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How will the board libs and other Biden lovers defend this?

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May 24, 2022, 12:13 PM
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Happy “transitioning!”

https://mobile.twitter.com/WashTimes/status/1529062201432190977

https://mobile.twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1528712761554903040

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Re: How will the board libs and other Biden lovers defend this?

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May 24, 2022, 12:14 PM
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the transition is from rich to poor for the middle

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Transition from what to what?***


May 24, 2022, 12:16 PM
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Re: Transition from what to what?***

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May 24, 2022, 12:25 PM
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T3 is yelling at clouds again. ??

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Re: Transition from what to what?***


May 24, 2022, 8:54 PM
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Failed green energy

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Hopefully, you disagree, and realize


May 24, 2022, 12:56 PM
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it's not planned nor something they want.

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Re: Hopefully, you disagree, and realize

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May 24, 2022, 1:00 PM
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Why would I disagree? They’ve stated on many occasions they want a transition to EV’s and public transportation. Those efforts have largely failed in the past due to low gas prices. Higher prices now make the switch more palatable to people who otherwise wouldn’t entertain the idea.

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Re: Hopefully, you disagree, and realize

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May 24, 2022, 1:02 PM
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You are correct and they know it. They will debate you but they know it.

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So Biden isn't as incompetent and demented as yall claim***

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May 24, 2022, 1:04 PM
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Re: So Biden isn't as incompetent and demented as yall claim***


May 24, 2022, 1:06 PM
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He’s the puppet

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Re: So Biden isn't as incompetent and demented as yall claim***


May 24, 2022, 3:18 PM
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Who is the puppet master?

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Re: So Biden isn't as incompetent and demented as yall claim***


May 24, 2022, 4:16 PM
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As Musk said, the teleprompter.

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The Tribe.***

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May 24, 2022, 7:17 PM
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It's the Biden Gas Switcheroo


May 24, 2022, 1:02 PM
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Biden is so incompetent that gas is north of $4 a gallon while at the same time being so competent this is all part of a dastardly plan by "The Squad" to force everybody to EV's

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They've been fighting against hydrocarbon energy for

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May 24, 2022, 1:14 PM
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decades, of course they want this. Back in 2008 Obama was talking about how it would be necessary for electricity costs to go up under his cap and trade system.

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Re: They've been fighting against hydrocarbon energy for


May 24, 2022, 1:22 PM
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Why are you so triggered at the realization that EV's will become the rule and not the exception, and that there will be a "transistion".

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How are you going to charge the EV’s dummy?***


May 24, 2022, 1:39 PM
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Re: How are you going to charge the EV’s dummy?***


May 24, 2022, 2:43 PM
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Do you believe the only way to generate electricity is by burning coal?

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There's oil, natural gas, hydroelectric, nuclear, etc.

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May 24, 2022, 3:09 PM
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We're in a situation where we get yearly warnings about the potential for rolling blackouts in large swaths of the country, a lot of which is due to cutting generation capacity in an environment where demand is increasing because fossil fuels bad....Yet you think it's possible to switch over a significant % of vehicles to electric and everything will just be OK because of magic or what?

Nuclear is the most logical solution we currently have, but nobody is even talking about it. Then it's like 5-7 years from a plant getting the OK to completion. No, you cannot power this country off of solar and wind. Maybe you could get by with that on a 2nd-3rd world Caribbean island.

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Re: There's oil, natural gas, hydroelectric, nuclear, etc.


May 24, 2022, 6:13 PM
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You do realize that technology in the renewable sector continues to improve every year? Look at how far batteries have come in the past 20 years. How much will they improve over the next 20 years? Photovoltaics continue to improve. Same with electrical transmission, fusion, ave's, etc. Technology in this sector is not stagnant.

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No it's not, but things need to be in proper balance....


May 24, 2022, 7:44 PM
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and renewables are being built out of balance right now. Even if mass storage had a technical break through today, it wouldn't be able to be implemented fast enough to keep us out of a generation pinch.

Keeping this direction and hoping tech advancement will save us is way too risky. Food, water, and electricity...and food and water start to become a problem without enough electricity.

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Re: There's oil, natural gas, hydroelectric, nuclear, etc.


May 24, 2022, 8:34 PM
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I've seen personally where many liberals will talk about how technology is advancing, blah, blah, blah and they know nothing about it.

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We should just switch to all solar like when we move to Mars***


May 24, 2022, 7:22 PM
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Meanwhile

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May 24, 2022, 1:23 PM
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-green-carbon-credit-offsets


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They don't want gas prices over $4.00 a gallon.***


May 24, 2022, 1:26 PM
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Their anti hydrocarbon, pie in the sky energy policy seems

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May 24, 2022, 1:43 PM
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To indicate otherwise. They want people driving less, and using less energy in general to save Mother Earth. High energy costs are how they incentivize that behavior.

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Isn't the whole world basically "fighting" against that?


May 24, 2022, 5:32 PM
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Note: By "fight" we mean understanding the realities of the eventual need to move away from relying on that energy in order for survival, right?

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Not really, we and some European countries seem like the


May 24, 2022, 5:38 PM
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Only ones interested In handicapping ourselves with unworkable energy policy. France at least saw the writing in the wall and started their nuclear build up.

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I agree we need to look at nuclear again


May 24, 2022, 5:57 PM
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I strongly disagree that our energy policy is "unworkable" or that the rest of the world isn't also looking to go Green. I don't think anyone is arguing that oil/fossil fuels are going anywhere soon just that we need to transition to renewable energy as a major source for economic, environmental, and political reasons. The market seems to agree as well as demand for "greener" energies/technologies are rising.

Many argue that Russia's sole dependence on oil as their economic leader is in large part why Putin has taken a more aggressive stance over the years because he sees their/his leadership being threatened as the rest of the world moves away from oil. Nevermind the fact that by only relying on oil (or any one energy source) opens you to threat of calamity if that source is threatened. France is facing an energy crisis right now because half its nuclear power plants aren't operating and costs are soaring.

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The renewable solutions being pushed are unworkable though


May 24, 2022, 6:09 PM
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You cannot power a developed, industrialized nation on wind and solar. Cheap, reliable energy is how a society can afford to be concerned about environmental issues, without that it drops down the priority list for people rapidly. High energy costs is what you get when we try to force feed green energy to society before technology and the market is ready. This is what we’re doing with ESG scores and similar policies, now we’re seeing the results. No capital in those sectors to ramp things up when we need it the most, nor is there incentive with hostile govts. working against you.

Germany and Europe as a whole’s dependence on Russian oil could also be blamed for his aggression, and at least some of that can be blamed on their shortsighted big jump into ‘green’ energy at the expense of other alternative sources.

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We aren't moving to a solely wind/solar infrastructure


May 24, 2022, 6:56 PM
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anytime soon (or ever probably) with the most likely scenario I've heard discussed is a mixture of all the technologies based on regional geography. The more power you can produce, cheaply, the cheaper prices will be for the consumer based on basic economic supply/demand beliefs, right? So, developing alternative energy sources (and making them renewable) only helps to drive down costs over time. But, I agree, in the short-term, those costs may be higher which is an argument for maintaining levels of fossil fuel production AND investing in renewable energy for the future. As an example, look at how Musk built Tesla. He first started with a roadster that was priced only for the wealthy which he used to fund his future goal of building cheaper and more mass-market vehicles. He did this at a time when most car companies balked at the idea of electric vehicles and now they are all rushing to catch up to Tesla. I see the exact same thing happening with Green Energy.

I haven't heard anyone argue that we should stop all fossil fuel production right now and only support the electrical grid with solar/wind. If you have, then I would agree with you in saying that's an unrealistic argument.

We are producing oil at close to all-time record amounts, so I don't think funding or ESG policies are affecting that sector. And even if it was, it wouldn't explain why the worldwide gas prices and energy prices are also going up along with inflation. In other words, the worldwide rise in gas prices and inflation has very little to do with what we are doing domestically.

If your point about Europe moving away from oil is in part to blame for Putin's aggressions, I sorta agree but only because it threatens Putin/Russia economically but that's his failure not theirs. It also makes my point about relying on any one source of energy being dangerous environmentally, economically, and politically. I'd argue that one of the leading reasons to be FOR green energy is to move toward energy independence which should appeal to the new conservative ideal of isolationsim. Oil dependence has caused how many wars? (note: I don't think war will suddenly disappear with green energy)

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From an electric grid perspective....

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May 24, 2022, 7:07 PM
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Too many coal and nat gas plants are being shutdown in the name of reducing carbon emissions and the capacity is being replaced with renewables...as a general statement. The balance is close to being out of whack now and it's going to get worse.

We need a federal push to build modern coal and nuclear plants ASAP. Can still continue to build renewable as well but in proper balance, which is not an easy thing to execute economically. While it is incredibly beneficial to my company, the infrastructure plan to invest in transmission build-out/upgrade with sole focus on bringing more renewable generation on line to power the EV transition is incredibly short-sighted given the lack of mass storage options available now. There will likely be a period of generation pinch in the next five years...and coal and nuclear plants take a long time to build. There will not be a quick fix. Engineers in our industry are already sounding the alarm. Insat in on a round table discussion on this topic at our industry's big tradeshow last month. Everyone is on the go green bandwagon and, as a general statement, aren't listening to the people that know what they're talking about.

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Nice input... I should think you would know.***


May 24, 2022, 7:25 PM
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I agree the balance of how to progress is the main concern


May 24, 2022, 7:48 PM
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and with you being in the industry you would know more than I, so if you say there's a problem with the balance I will believe you.

I've read in the past that the rise of fracking and cheap natural gas largely caused the coal industry's problems (along with the rise in renewables) but you say they are shutting down natural gas plants now? What changed there?

I agree with building more nuclear plants. I've never fully understood the resistance (other than b/c of three-mile island/chernobyl/Fukushima) and think they would have bi-partisan support.

When you guys sound the alarm, what is their response? Do they even give you one?

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May 24, 2022, 5:39 PM
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I agree. I think many are just in favor of letting the speed of transition match the infrastructure. It seems Biden and others are trying to artificially force or speed up the change. Maybe it’s the old ask for 20 if you want 15, but I think there’s a happy medium somewhere and definitely more palatable to the consumer.

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That's for sure a much more worthwhile point

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May 24, 2022, 6:05 PM
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I think "artificially forcing" is a negative way to put "investing in" but is saying the same thing. It's the same as investing in anything where you put in some sort of capital in hopes that you get not only a bigger return, but also it speeds up the return. And based on the market growth of green technology and energy, I'd argue that investment is a wise decision (Musk/Tesla is a good example).

But I certainly can understand the argument you're making and I agree we need to make sure the infrastructure is there to meet the growing demand.

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May 24, 2022, 8:55 PM
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You're just not paying attention

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May 24, 2022, 1:06 PM
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is the only thing I see happening.

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Given the subject line, we may want to ask this


May 24, 2022, 1:28 PM
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And I'm serious: Is anyone on this board an actual Biden lover? Does anyone here actually think his presidency has done a good job?

I think we all know this gas issue is very bad. But there are a lot of factors that contribute to that.

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May 24, 2022, 1:32 PM
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As with most other things, Biden claims there is little to nothing he can do about it even though there clearly is. So I’d say anyone who defends that position is either a Biden lover or naive. Naive isn’t really an option on TNet as it is a wealth of solid information.

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May 24, 2022, 1:36 PM
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So I’d say anyone who defends that position is either a Biden lover or naive.

No, that's not how the logical conclusion works (false dichotomy). Trying to pinpoint the actual cause and blame isn't necessarily offering a defense of anyone.

But I would like to hear your thoughts on what you think Biden should/could do to alleviate this problem.

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May 24, 2022, 1:42 PM
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Plenty of people have had thoughts. And this goes all the way back to Nov when they “hoped gas wouldn’t hit $4/gal. Then in March when it was $4/gal. Now that it’s over $6 in some places, I wonder what they think?

It’s funny how Trump “had to own” everything that occurred after a reasonable time into his Presidency, yet Biden is given a pass for everything. Well, not actually funny.

It’s also clear that Biden holds zero sway over OPEC or Russia as far as energy and geopolitical issues. Why is that?

I just read an interesting piece from an investment company on the global EV market. It was actually highly informative. So we’re going from depency on the ME and Russia to dependency on China for batteries. China, where Hunter has done his handiwork. Where could that possibly go wrong?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/09/politics/gas-prices-joe-biden-explainer/index.html


https://nypost.com/2022/03/07/how-biden-can-help-lower-gas-prices/


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May 24, 2022, 2:07 PM
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I don't think Trump should have been blamed for the gas prices if they had gone up under him, same as with Bush.

Biden likely has little sway over OPEC because it's clear this is not a strong admin.

But I still don't know what magic fix everyone thinks this admin could do--or that we really WANT them to attempt it.

Look at what we're dealing with after the attempts to stimulate the economy under COVID.

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May 24, 2022, 2:12 PM
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Idk how Trump got foreign countries to do a lot of what he wanted. Maybe I don’t want to know some of it, but he did manage to do some things in that area that Biden either lacks the creativity or connections to do. I just look at the results. I would consider NoKo and China to be largely misses for Trump even though some progress was made.

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As T3's articles point out, there is no short-term fix


May 24, 2022, 5:47 PM
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and we are basically near record-high output as is so there's little to nothing he can do to affect the price in the short-term other than a few cents here and there.

Gas prices are higher because of increased demand outstripping supply due to the required isolation of Russia for attacking Ukraine and easing of Covid. The opposite happened during Covid when no one was driving sending gas prices lower. These are WORLDWIDE issues that aren't something Biden has any control over and I'd be saying that even if Trump were President. The economy and Gas Prices are things that a President has almost no ability to control but they get the credit or blame. This has been acknowledged for years (common knowledge) and yet it's still something that people clearly hold them responsible for.

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Name some things Biden has done well


May 24, 2022, 5:50 PM
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or anything for that matter. I’ll have to go back and look if you gave Trump a pass but somehow I doubt it.

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Re: Name some things Biden has done well


May 24, 2022, 6:17 PM
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This was his biggest accomplishment



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That doesn't have anything to do with my post, but...


May 24, 2022, 6:35 PM
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the big one for me that I see a distinct difference in between Biden and Trump is Ukraine. I think Biden has been pretty sound in his handling of Ukraine (not perfect though) and I think Trump would have made it a disaster. Trump is said to have planned on pulling us out of NATO had he won a 2nd term. He's floated the idea of the U.S. bombing Russia with planes that have Chinese flags to try and trick them (an idea he also said about bombing Mexico) but maybe he was joking in both cases? Trump said the US should accept the annexation of Crimea which makes you think he'd argue or be okay with Russia's claim to the eastern parts of Ukraine. There's precedent for Trump asking for favors from Ukraine before giving them the weapons/aid they need in fighting that could have been disastrous.

Biden has given aid/weapons and said (mostly) the right things about supporting Ukraine. He hasn't appeased Putin nor has he given Putin much fodder to create a narrative that the US is at war with Russia. His support of NATO and seeing NATO strengthen (mostly due in response to Putin to be fair) instead of weakened is a big plus. Most of all, Biden has been steady and not acted as a wildcard in a situation that was about to boil over and for that, I give him credit.

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May 24, 2022, 6:50 PM
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Your post said that you thought Presidents really didn’t control much. So I wanted to know some positive things that you based your support of Biden on.

As far as NATO, Trump got more money from them and supposedly the NATO Sec Gen said the meeting under Trump was one of the most productive ever. Trump was correct that NATO had largely become ineffective and other countries were basically living off of us.

So Ukraine is it? Putin got the land he wanted just like Crimea and pretty much sent the world economy into chaos. We sanctioned them yet they seem to still be doing okay…actually better than us in some areas.

Anything else?

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Presidents don't have much control over economy/gas prices


May 24, 2022, 7:23 PM
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that's what I said.

Here's the quote:

"The economy and Gas Prices are things that a President has almost no ability to control but they get the credit or blame."

I disagree that NATO had become ineffective. Considering Putin and some on this board argued that their "aggression" was to be blamed for Putin's invasion of Ukraine, it seems clear they weren't thought of as being ineffective. Trump wanting/planning on the US leaving NATO would have been disastrous.

I don't want to get into a long thread about Ukraine, but I take it from your last paragraph you think Putin is winning? He wanted all of Ukraine and thought it would be easy. Now he'll be lucky to get the eastern provinces and declare a pyrrhic victory. His army may be decimated and he's lost a ton of experienced generals in the war. He's made NATO stronger with the inclusion of Finland/Switzerland and the overall resolve of the organization. Russia is economically isolated in large part and as European countries look to move away from energy dependence on Russia he may have crippled Russia's economy in the long-term as well.

https://www.vox.com/23049187/russia-sanctions-ukraine-ruble



His handling of Covid (shot/test dispersion, rhetoric, supporting experts, etc.)
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Trump actually deserves a lot of credit for cutting...

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May 24, 2022, 7:12 PM
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Production...meaning negotiating OPEC+ to slash production in 2020 that helped save the US oil industry, which took a huge beating in 2020. That beating is the real reason that output (refinery mainly now) hasn't/can't bounce back quickly enough to keep up with the demand surge post-COVID.

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Back off of any and all ESG related policy so that capital

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May 24, 2022, 1:55 PM
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can flow where it is needed the most in the energy sector would be a good start.

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Re: Back off of any and all ESG related policy so that capital


May 24, 2022, 6:19 PM
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What's you opinion on the subsidies the fossil fuel industry already receives? Should they be given more?

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41% of Americans think he is doing a good job right now***


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Sounds familiar


May 24, 2022, 6:10 PM
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https://twitter.com/AndrewLawton/status/1528644596657422337?s=20&t=n4EZlkKFBm_bpTSUiF5gvw

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Re: How will the board libs and other Biden lovers defend this?


May 24, 2022, 8:39 PM
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The Dems need to realize they themselves are too selfish to give up their cool AC in the summer and warm gas heated homes in the winter.

Seriously, if the virtuous part of the USA population, the democrats of course, would walk the walk, it would go a long way to fixing the global problem of fossil fuel consumption. Drive less, flush every other time, no AC in the car, drive below the speed limit, keep air in your tires, etc.

There's tons of chit the 100M+ libbies can do TODAY to save us all, but they won't do it or can't do it. They need us conservatives to yield first to their elite status.

They are all fake and ignorant.

Just come to grips with the fact that in a few generations 90% of humans will be dead due to the next pandemic or 3/4 of us will be dead from nuclear war. You probably won't be alive, so give it a break. I mean, really how long do you think we will be around?

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