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I don't care if I ever see another Rebel Flag
Jun 21, 2015, 6:07 PM
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It's not that important to me but just because some people support it. That does not make those people racist. Was Bo and Luke Duke racist No, they where just good ole southern boys.
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Alrighty then.***
Jun 21, 2015, 6:12 PM
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Re: I don't care if I ever see another Rebel Flag
Jun 21, 2015, 6:33 PM
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> It's not that important to me but just because some
> people support it. That does not make those people
> racist. Was Bo and Luke Duke racist No, they where
> just good ole southern boys.
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Wut? Wait........Wut? Daisy had brothers?
Jun 21, 2015, 6:36 PM
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Loved the part in the Dukes movie
Jun 21, 2015, 6:39 PM
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when Knoxville and the other dude can't figure it out why everyone is flipping them off during the traffic jam....look on the roof, fellers.
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I remember Jessica Simpson washing that car.
Jun 22, 2015, 9:40 AM
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pic?***
Jun 22, 2015, 12:47 PM
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Oculus Spirit [93582]
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That was a statement addressing the issue.
Jun 23, 2015, 6:52 AM
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It made the point that white southerners, for the most part, do not consider the flag a symbol of support of slavery. You understand that, right?
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Re: I don't care if I ever see another Rebel Flag
Jun 21, 2015, 6:42 PM
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I agree and I'm as southern as it gets. I used to wear the Dixie outfitter shirts and have the stickers on my truck as a teenager. Now I could care less about it and if some people don't like it take it down. Who gives a #### about a war fought over 150 years ago.
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i am a native SC and i have never owned a Rebel Flag
Jun 23, 2015, 10:10 PM
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but this is a good sentiment.
who cares? take that stupidity down.
it is devisive.
I would talk about Christ, but too many flag supporters would claim to know Him somehow.
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Re: I don't care if I ever see another Rebel Flag
Jun 21, 2015, 6:44 PM
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Tigernet post.
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Re: I don't care if I ever see another Rebel Flag
Jun 21, 2015, 7:03 PM
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Sergeant Schultz
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Re: I don't care if I ever see another Rebel Flag
Jun 21, 2015, 7:04 PM
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Sergeant Schultz was a loveable character but he was still a nazi.
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He was an over-the-top fictional caricature nowhere close to what a
Jun 21, 2015, 7:33 PM
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Nazi was/stood for.
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Oculus Spirit [90693]
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Heard the Yanks didn't like sight of the Rebel flag OR their Rebel yell!
Jun 21, 2015, 7:08 PM
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History is history, no matter how it affected those then or now...but discretion is best way to proceed Now.
GoTiGERS
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Re: I don't care if I ever see another Rebel Flag
Jun 21, 2015, 7:05 PM
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The Confederate flag was put on the State House in 1962 in
remembrance of the start of the Civil War.The flag was to
brought down but it didn't.Hate groups have adopted the flag
and African Americans don't feel comfortable with it on the
State grounds.For those reasons it should be removed.ACC
tourney come back.
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CU Medallion [51520]
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It was put up in response to LBJ's endorsement of the
Jun 21, 2015, 7:32 PM
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Civil Rights Movement.
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Re: It was put up in response to LBJ's endorsement of the
Jun 21, 2015, 8:02 PM
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It was still the 100th anniversary of the start of the
Civil War.Democrat Gov.Hollings approved.It was to be
brought down shortly after that.
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Re: It was put up in response to LBJ's endorsement of the
Jun 21, 2015, 8:19 PM
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> It was still the 100th anniversary of the start of
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> Civil War.Democrat Gov.Hollings approved.It was to
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> brought down shortly after that.
Actually, we opened fire on Ft. Sumter April 12, 1861. Not sure why they would have celebrated the 100th anniversary (in SC)in 1962. But I agree with your original sentiment. My understanding was that it was put on the Capital because of SC's resistance to Integration and the Civil Rights Movement (Strom and the Dixiecrats).
I always thought it interesting that Strom was so anti-integration when he himself had a black daughter. Politicians, you can't live with them and you can't cut them into little pieces and mail them to the South Pole.
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Re: It was put up in response to LBJ's endorsement of the
Jun 21, 2015, 10:25 PM
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I stand corrected.I just forgot my history lesson on the civil war.I was
in the Army when it was put up and just got mixed up on the reason,but
it wasn't supposed too remain on the Dome.
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Re: It was put up in response to LBJ's endorsement of the
Jun 22, 2015, 12:17 PM
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Irmotig, thank you very much for your service to our country. We wouldn't have a country to debate issues like this if it weren't for men like you.
Go Tigers!
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Re: I don't care if I ever see another Rebel Flag
Jun 21, 2015, 10:12 PM
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I could not care less where the flag is, but....
Confederate Navy Jack: Used as a navy jack at sea from 1863 onward. This flag has become the generally recognized symbol of the South.
It is necessary to disclaim any connection of the flag to neo-nazis, red-necks, skin-heads and the like. These groups have adopted this flag and desecrated it by their acts. They have no right to use this flag - it is a flag of honor, designed by the confederacy as a banner representing state's rights and still revered by the South. In fact, under attack, it still flies at the South Carolina capitol building. The South denies any relation to these hate groups and denies them the right to use the flags of the confederacy for any purpose. The crimes committed by these groups under the stolen banner of the confederacy only exacerbate the lies which link the secession to slavery interests when, from a Southerner's view, the cause was state's rights.
My question is..if it is taken down, do the hate groups win because they stole the flag? And also, the American flag has 13 stripes to recognize the 13 original colonies. Most of the colonies fought under the Confederate flag. Should the 13 stripes be taken off of the American flag and 13 stars removed?
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There were 13 original colonies. There civil war position is not relevant.***
Jun 21, 2015, 10:19 PM
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How many times does it have to be explained
Jun 21, 2015, 10:33 PM
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it was put up as a big ole white middle finger to desegregation and the Civil Rights movement? Spare me the history of this flag. If anything, since everyone in this state is always screaming about "let us do what we wanna do", then put that flag up to a vote because the politicians don't have the cajones to do anything.
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Re: I don't care if I ever see another Rebel Flag
Jun 22, 2015, 9:59 AM
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Your last question is by far the dumbest I've seen on TigerNet.
How can we as whites, ask blacks to move on from the past and forgive for what was done to them, while flying that flag glorifying that same past? Take it down. If you're a Christian and think Jesus would let that flag fly you're sadly mistaken.
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Re: I don't care if I ever see another Rebel Flag
Jun 22, 2015, 5:52 PM
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You do have a point but the 13 colonies were divided during the war and they
were established long before that evil thing happened.
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It comes down probably within this month
Jun 21, 2015, 7:06 PM
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It won't survive this time.
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CU Medallion [51520]
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It scares me what the rural white trash rednecks out in
Jun 21, 2015, 7:31 PM
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Red Bank, Gilbert or Swansea might do in the wake of such an event.
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Re: It scares me what the rural white trash rednecks out in
Jun 21, 2015, 8:06 PM
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White trash? I know folks in Gilbert and Red Bank,that live
in six figure homes.I don't know any white trash or rednecks.
I didn't know those kind of folks exist.
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In the year 2015, "six figure home" isn't saying much.
Jun 22, 2015, 12:59 AM
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Pretty much anything over 1500 square feet anywhere in the US is probably going to cost you over $100,000.
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Re: In the year 2015, "six figure home" isn't saying much.
Jun 22, 2015, 5:59 PM
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I know folks in those areas you mentioned,who live in
1200 sq.ft homes that are worth 5 figures but they
are far from trash.Anyone on here that would call
another human being trash,needs some soul searching.
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Re: It comes down probably within this month
Jun 21, 2015, 9:54 PM
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read up on what has to take place in the SC House and Senate for the flag to come down.
Impossible to take it down.
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You want to bet?
Jun 22, 2015, 1:04 AM
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South Carolina has a huge black eye right now because of that flag.
I was born and raised in South Carolina. I've never understood the fascination over a flag for a losing cause that had some pretty dubious reasons for ever happening to begin with.
Long past time to let it go. Especially given the reason it was put back up in the first place (as TigerDrummer has already noted).
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Re: It comes down probably within this month
Jun 22, 2015, 6:40 AM
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I'm pretty sure what "has to happen" is going to be magically "expedited".
Our state is losing a lot more than just a basketball tourney over this silliness.
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My minister called it out this morning. We all applauded.
Jun 21, 2015, 9:11 PM
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It's time. Regardless of different perspectives, it's divisive. I hope the community of faith will unite and rally upon its removal. Will be good for healing and revival
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can't remember ever seeing any black people on Dukes of
Jun 21, 2015, 9:14 PM
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Hazzard.
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If they take the confederate monument down
Jun 22, 2015, 12:11 AM
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then all monuments on the state house grounds will have to be removed also this includes the black American monument. Either all of so heritage or none
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Re: If they take the confederate monument down
Jun 22, 2015, 8:38 AM
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Nobody's talking about taking the monument down
Jun 22, 2015, 1:08 PM
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The Confederate Monument is a statue - the Confederate Flag is currently flying on a pole just next to the monument. The discussion is about removing the flag (and of course the pole I would assume!).
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Re: I don't care if I ever see another Rebel Flag
Jun 22, 2015, 12:40 AM
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Clemson born and Clemson breed when I die I'll be Clemson dead. In other words I was born in South Carolina and I Love South Carolina (the state not the school if you want to calli it one) and after what happened in Charleston I realized it is time it comes down. My Dad was raised in a different time from me and he would have never saw it the way I see it now. It's 2015, it time to put the past behind us.
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Please explain to me how having the flag flying
Jun 22, 2015, 10:11 AM
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directly caused the shooting in Charleston? Thanks
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What he's saying is that event made him reevaluate his
Jun 22, 2015, 10:38 AM
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stance on the flag.
Nothing wrong with that at all.
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Re: Please explain to me how having the flag flying
Jun 22, 2015, 1:13 PM
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> directly caused the shooting in Charleston? Thanks
It didn't, any more than the American flag caused the attack on the world trade center. The American flag stands for freedom and democracy and all that is good about America. The confederate flag was allowed by "honorable" southerners to be adopted by the KKK, white supremacists and even the Nazi party that had a rally on the SC State house steps to congratulate SC for "it's courage in flying the confederate flag.
Where the flag once stood for heritage, good southerners allowed it's worst elements to steal the flag and fly it in the name of prejudice, hatred, anti-civil rights and racism.
The confederate flag didn't cause the attacks in Charleston. But the culture that supports it most certainly did. You'll notice that all those photos of Roof with the confederate flag aren't selfies.
IMHO
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Re: I don't care if I ever see another Rebel Flag
Jun 22, 2015, 1:18 AM
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take it down...
museums and other monuments should be off limits
you learn from history, you don't erase it
quite frankly I'm sick to death of hearing about it!
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I think this is one of those rare times when being
Jun 22, 2015, 6:53 AM
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"Politically Correct" and actually dong the best thing for all concerned are one and the same. Take it off the dome, and put it somewhere on the statehouse grounds same as other monuments to other state historical events. It should be there as a reminder of history, so that this particular history (The Civil War) does not ever repeat itself.
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Re: I think this is one of those rare times when being
Jun 22, 2015, 6:55 AM
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The flag is not on the dome anymore , its on a monument next to Gervais street , at eye level .
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Re: I don't care if I ever see another Rebel Flag
Jun 22, 2015, 12:17 PM
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The flag's meaning is lost along with the reason the Civil War was fought.
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I just don't see any positives to having it up.
Jun 22, 2015, 1:16 PM
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Being a symbol of the Confederacy isn't much/any better than the symbol of hatred that it has become in the hands of certain groups today. After all, Confederate VP Alexander Stephens had this to say in his famous Cornerstone Speech:
"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition."
It is part of our history and as such deserves to be preserved in museums, but there's no place for it at the state house.
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What are the positives to taking it down?
Jun 23, 2015, 7:05 AM
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Tell me you think the PC nuts will stop whining or Swaffie will allow the football conference championship to be played here, please, tell me.
Tell me MSNBC and CNN will stop painting the residents of this state redneck backwoods sister bangers, please tell me.
Tell me Jessie and Al won't move on to the next thing to whine about and for God's sake, tell me that nobody will ever go insane and kill somebody, please, please.
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It would be a good start.***
Jun 23, 2015, 9:08 AM
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Bring it down.
Jun 22, 2015, 1:45 PM
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It doesn't get to stand for what it used since we allowed the racists and ignoramuses to hijack it. It has no place on those grounds.
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It "used to be" the flag of the Army of Northern Virginia
Jun 22, 2015, 1:52 PM
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Who were fighting for the Confederate states' right to have slaves.
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But the war was about states' rights!
Jun 22, 2015, 1:58 PM
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States' rights to own slaves...
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Do you really think 750,000 people died over slaves?***
Jun 22, 2015, 7:04 PM
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Sure they did.
Jun 23, 2015, 7:11 AM
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That's why whites are on the streets defending blacks from gang shootings and drivebys. Perhaps a better question is, 'Do you think northern whites died to free southern blacks?' What, they couldn't see the impact on wage due to the increase of the supply of labor above the Mason Dixon line?
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Tariffs, taxes and individual states rights to determine
Jun 23, 2015, 10:33 AM
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their own economic ad taxing system had nothing to do with the war. Nope..not at all.
Because everyone in the south owned slaves, so everyone had a vested interstate in making sure the slavery continued.
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