putting together a group to fund Oklahoma players,,it could kill the whole system. If 60 to 70 percent of the current fan bases lose their team, and I am talking Clemson fans,Virginia fans,Ole Miss and Miss St,Michigan St,Iowa,UCLA, and the like, would those fans continue to go to high school games? Would they take their kids to little league football practices? If all of the above turns off the majority of fans, at what point would there be so little interest at the developmental level,which for many of us started about age 5 or 6,that the pipeline for future players dries up?
I realise this is about as pessimistic view possible, but I am telling you it could happen. If Clemson and South Carolina got shut out of the elite 40...how many of you would just become Bama, Georgia, OSU, Oregon, Texas, Michigan, or Oklahoma fans and plan Saturdays around watching YOUR NEW team. Not me. I would just spend Saturdays on the water. If football goes, so goes every other sport....
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Re: I could foresee this happening to college football and it
Dec 10, 2021, 11:17 AM
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Go ahead and spend your Saturdays on the water, I will spend mine on the golf course.
Realistically what you are saying could happen, but definitely not in my life time( I am 71).
I could also see the bigger schools(Clemson included) breaking away and forming a Super Conference of say 40 ( as you elude to) which would play for a National Championship ,but also be sort of a baseball type farm system for the NFL.
The other schools ,those without billionaire donors ,or large enrollments, or the Dukes or Vanderbilt's of the world that are there to train future leaders could divide into smaller conferences, and play for the right to go to those New Year Day Bowls, or some of the other popular Bowl destinations.
As to ESPN, well there maybe the need for other networks, like Fox, CBS, or NBC to align with these conferences so that ESPN does not have a monolopy.
And as to NIL, those athletes that go to that elite conference are free to sign with whomever they can make deals with while the not so elite players can still earn money from selling their images.
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Re: I could foresee this happening to college football and it
Dec 10, 2021, 11:17 AM
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You lost me after "could spell...."
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We could just end the hypocrisy and wind up with academies
Dec 10, 2021, 11:18 AM
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the way all he Euro soccer clubs do it.
No pretense of college. Your job is football.
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Re: I could foresee this happening to college football and it
Dec 10, 2021, 11:22 AM
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I don't know how it will all shake out...your scenarios are interesting...without a doubt college football as we know and love it is in gone.
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Honestly, I could see a contingent of University Presidents
Dec 10, 2021, 11:56 AM
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see the writing on the wall in about three or four years and realize that they absolutely cannot and will not ever compete with the wealthy programs and bigger alumni bases...that the whole concept has been completely corrupted, and separating from the NCAA. Re-envisioning college sports back closer to what it once was. What would that look like? Not sure. No scholarships? A mandate on the amount of athletic funds that must route back into the academic side of the university? Limits on what coaches could be offered (Half a billion lost to college coaches over the past decade from public universities...paid out to NOT coach the school).
I don't know...and I am certainly in the minority here but if such a group existed I would wish Clemson into it. I don't question whether or not we CAN compete with the Texases and the Ohio States of the new world. I question if we SHOULD.
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Oh, and I agree with APM - there is nothing wrong with
Dec 10, 2021, 11:57 AM
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setting up "Football Academies" in the US. Focus their education on money management, communications, etc. No one gets an accredited degree. But they are there mainly to develop their athletic careers. Or, conversely, let the NFL get serious about a D-League for young players.
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Re: I could foresee this happening to college football and it
Dec 10, 2021, 11:28 AM
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Spud, I share your concerns regarding the NIL.
The Texas deal is a game changer. If I’m a 5 Star OL recruit and Texas is one of your top five options, that $50,000 paycheck is going to have a big influence on my decision.
We’re going to see more and more of these types of arrangements being made by the two dozen largest, wealthiest schools. Unfortunately, Clemson is not in that group.
The pessimist side of me looks 10 years down the road and sees a landscape were those top two dozen universities are basically buying all the best players. That will definitely change the college football landscape, similar to what you described above.
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"10 years down the road" or maybe 60 miles down cross border***
Dec 10, 2021, 1:45 PM
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Re: I could foresee this happening to college football and it
Dec 10, 2021, 11:41 AM
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People like the Texas booster playing the OL players ruin things for everyone. I don't think most people had a problem with NIL at its core, but the problem was with situations like that one. What I mean is, I think most people would've been ok with players getting paid whatever amount for being used in the college football game, maybe getting paid to sign some autographs, being allowed to make money through their own ideas on social media, and things like that.
However, the reason things used to be where nothing at all is allowed is because some people are always going to take "players have the right to earn from their own image" and use that to help fund players to go to their own favorite team.
For those reasons I can understand why the NCAA tried to fight against it. However, I think it would've been smarter for the NCAA to have gotten ahead of this stuff and allowed players to earn money but did so by trying to implement rules such as boosters not being able to sign players to endorsements. Even then people would find ways to get around the rules, but at least it would've been better than the wild west they currently have. The NCAA waited to be forced to allow this which took away most, if not all of their ability to apply rules around the way it works.
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Re: I could foresee this happening to college football and it
Dec 10, 2021, 11:48 AM
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What's really scary about the Texas OL deal is there's nothing stopping another rich Texas fan from making the same deal with the DL, and another making a deal for receivers, another for QB, RB, TE, another for linebackers, etc... and the next thing you know every Texas player is making $50,000 per year, aka... "hey recruits, sign with Texas and make $200,000-$250,000 during your 4-5 years in college."
Then not only do rich fans at other schools try to match that, but they'll try to beat those numbers.
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It Has Already Happened
Dec 10, 2021, 1:16 PM
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Advantage SEC - most of the schools had a private NIL thing going, so it was just a matter of taking it above the table.
Dabo didn’t embrace it, so we are behind.
I feel like the court got it exactly wrong. They should have prevented the use of NIL, period.
There is no real value to the school to use, say TLs picture in an ad. Everybody already knew he was our QB at the time. The schools should own the numbers and logo, etc. and the player owns the player. In the old days, it was a compliment to be featured - now it’s slavery…so stop it altogether, don’t put it on steroids.
So this started as an attempt to remove exploitation of the players, and became payola for the top players at the top schools.
Making the simple complex does not enhance the fans lives, but it is all about money and finding fat cat supporters to build more opulent buildings for recruiting.
DIII here I come!
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