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Here are some COVID hospital stats this weekend.

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Aug 28, 2021, 9:05 PM
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Prisma Health System as of 8/27/21:

Hospitalized COVID patients: 464 (432 unvaccinated, 32 vaccinated)
ICU COVID patients: 109 (100 unvaccinated, 9 vaccinated)
ICU patients on ventilators: 66 (60 unvaccinated, 6 vaccinated)

MUSC Health as of 8/26/21:

Hospitalized COVID patients: 189 (154 unvaccinated, 35 vaccinated)
ICU COVID patients: 57 (49 unvaccinated, 8 vaccinated)
ICU patients on ventilators: 34 (29 unvaccinated, 5 vaccinated)

Augusta University Health System as of 8/28/21:

Hospitalized COVID patients: 111 (104 unvaccinated, 7 vaccinated)
ICU COVID patients: 52 (51 unvaccinated, 1 vaccinated)
ICU patients on ventilators: 39 (38 unvaccinated, 1 vaccinated)

I know the vaccine isn’t perfect. I realize that it’s been politicized. But these numbers don’t lie, and I don’t understand how anyone can continue to debate the efficacy of the vaccine at this point.

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Re: Here are some COVID hospital stats this weekend.

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Aug 28, 2021, 9:16 PM
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The rub for many people including me is that all unvaccinated people are grouped together when pushing the vaccine. People who have had covid do not belong in the “unvaccinated” group. I think when natural immunity post covid is recognized as a reasonable choice to decline the vaccine, then tensions will ease.

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I'm open to that, but are you suggesting that people who

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Aug 28, 2021, 9:27 PM
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have already had covid, and are thus declining the vaccine, make up a significant part of the unvaccinated in these numbers? because if you are, it would indicate that having covid provides little protection against hospitilization or death from covid. If not, then these are pretty valid, signifcant numbers.

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Re: I'm open to that, but are you suggesting that people who

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Aug 28, 2021, 9:34 PM
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I’m suggesting the exact opposite. I’m saying unvaccinated people who have had covid are at least equally protected. When they show statistics about the unvaccinated in the hospitals they do not show reinfected rates. That’s the stat I want!! How many of those unvaccinated hospital patients are reinfections. I bet that statistic would help people understand why many of us unvaccinated covid “survivors” refuse the shot. I’ve been saying this for months. I absolutely can not understand how some doctors don’t understand this.

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Okay - again I'm totally open to that possibility, and I


Aug 28, 2021, 10:26 PM
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think it's highly likely. The reason doctors don't "understand this" is because covid hasn't been around long enough for the data to be collected and the proper studies to have been done. We are just now starting to get that. Plus, from a public health perspective, we are looking first and foemost for PREVENTION, which does not include immunity which requires getting infected in the first place. That's why vaccines are so important, and why unvaccinated people with natural immunity through prior infection do not negate the impact of the numbers presented here.

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Re: Okay - again I'm totally open to that possibility, and I

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Aug 28, 2021, 10:32 PM
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Those of us who are unvaccinated but had covid are actually part of the prevention. I’m not suggesting anyone try to get covid or refuse the vaccine if they’ve never had covid.
As for doctors not understand , I realize covid is new. However, we do know how the body responds to viruses. So, doctors should be more cautious in pushing the vaccine on post covid patients. I do have a medical background. To anyone in the medical field this should be common sense.

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Maybe so, I don't know if there is a clearly right or wrong

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Aug 28, 2021, 10:45 PM
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answer, but I get your point.

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Whatever immunity you have wanes same as w/vaccine


Aug 28, 2021, 11:08 PM
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that's why you'll still need at least a booster shot.

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Re: Whatever immunity you have wanes same as w/vaccine


Aug 29, 2021, 4:52 PM
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Not true.

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Oh, no


Aug 31, 2021, 12:33 AM
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You been listening to that idiot Rand Paul. He never finished college - couple of years at Baylor and then medical training. The most advanced science class he ever had was sophomore-level microbiology. The one semester of organic chemistry he took at Baylor was a joke. His dad was a decent guy to talk to, though.

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Re: Oh, no


Aug 31, 2021, 5:54 AM
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No , I have not heard Rand Paul on the subject but I’m assuming he promotes natural immunity as a viable reason to decline the shot. Well, he’s right. I am right and as time goes on you will see that I’m right. Again, this is why a vaccine mandate is not going to be tolerated by people who have better protection than the vaccinated.

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Maybe you are right


Aug 31, 2021, 8:03 AM
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Maybe you are wrong about other people who have had covid. Some fool may listen to you, then decline the vaccine. If that fool then gets covid and dies, you bear responsibility.

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Re: Maybe you are right


Aug 31, 2021, 8:12 AM
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Ok can you please turn your brain on and listen. I am not telling anyone to decline the vaccine. I am telling people who have natural immunity post covid to do their homework and make an informed decision as they choose. I really can’t understand why that’s so hard to understand.
My fully vaccinated friend died from covid last week. You going to tell me that blood is on the hands of the doctor? No, we make our decisions and do the best we can.

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I can actually read


Aug 31, 2021, 8:43 PM
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Every post you make is: "I've had Covid so I don't need the vaccine. And this shit-sandwich tastes super-dooper good"

Some fools are reading that and declining the vaccine right now.

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Lol. Nope.


Aug 31, 2021, 8:06 AM
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No thanks. Nada. Not doing it. I did my part and got the first two jabs. Not again

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Aug 28, 2021, 9:48 PM
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I agree, those who have had COVID and recovered should be given more validity.

Simply telling this group to “get vaccinated because we don’t know how long natural antibodies last” is simplistic, since we don’t know how long antibodies from the vaccine last either.

Research on this isn’t conclusive, but there is absolutely research showing that immunity after COVID infection is on par with that seen from vaccination, if not better.

This article was a good one, I thought:

https://www.rockefeller.edu/news/30919-natural-infection-versus-vaccination-differences-in-covid-antibody-responses-emerge/


As we have seen in those who have received the COVID vaccine, immune responses vary. There are certainly breakthrough cases. Some of these rarely need to be in the ICU on ventilators. Some have died. I believe the same is true for those who have had COVID. There are people who got COVID a second time. Some of these people have died. But I bet it’s a very small percentage.

Thank you for your post, because I think it’s a really important point.

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Aug 28, 2021, 9:57 PM
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Very refreshing to hear to give validity to natural immunity Judge. I’ve been called every vulgar name you can imagine for suggesting natural immunity as a valid reason to decline the vaccine.

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What could be more vulgar than a name that’s a combination of Tar-heel & Bulldog?***


Aug 29, 2021, 3:49 PM
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Aug 29, 2021, 4:47 PM
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You guessed correctly about the Tar Herl and Bulldog but you probably have the wrong Bulldog in mind

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Agree, and I think this is huge. I hope more studies bear

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Aug 28, 2021, 10:35 PM
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this out. My gut tells me it will.

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I agree that folks with prior infection, still carrying anti


Aug 31, 2021, 10:51 AM
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bodies should be tracked. I have secretly held out hope that we have a larger population of folks here that have had covid (asymptomatic or otherwise) and that we may be closer to the end of this wave...the problem is, we don't track it. we don't test enough. folks may have had an asymptomatic case and never got covid tested or checked for antibodies. There are limits to retrospectives studies because of this, so the results are not without fallacies.

As a former researcher, the worst feeling in the world is getting to the middle/end of a series of tests and realizing that you missed capturing a key measurement...that's what's happened here and there is no going back. So we do the best we can.

In this case, the hospitalization numbers are the only thing we have. Even if we had information on prior infection status of those in the hospital...that would not counter the fact that unvaccinated people (whether they've been previously infected or not), make up the overwhelming majority of the people in the hospital.

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What gets me is that so many people don't WANT the

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Aug 28, 2021, 9:19 PM
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vaccines to work. They made up their minds and dug in their heels early on that vaccines are bad, and now they are fully commited to that position no matter what.

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I agree, it’s maddening.

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Aug 28, 2021, 9:50 PM
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They decided early on that they were against the vaccine and nothing can change their minds.

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There is a scientific term for that

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Aug 28, 2021, 10:17 PM
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Cognitive Dissonance

Cognitive dissonance causes feelings of unease and tension, and people attempt to relieve this discomfort in different ways. Examples include “explaining things away” or rejecting new information that conflicts with their existing beliefs

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Smiling- I agree with you a lot

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Aug 28, 2021, 11:01 PM
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And respect the way you worded your statement, but disagree with you.

I haven’t done much here other than throw a couple one liners out, but I don’t trust anything around the vax right now.

I don’t think there’s a chip in it.

I do think there’s a HUGE messaging issue. I don’t understand why the concerns aren’t addressed. The overriding concerns aren’t a secret...

Even with this post by judge, what are the percentages of vaccinated folks in the respective areas? What are the ages? What are the comorbidities? We are getting different info now, but it’s not relatable. The same population is getting sick on average... 75yrs avg age and with comorbidities. Why are so many vax issues being covered up? Why does everyone say the dvt, cardio issues, lymphoma issues etc are rare when it’s rare to have long term or terminal issues from covid in the first place. Why is there such an issue in showing that a healthy person is better off getting it than not. Why does anyone care if I get it if you have it? I work in hospitals- know more than a dozen Dr’s refusing it and also know all the hospital issues around my area are more directly linked to staffing issues than covid cases (cases have increased without a doubt). This has only gotten worse with recent mandates to hospital staff to get the vaccine. I know 4 RN’s stepping away from their current hospital because of this. I’ve been in drug stores twice now in the past week to “get” the Pfizer vax and neither of them had a package inserts and the pharmacist couldn’t provide one... why? (I have seen one online, but without ingredients) Furthermore, Why can’t Pfizer now be held liable for this drug?

I know I just threw up on you with this, but at the end of the day- I am simply not convinced that my risks are higher to
me or anyone else with the vax than without- and find it more and more concerning that it’s so difficult to provide the necessary info. It doesn’t make sense to me... flame away

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Thanks - it's fine to disagree (haven't you ever been

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Aug 29, 2021, 12:25 AM
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married? LOL!). No flame.

I was hesitant about the vaccine at first, so, like an idiot, I talked to my doctors. Two cardiologists, a neurologist, and my GP. They know my medical history, my personality, and my habbits and lifestyle. I literally trust them with my life. I expressed my concerns about this new vaccine and asked a lot of questions. They very patiently addressed every one. They all emphatically said I should get the vaccine. Also, I have a couple of doctor friends, with whom I talk about a lot more than doctor stuff. They emphatically said I should get the vaccine. So I got it based on that. Here we are, almost 5 months later, and I don't personally know anyone that has died from the vaccine. I do, however, know close to 50 people, not all close personal friends, but including former school mates, coworkers, customers, etc., who have died from covid. Some of those in the past month, part of the recent surge due to the rise of the delta variant. So for me, weighing the risk of the virus vs. the vaccine, it's a no-brainer for me. Especially for me, since I am older (62) with some health issues. As for younger people, I was always a firm believer that healthy young people were pretty safe, and probably didn't need the vaccine. My view has changed dramatically with the delta strain through personal experience. You may have read my posts on here, but my daugter recently got covid along with a group of her friends and coworkers. All young people (20-35) in good health. They all got sick at the same time; it wound up being 11 in all. I don't remember the exact number, but 6 or 7 were unvaxxed. The ones that were unvaxxed were much, much sicker; those that were vaxxed, including my daughter, hardly had any symptoms at all. 3 of the unvaxxed wound up in the hospital, 2 in ICU, 1 on a ventilator. All of the unvaxxed had high fevers and felt much worse for much longer. Thankfully none died, but the difference was clear. The vaccine made a big difference. I have an old friend right now whose son and daughter and law, early 30s, good health, both unvaxxed, are in the hospital. Both were in ICU on vents. DIL improved and was just moved to regular room, and expressed regret in not getting the vax; told her mom to spread the word to everybody to get it. Son remains in ICU. I have another friend on FB who is asking for prayers for her son who is in hospital with covid. A customer lost his 42-year old son about two weeks ago to covid. I work with two guys, both about 30 yrs old, both who got covid last Feb, before vax was available; they still can't taste anything, except one of them says all meat tastes like dog food. So any suggestion that this doesn't affect healthy young people is out the window. My wife is getting over covid right now. She was fully vaxxed, and for her it has been like having a scratchy throat and mild cough, plus loss of taste and smell, but otherwise felt fine.

Show me credible sources reporting people dying or having major problems in significant numbers relative to the virus, from the vaccine. I see zero evidence of it in my own personal experience. Instead, I see tons and tons of pain and suffering and death from covid among the unvaccinated, and case after case where the vaccine(s) appear to be helping.

So, my opinions and decisions are based on the advice of my own personal doctors, as well as what I have observed through my own experiences with covid. That all tells me that covid is very dangerous, potentially deadly for me; it is now affecting younger, healthier people; and vaccines are safe and while not a cure, provide a significant degree of protection, even if it wanes over time.

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If I were you- I would get the jab too.


Aug 29, 2021, 8:07 AM
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By age alone I would say you should get it.

My experience has been VERY different from yours. I know TONS of folks that got it. Two of them went to the hospital. Neither touched the vent. None I know died from it.

I now know of 3 major events from the vax... one death of a 36yr old mother of 2 with cardiac arrest.

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Aug 29, 2021, 9:27 AM
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What do you mean very different? When you say TONS of folks who got it - got what? Got covid or the vaccine? I know tons of people that got both; I know tons of people that got the vaccine and still got covid, so I don't know what is different. I'm confused.

As for the major events from the vax, I hear they are extremely rare. As for death of 36 yr old mother, was that determined to be a direct cause of the vax? I would like to hear more details - was this publicized?

Yes, I agree I should get it by age alone, but what I have tried to demonstrate, through my experience, is that younger people in good health are now at great risk as well and should get the shot.

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Re: If I were you- I would get the jab too.


Aug 30, 2021, 5:35 AM
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I also directly know of problems with the shot. 2 dead as a direct result of the shot and 2 with long term side effects. I also have a friend who died from covid who was fully vaccinated. This shot is not without risks. It should be stopped with the number of deaths we’ve seen.

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Are comfortable sharing the names of those that passed due


Aug 30, 2021, 8:47 AM
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to the vaccine? I'd like to do some research...

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Re: Are comfortable sharing the names of those that passed due


Aug 30, 2021, 1:29 PM
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Are you kidding? You want me to put names on a public forum? You think the families would like that?

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Basically - I don't believe you, I guess. I saw where New


Aug 30, 2021, 8:04 PM
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Zealand just announced their first death directly related to the Pfizer vaccine - out of a little over a million.

My stats class says you don't personally know of 2...

Updated: I now see the CDC reports 6,000 reported (but unsubstantiated) deaths by COVID vaccine. That number is much higher than I would have guessed. Maybe you do know of 2....

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Aug 30, 2021, 9:51 PM
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Obviously I knew when you asked for names that you didn’t believe me. I know of 2 deaths from the vaccine and lost a fully vaccinated friend to covid last week. Makes no difference to me whether you believe me.

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Aug 30, 2021, 10:54 PM
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Personally know or treated? What were their underlying conditions? How old were they? When were they given the vaccine? Did they have covid previously? if so when?

Have these cases been directly reported to the CDC and reflected in numbers? How did they pass away? How do we know it was directly linked to the vaccine? Is it just timing? Or definitive proof? If definitive proof what is it?

Why has the family or someone else told the media? Fox would be all over this.

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Apparently, DRs are encouraged to report when someone


Aug 31, 2021, 8:52 AM
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passes soon after having the vaccine - whether or not it has been determined the vaccine caused the death. That's the origin of the CDCs 6000 number.

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Aug 31, 2021, 12:15 PM
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The "6,000 deaths" number is from the VAERS database which is an unregulated self reporting system.

i.e. individuals can report whatever they wish. It is not by death certificate or other official methods.

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I remember the good ol days when people were denying that

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Aug 28, 2021, 11:06 PM
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the hospitals would track who was vaccinated and who wasn't. That was a "crazy conspiracy theory."

They do track it, and they give them tests with lower cycle thresholds if they are vaccinated, thus skewing the numbers. Also people get the shot and have a negative reaction and since it hasn't been two weeks they are counted as unvaccinated as well.

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Re: I remember the good ol days when people were denying that

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Aug 29, 2021, 9:36 AM
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Exactly. Trump 2021. Covid Hoax. Fake Moon landing as well.

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Did you seriously just say that different COVID tests are used

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Aug 29, 2021, 10:50 AM
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based on whether someone is vaccinated or unvaccinated?

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There is an amazing conspiracy theory board somewhere that


Aug 29, 2021, 6:38 PM
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comes up with thisshit, and I am glad I have no idea where it is. LOL.

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I think he's saying they screen the test differently


Aug 29, 2021, 9:45 PM
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A different criterion for a positive if you've been infected before or vaccinated. Could be true, but given the source I'm biased toward doubt.

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Exactly. It was announced a couple of months ago, then


Aug 30, 2021, 8:48 AM
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quickly rationalized away and of course the news never touched on it.

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Give a link so we can read it


Aug 31, 2021, 12:19 AM
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Your claim is possible, but there's a smell of shit-sandwich on your breath so I need more evidence of truth.

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Link please, because I want to understand what the logic of


Aug 31, 2021, 10:43 AM
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this may have been. Knowing people that run the test lab here at Clemson, I know for a fact that they run the samples all the same. Moreover, they likely don't know who is vaccinated and who is not. Granted, you are going to say that once people are IN the hospital they will be asked about vx status. but quite frankly, they have more than likely been tested PRIOr to that. And as has been stated several times, they currently aren't tracking vax status (or prior infection status) at test sites.

So - yeah. where did you get your information?

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I imagine the vaccine record to be the hardest method to


Aug 30, 2021, 7:05 PM
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track anyone these days. You're on public forum, so you're easy to track. You have a cell phone, REAL EASY to track.

Data modelers have long developed shadow profiling algorithms that can predict your next move before you can. This is not conspiracy, it's the absolute truth!

Their goal? $$$

Take a 100 million people, watch their browsing habits and it gets easy to predict their behavior.

If you're skipping the vaccine because you saw two people die from it, you're not real good at math.

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Aug 30, 2021, 7:09 PM
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I guess that was for me. Lol. Ok.

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Aug 31, 2021, 12:22 AM
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Over here, it's "maths." Hard to get used to.

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