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There are no valid excuses for the season we are having.
Sep 19, 2021, 8:14 PM
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We have plenty of talent, based on our recruiting rankings the last few years. Per 247Sports, here is where we have ranked nationally the last four years:
2018: 7th
2019: 10th
2020: 3rd
2021: 5th
That’s an average of 6.25.
Our coaching staff is among the best compensated in college football:
Dabo Swinney: $8.3 million/year (3rd nationally)
Brent Venables: $2.5 million/year (highest paid defensive coordinator and highest among assistants nationally)
Tony Elliott: $2 million/year (highest paid offensive coordinator and third overall among assistants nationally)
Dabo is considered one of the best coaches in college football, and the consensus is that he is second only to Nick Saban.
Venables is widely regarded as the best defensive coordinator in college football. Elliott is often mentioned as one of the top offensive coordinators.
I could not find data for entire coaching staff salaries, but since we have the third highest paid head coach and two of the top three highest paid assistant coaches, I assume that we collectively pay our coaching staff among the highest in college football if not the most. Thus, it’s fair to assume that the other assistants are high quality coaches.
In terms of facilities, 247Sports ranked our facilities as the best in college football this year. Other news outlets have as well.
Our fan base is known to be among the best, both in terms of passion as well as financial support. Our home field advantage is one of the best.
I say all of this to emphasize two things. One, we should be performing a LOT better than we have so far. We should be able to score more than 3 points on Georgia, perform better against SC State, and have no business struggling against Georgia Tech. And two, which is the most important point here, we have the ability to fix it.
To do that, it’s going to take more than coaching experience and player talent. It’s going to take humility to realize that we need to do better, coupled with a willingness to break out of our comfort zone. Things have gotten stale somehow. They feel complacent. That’s not good.
We better start fixing things now, because if we don’t improve a lot then we aren’t going to beat the Wusspack next weekend.
Here’s to Dabo & Co. recognizing the issues that need addressing, and having the wherewithal to do it!
Go Tigers!
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Re: There are no valid excuses for the season we are having.
Sep 19, 2021, 8:20 PM
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We are 2-1 with our only loss to the #2 team in the country so would anyone need an excuse?
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Because we have major issues on offense
Sep 19, 2021, 8:25 PM
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that should be unacceptable based on the coaching and player talent on our team.
This isn’t about a player or two being rusty or a few plays with timing that has been slightly off. These are significant issues with just about every aspect of our offense.
If not for our incredible defense, we would have lost to Georgia by several scores and lost to Georgia Tech as well.
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No excuses, just valid reasons.
Sep 19, 2021, 8:20 PM
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Tony’s been riding a reputation created by Chad Morris and Jeff Scott, protected only by TL and Etienne (who TE seemed to forget was on the roster several games last season).
When a major assistant coaching position opens on the offensive side of the staff, our searches seem constrained by whom we can find in the alumni directory, with one in particular having exactly zero coaching experience.
Clemson football is a big business and it’s time we move past the good old boy nepotism that’s rampant in both our coaching staff and our roster.
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I always felt like our coaches’ value exceeded their pay.
Sep 19, 2021, 8:28 PM
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We have tended to do more with less for much of Dabo’s tenure. I haven’t felt that way the last couple of years. This year, I think the coaching has fallen well short of reasonable expectations based on the salary and resources involved.
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Re: I always felt like our coaches’ value exceeded their pay.
Sep 19, 2021, 9:58 PM
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The last couple of years? We went 14-1 in 2019 only losing to arguably the best College team ever. In 2020 we won the ACC and went to the semifinals.
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Orange Blooded [2861]
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Re: I always felt like our coaches’ value exceeded their pay.
Sep 19, 2021, 10:19 PM
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Thanks to TL and Travis. We have been bringing up the poor play calling and slightly above a high school offensive scheme for 3 years now. This being the 3rd. DJ is struggling right now, but that does not excuse the play calling.
By the way, I like the commitment to the run, but what I am looking for is a balanced attack with tempo. It is like TE can only do one or the other at times.
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Last 3 years?
Sep 19, 2021, 10:58 PM
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Play calling has been questioned every year this site has existed. It's as much a tradition as rubbing the rock
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Re: No excuses, just valid reasons.
Sep 20, 2021, 6:06 AM
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Great post OBED!! You are so right about new coaches. Saban brings in grey hairs and NFL retreads when he has an opening. Dabo brings in newbys!
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Re: There are no valid excuses for the season we are having.
Sep 19, 2021, 8:23 PM
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We had no business struggling against Syracuse for 2 years in a row, but we did. We had no business almost losing to UNC a couple of years ago, but we almost did. We had no business losing to Pitt at home in 2016. It happens.
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Those games you mentioned were clearly anomalies.
Sep 19, 2021, 8:33 PM
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This year, all three games have been disappointing offensive showings. Considering that we haven’t played well on offense all year, it doesn’t fall into the anomaly category.
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Re: Those games you mentioned were clearly anomalies.
Sep 20, 2021, 7:58 AM
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My main concern with the big picture is for the future if the “In House” hiring continues. I ran a business for 40 years and believe me it can get stale very fast if you don’t bring in new ideas to shake things up and give the ones that are there little jolt of energy. The hardest thing to do in business is to terminate someone because it not only affects them but their whole family and friends. I just see it being very difficult for Dabo to let CJ, Elliot, Streeter , now
Tahj who is waiting in the wings go (oh and Thomas Austin ). It’s like he’s trying to social engineer this Clemson Shangi La of coaches
I’m not so much concerned for right now but im just concerned that we will wither on the vine for lack of new and fresh ideas. It’s like every time as Elliot says they didn’t expect a certain defense they go into the dink and dunk “Hey we didn’t expect this offense”. Good grief you got 5 stars at receiver, running back and QB with an adequate line not the best but adequate certainly adequate enough for GT. Have an idea sometime!!!
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This
Sep 20, 2021, 8:10 AM
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Good businessmen do not work with/hire friends and family.
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Re: There are no valid excuses for the season we are having.
Sep 19, 2021, 9:39 PM
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We had no business struggling against Syracuse for 2 years in a row, but we did. We had no business almost losing to UNC a couple of years ago, but we almost did. We had no business losing to Pitt at home in 2016. It happens.
Look at Birmingham being rational!!
I tend to agree with you, but our offense looks as bad as it's looked in a very long time. Hopefully DJ picks it up, but he looks like Logan Thomas out there.
Our offensive line is below average again, and that's inexcusable. I think Caldwell needs to go the Danny pearman route and move to an administrative role. We need a better coach there.
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have we ever gotten markedly better throughout a season
Sep 19, 2021, 8:29 PM
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when we started poorly?
I am not arguing, I am asking because I am tired and can't think of a season (recently) where we started out with so many indicators of a poor offense and then got significantly better? Help me here.
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Re: have we ever gotten markedly better throughout a season
Sep 19, 2021, 8:36 PM
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Clemson didn't do as well at the beginning of 2016 as people expected given the talent on offense that came back from the 2015 NC game team. They only scored 19 against Auburn and only beat Troy by 6. The offense wasn't nearly as bad as it's been so far in 2021, but it shows that things can get better over the course of the season.
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Re: have we ever gotten markedly better throughout a season
Sep 19, 2021, 10:06 PM
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if I recall correctly 2016 and 2019 were both "slow" starts. I think they were both more related to all the "Heisman hype" both QB's had. In fact, I think DW4 even admitted he needed to start havig fun playing football again. One does have to wonder if the Heisman odds and NIL $$ put on DJ is playing a role in this ineptitude. That being said, DW4 and TL16 never looked this bad
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Will you allow others to do this analysis during basketball season?***
Sep 19, 2021, 8:31 PM
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Absolutely.
Sep 19, 2021, 8:36 PM
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I’ve done that analysis routinely for basketball the last few years. The conclusion every time is that our basketball program significantly overachieves relative to coaching salaries, player talent level, facilities, and fan support.
Also, basketball board is that way. —>
(And it has nothing to do with football)
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Et Tu?
Sep 19, 2021, 8:36 PM
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You’ve been waiting all year to trash this coaching staff haven’t you. Don’t think some here don’t remember you bashing everyone on this board that posted the EXACT same type of comments towards Brownell that you are now posting here.
Hypocrisy at its finest Judge.
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I agree JK! We should not be last in the ACC in offense
Sep 19, 2021, 9:42 PM
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Nm
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Last in the ACC in offense?
Sep 19, 2021, 9:55 PM
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If this is true, it says it a mouthful. If I recall, we scored 73 vs GaT last year with a down Offense (and a great QB).
I am near the top of the list who wants to see another up and coming reputable hoops coach get a shot -- but on this subject, JK is correct and I put 80% of the responsibility on T.E., Streeter and Coach Swinney. There is no DW4 or TL16 to put the Offensive coaches on their back this year. It's BYOG time for the coaches. Let's go Tigers!
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Re: There are no valid excuses for the season we are having.
Sep 12, 2016, 11:59 PM
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Tony doesn't have a great offensive mind. Period at the end of that. Our offense isn't physical. Another period and we're done.
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Re: There are no valid excuses for the season we are having.
Sep 19, 2021, 9:47 PM
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Tony doesn't have a great offensive mind. Period at the end of that. Our offense isn't physical. Another period and we're done.
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Re: There are no valid excuses for the season we are having.
Sep 19, 2021, 9:59 PM
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Tony Elliott and Brandon Streeter are great guys, 100% integrity and class. The problem is neither can develop players to the next level in my opinion. Streeter has been on easy street with DW 4 and TL 16. Both were football phenoms and knew the game and very football intelligent. I am not saying DJ is bad, he is good, but far from great with his current play. We will see how he truly develops under Streeter. Our TE's are way under developed, we have huge talent there too. Use it, please coaches! Same for WR's. Jeff Scott/Dabo developed most of the wide receivers that are now in the NFL.
Dabo has lots of class and wants to give his former players a shot to be great. I get it but the ship as to sail out of port with or with-out the right staff in order for the team to be successful.
Go Tigers, I hope they wake up on offense and play lights out the rest of the year.
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Nailed it. Should be post of the day.***
Sep 19, 2021, 10:19 PM
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Re: There are no valid excuses for the season we are having.
Sep 20, 2021, 8:04 AM
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Now it comes down to the OC imho.
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Since we started making the playoffs (past 6)
Sep 20, 2021, 8:22 AM
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Bama missed once
Ohio state has missed 3. Recruited higher than Clemson.
Ga has made it once - yet recruited higher than Clemson.
Ok has missed 2.
LSU has missed 5.
Norte Dame has missed 4.
Etc etc
Clemson has been the only team to make the playoffs 6 years in a row. Clemson has been the most consistent.
Did any of those schools panic?
Nope, sometimes - the chemistry does not come together - it happens.
The coaches did not suddenly forget how to coach.
It happens.
I am surprised with your critical nature of football. When others do the same thing to basketball, you and a couple of minions come out and defend a middle of the pack coach who seldom makes the “playoffs” when the playoffs are 68 teams - not 4. Now, here you are, criticizing a season where Clemson has lost one game - to the number 2 team - on a pick 6. Yes, the offense is not good. Maybe it will get better, maybe not. If we miss the playoffs this year - so be it.
But, to act like our coaches etc are not good or motivated or “have no reason” after being the only team to make 6 in a row is way over the top.
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