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How many games has Spurrier and his "genius" playcalling
Jun 20, 2015, 10:25 PM
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cost the coots? Definitely the 2014 Kentucky game (refusing to run the ball when they had been gashing them) and the 2011 Auburn game (he called a timeout after an incomplete pass late in the 4th when they would desperately need that TO later). I know there are more examples.
He's arrogant and it's cost them games. Yet, coots worship him. Gold, Jerry! Gold!
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and the back to back timeouts versus Tennessee last
Jun 20, 2015, 10:26 PM
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year.........don't forget that .......
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Ah yes. Thank you
Jun 20, 2015, 10:28 PM
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And who can forget how he ran Lattimore straight to a handicapped parking spot for the rest of his life.
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Re: How many games has Spurrier and his "genius" playcalling
Jun 21, 2015, 12:29 PM
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I know that there are many who will disagree with me, but IMO Steve Spurrier is, and always has been a mediocre, average coach. It's his comical, arrogant personality that draws in the media accolades. Even when he makes idiotic calls, he somehow convinces people (except for those of us who know better) that he's a genius...he's FAR from that.
He WAS an innovator at UF. His success at UF came from throwing the ball all over the field at a time when no one else was doing it, and sitting in an ocean of Florida recruit talent at a time when young players were hungry for something new.
His success at USuC came from players wanting to play for him based on his UF success. Nothing more. Now the "luster" is gone.
There are coaches right now that have accomplished far more in significantly less time. i.e Saban and Meyer. ESPECIALLY Meyer....geez..I believe Dabo will join that list within the next 10 years, and the only way people will remember Slurrier is through his sideline antics and arrogant comments.
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Ellis Johnson and some Rock Hill money has had more....
Jun 21, 2015, 1:49 PM
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to do with his brief 4 years of success at SCU, than kids wanting to go their because of what he did at Florida. Most of the kids coming into college now a days aren't even old enough to remember his time at Florida.
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Re: Ellis Johnson and some Rock Hill money has had more....
Jun 21, 2015, 7:39 PM
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That may also be true, but he is labeled a "big time" coach and "football genius" because of his success at UF and his large, obnoxious personality. That label (both media and self declared) is what brought many kids to USuCk as well.
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Carping about this
Jun 21, 2015, 1:34 PM
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may make you feel better since we were basically outcoached three of five years during the ugly streak. I'd leave it alone myself, but to each his own.
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Can you specifically cite how we were outcoached in any of
Jun 21, 2015, 1:41 PM
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the losses, and specifically how Spurrier's genius playcalling was the reason?
Seems to me the main reason behind the success of their 4-year run was defense. Keep in mind one of the 5 years they beat us they were 7-6 and lost to UCONN in their bowl game.
Seems pretty clear to me the genius playcalling has done little to nothing since he's been in Columbia. Without a top notch defense he's been mediocre and worse.
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You hit the nail on the head, it was Ellis Johnson's play...
Jun 21, 2015, 1:52 PM
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calling that played the biggest role in SCU's 4 years run of good seasons. If Ellis Johnson never came to SCU and some Rock Hill money buying some highly rated Rock Hill players didn't happen, I don't think the 5 in a row happens or the gamecocks having 4 good years in a row happens.
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We can play that game all day. 2009:
Jun 21, 2015, 3:22 PM
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Had Jamie Harper not fumbled, different ball game. 2011: Sammy catches that pass in the endzone, different ball game. 2012: We don't abandon the run in the second half, different ball game. 2013: Humphries doesn't muff that punt in the 4th, different ball game.
Not saying we win all of those...just the game could have gone differently.
2010 is the only year we had no chance to win.
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You take Connor off that team, and we win two of the last 3.***
Jun 21, 2015, 3:54 PM
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Re: You take Connor off that team, and we win two of the last 3.***
Jun 22, 2015, 8:46 AM
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I disagree. Our trouble those three years was defense and turnovers. Otherwise, we beat South Carolina.
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Billy Napier and Kevin Steele were the reasons for being out
Jun 21, 2015, 1:50 PM
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coached in the 3 years you mentioned.
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You can coach turnovers? How is it Dabo or Spurrier's
Jun 21, 2015, 3:18 PM
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fault that Clemson turned the ball over 3 times more than the coots did from 2009-13? That's the reason we lost. We played scared and tight, if anything we outcoached ourselves (i.e. Morris' play calling).
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I don't think it's arrogance, it's his alcoholism catching..
Jun 21, 2015, 1:46 PM
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up to him. The play calls your bring up would have never happened at his time at Florida. I think Spurrier has been teetering on the edge of being functional alcoholic or a disfunctional alcoholic, but it's finally catching up to him in old age. I will give him credit with what he got out of Connor Shaw, even with the bone headed play calling that has cost them some games. Connor Shaw really didn't have much talent to play the QB position, but Spurrier called plays that minimized Connor Shaw weaknesses and he always had his receivers run routes that would give a lane for Shaw to run in if nobody was open.
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Re: How many games has Spurrier and his "genius" playcalling
Jun 21, 2015, 1:58 PM
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I think it's hilarious how if you went to FGF last year they were fed up with spurlid and his play calling. They complained about him after every single game. But now when you go in there they use his "coaching abilities" as a factor in beating us this year. And how he can coach circles around Dabo and "owns him". Oh but last year spurrier was off his rocker, done lost his mind and was getting too old to coach. I guess they know something we don't. Maybe they know he's on some meds now, or maybe he quit drinking. It's funny how some memory loss and an off season can change people's minds.
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They want to have their cake and eat it too
Jun 21, 2015, 3:23 PM
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Or would it be chicken? Do they eat chicken in Columbia? Ironic.
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Re: They want to have their cake and eat it too
Jun 22, 2015, 9:21 AM
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The problem is lack of football tradition. They do not know what an actual good football team looks like. For example, during the five years they beat Clemson they thought they had a great team. If they look at the stats (with the exception of 2010 when our team had no clue who was going to play due to injury) we gave them four of the five games thanks to lack of defense and turnovers.
Also, they only had a few good players to mention. Their coach supposedly was "amazing" but masked a lot of their deficiencies like only have two productive players on offense in Lattimore and Jefferies (as of late it was Pharoah Cooper and Dylan Thompson), really tall TE's and an offensive line. Their defense was much worse. Stellar players that were starters but no depth behind them. Case in point, what happened after Hampton, Clowney and Quarrels left for the NFL.
Which brings me to coaching. I say it before and I will say it again you are only as good as your third and fourth string. If there was no coaching going on in Clemson, the offense this past year would have completely fallen off the map (which it didn't) and the defense would have never produced after the firing of Steele and the hiring of Venables (which it did produce). Clemson, just last year, showed how deep the defense was in that three of four starters on the defensive line this year (Reader, Lawson, Watkins), the LB corps and secondary all have lots of game experience and why we know the Ray Ray McCloud III was needed in on special teams as a threat to return kicks and punts (the missing piece).
We know what winning looks like. We don't think Dabo is God. We see he know what it takes to win and that is way more appreciated around here than "a name."
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Re: How many games has Spurrier and his "genius" playcalling
Jun 22, 2015, 12:29 PM
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If you only analyze losses, every coach looks terrible.
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Ok cool, let's analyze your wins. How many did you have
Jun 22, 2015, 2:37 PM
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last year again? 6? 7?
Superb coaching...
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