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How do you guys that were in favor of NIL feel about it now?
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How do you guys that were in favor of NIL feel about it now?


Dec 13, 2021, 9:01 AM

Without any rules governing NIL, small schools are going to suffer... just look at what's happening already. These players are simply being paid huge sums of money to play college football. Aren't college athletes supposed to be considered amateur? This has gotten out of hand already, and it will only get worse.
What "rules" can they NCAA put in place to help control this monster they have allowed to take over?

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I think it will work itself out eventually...


Dec 13, 2021, 9:16 AM

One thing that I see happening is the PR/marketing department at schools becoming a more important role. You could have these departments working with local/regional/national businesses to line up potential advertising campaigns, etc. Then just plug in the player. You could work a campaign that covers fall, winter and spring with football/soccer, basketball, and end with softball/baseball. You could even work minor deals for the Olympic sports players.

It will definitely change the face of college sports, but to me it will be the schools who are smart and figure out a process for dealing with it that will survive, more so than the ones who just throw tons of money at it.

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Re: I think it will work itself out eventually...


Dec 13, 2021, 11:22 AM

But in the short term, many schools will suffer from loss of these star players to the one-two punch of the portal and NIL.

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Re: How do you guys that were in favor of NIL feel about it now?


Dec 13, 2021, 9:25 AM

I do hate the impact that it appears to be having on my school, but that doesn't take away from the fact that letting a kid benefit from their identity is the right thing to do. I don't think they made the change with the fans' feelings in mind. Seems like a lot of folks only look at the impact it has on their team, and not how crazy it is for a governing body to say you can't use your own name to make a buck.

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Re: How do you guys that were in favor of NIL feel about it now?


Dec 13, 2021, 9:28 AM

They have to find some way to govern it though. They need to place some sort of cap on it. It’s basically just free agency now. I think I read somewhere that kid from Ohio St that’s going to Texas was offered a 7 figure NIL deal to sign with the Longhorns.

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Re: How do you guys that were in favor of NIL feel about it now?


Dec 13, 2021, 9:30 AM

Yes. And I don't think he's played more than a couple of snaps. Imagine getting mucho $ without having proven anything on the college level.

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Re: How do you guys that were in favor of NIL feel about it now?


Dec 13, 2021, 9:32 AM [ in reply to Re: How do you guys that were in favor of NIL feel about it now? ]

That is also fair

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Re: How do you guys that were in favor of NIL feel about it now?


Dec 13, 2021, 9:33 AM [ in reply to Re: How do you guys that were in favor of NIL feel about it now? ]

The Ohio St kid got paid 1.4 million dollars in high school to go to Ohio St. He skipped his senior year of football for the money. Then a Texas "booster club" or whatever offered him a reportedly 3-5 million and he took it and transferred.

This kid is 18. He hasn't played in a game since his junior year of high school. He now has 4-6.5 million dollars.

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Re: How do you guys that were in favor of NIL feel about it now?


Dec 13, 2021, 11:09 AM

Good for him. So, he goes to some college for 3-4 years, wins them a natty or two, all while every one in the college athletic dept. and the tv networks and announcer/analysts are all making tons of money on the player's talents and the player is not making squat.(save the argument about a free education for later)The player has to play for free for 3-4 years before he makes any money at the next level and if a career ending injury during that time ends his career as a player, he is chit out of luck.

If someone is willing to pay the players a huge sum for NIL or buy the player to play for XYZ school, then so be it. College FB quit being an amateur sport when the TV networks and everyone not a player started making millions of dollars on the backs of the young players. Anyone paying attention knew where this would end up. If the greedy folks making all of the money had been willing to share a little of it with the players, by paying them all the same amount, this NIL may have never happened. But, no, the NCAA and mostly, coaches did not want to do that. So, here we are.

The top college FB programs have ALWAYS gotten the best talent and now, they just have to find a way to pay more for it. They were paying for it by having better facilities, coaches, equipment, all the things that go into a school's FB program. They were not having to pay for individual players. Now they will and the best will go to the highest bidders. That's called, the free mkt. system. It operates in all professional sports. Big time college FB is now on a level with the NFL. And it's about time the players cashed in.

IMHO.

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Re: How do you guys that were in favor of NIL feel about it now?


Dec 17, 2021, 5:41 AM

Touche'..... The Jeany is out the bottle now!!!
State your wish young fella? ????????

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There is absolutely nothing “crazy” about telling players


Dec 17, 2021, 8:53 AM [ in reply to Re: How do you guys that were in favor of NIL feel about it now? ]

that IF they play football at your school, they cannot profit off of their NIL. Most organizations have stipulations on how you can represent yourself while being associated with them.

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Re: How do you guys that were in favor of NIL feel about it now?


Dec 13, 2021, 9:30 AM

What I hate is that there is no meaningful enforcement. So what if the NCAA says Phil Knight at Oregon broke NIL rules. They left it to the individual states to pass the law and enforce it themselves. Do you really think the state of Oregon is going to punish their 65 billion dollar man?

We investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong. Or a slap on the wrist.

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The "monster" isn't NIL


Dec 13, 2021, 9:42 AM

The monster is the insane amount of money involved in CFB: Coaches salaries, athletic budgets, recruiting budgets, TV contacts, etc that enrich everyone except the athletes. This is what led to NIL.

In other words, NIL is just a symptom that people love to focus on, not the real problem. That should be clear by now.

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Dec 13, 2021, 10:07 AM



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NIL or Transfer Portal?


Dec 13, 2021, 10:28 AM

The nil alone isn't doing this. The T.P. is far more damaging.
You have kids transferring who haven't done anything in cfb yet. Frank Ladson comes to mind. About as well.
If they had to sit a year as non superstar players "would they"?
I don't think so.

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Why should players be chained to a school...


Dec 13, 2021, 10:31 AM

when coaches are not?

There is a reason the NCAA gave this one away for free. They realized they had no chance in court.

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that is the worst argument ever.............


Dec 13, 2021, 10:35 AM

coaches are adults and players are students. that's like saying why can a teacher leave campus during school hours and a kid can't? Because teachers and students aren't the same. And coaches and players aren't the same.

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Talk about a terrible argument


Dec 13, 2021, 10:43 AM

There is a reason the NCAA gave away the store when it came to the transfer portal. They knew they had no legal leg to stand on and didn't want to lose another highly publicized case.

Acting preemptively avoided them another public bloody nose.

The way some people hide behind the "adult vs. student" and "professional vs. amateur" nonsense to argue a point is disturbing. It is a giant blind spot.

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Except these "kids" now are legally adults.


Dec 13, 2021, 10:50 AM [ in reply to that is the worst argument ever............. ]

That may be the worst argument I've ever seen.

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Re: How do you guys that were in favor of NIL feel about it now?


Dec 13, 2021, 9:43 AM

We don't get a vote. Colleges are in business to educate students not to build bigger cases for trophies. As long as there is an academic piece of the puzzle, the portal for athletes is no different than for any other student.

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Re: How do you guys that were in favor of NIL feel about it now?


Dec 13, 2021, 11:12 AM

But the problem with your argument is when the portal and NIL are combined together, the "student athlete" can leave at any moment for more money. The rest of the students rely on the athletic programs to help the university overall. This is hurting the everyday student as well. Do you think Clemson University would have grown to the size and stature it now enjoys without a successful athletic program (mainly football)? Clemson has grown into an elite university now (both athletically and academically), and the rest of the country knows it. Why do you think we get top students now?

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It absolutely needs to be strictly regulated...


Dec 13, 2021, 9:50 AM

or recruiting will turn into a legalized wild wild West recruiting bidding war.

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Yeah, just like coaches are


Dec 13, 2021, 9:52 AM

What's good for Lincoln Riley and Brian Kelly...

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Dec 13, 2021, 10:03 AM



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If a coach can abandon his team...


Dec 13, 2021, 10:08 AM

players should be able to do the same.

If CFB coaches' salaries were capped and they were forced to finish out contracts, this discussion would be much different.

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There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between...


Dec 13, 2021, 10:16 AM

a person whose professional career is working as a collegiate coach and a kid who is an amateur athlete.

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The Supreme Court will have the final say...


Dec 13, 2021, 10:25 AM

and based on some of the oral arguments justices made about NIL, it's clear they will render a unanimous decision you won't like.

Brace yourself. It's coming.

Time to get over this "amateur athlete" stuff. Makes me wince whenever I hear the term.

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I am a firm believer...


Dec 13, 2021, 10:47 AM

that NIL and the transfer portal will be the ruination of college football.

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The problem we have now is that each State is putting in


Dec 13, 2021, 10:07 AM

their own legislative NIL laws. Some are more restrictive than others and depending on the State different things are allowed. Combine that with the Supreme Court's beat down of the NCAA for their draconian stance on athlete compensation and we have the conditions for the NCAA to throw it's hands up and just let NIL go wild. As we are seeing, certain schools will take advantage of their resources and State's NIL laws and create an advantage that other schools simply cannot match.

I hate that politicians and State legislatures got involved in this to start with. If only the NCAA had not been so stupid in their foresight and addressed player compensation 10 years ago... However, now that the legislative levees have been breached, it is probably going to require a Federal legislative "fix" to level the playing field. I hate the idea of this more than I can put into words but I just don't see any other way of reining in the current NIL wild west to some semblance of a level playing field without an overarching intervention.

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You see things clearly


Dec 13, 2021, 10:14 AM

Years of NCAA obstinacy over players' rights led to the explosion happening now.

However, one thing should be understood: The NCAA has been nothing more than a puppet acting as a front doing the bidding of the Power 5 conferences. This includes taking flak for them.

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Dec 13, 2021, 10:19 AM

The NCAA makes 1.3 billion a year and keeps 40% of the profits. I bet they are happy they found someone else to pay the athletes.

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Re: How do you guys that were in favor of NIL feel about it now?


Dec 13, 2021, 10:31 AM

I've always had mixed feelings about it. I think players should be allowed to earn off of their own name and image. For instance, it was obvious the college football game was making the players as much like the real life players as possible just without their names. There was no reason IMO to not just pay each player some equal amount per player based on whatever percentage was decided instead of just having to stop making the game.

Another thing was selling jerseys with the number of certain players. Sure, the jerseys didn't have their names, but it's funny how you could always find a jersey being sold for your favorite team featuring the exact number of 2-3 key players each year. I could give many more examples of how players should have rights under a fair system to earn money off of their own image.

On the other hand there was always a fear of what what we're starting to see here. It's even worse than I feared to be honest. I pictured we'd maybe see the occasional story of a player getting a huge deal, but for the most part I thought it'd be things like a few thousand here and there to sign autographs or be in a local commercial or something. I knew Clemson didn't have as much money to go around, but I thought that would be the difference in having fewer local businesses to pay a few thousand here and there for local commercials which might mean losing out on a recruit here and there because a college in a bigger town gave the recruit the chance to earn a few thousand more. This made me think the ones we'd miss out on would mostly be the types that might not fit our culture to begin with because they were the type to simply go to the higher bidder.

I somehow didn't see it being so open that "companies" could offer $50,000 per OL player or something like that.

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Re: How do you guys that were in favor of NIL feel about it now?


Dec 13, 2021, 10:53 AM

Pig® said:

Without any rules governing NIL, small schools are going to suffer... just look at what's happening already. These players are simply being paid huge sums of money to play college football. Aren't college athletes supposed to be considered amateur? This has gotten out of hand already, and it will only get worse.
What "rules" can they NCAA put in place to help control this monster they have allowed to take over?


How about instead of offering scholarships you pay the players the value of that scholarship. Then they can use the money to pay tuition, taxes, all their bills, and they are finally getting paid.

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There was no choice


Dec 13, 2021, 11:08 AM

It is (and should be) illegal for wealthy football programs to make millions from the sale of products featuring their student athletes, while the athlete gets nothing from the sale. Had schools done their homework and offered something not quite as free-agent like as NIL, perhaps it would be better. But nobody stepped up and this is the natural result. Gonna be difficult to stave off true free agency now.

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Dec 13, 2021, 11:18 AM

I agree with you to a point. The NFL doesn't even allow this easy type of free agency. They have rules to protect the franchises from being completely ravaged during the season and somewhat after the season ends. The colleges are now in a free-for-all.

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Ya, the top recruit just committed to Jackson St over FSU


Dec 17, 2021, 7:34 AM

because of NIL. “Small schools are going to suffer…”

Players finally get the freedom to change schools just like their coaches do. Players finally getting to earn a piece of the millions of dollars their hard work is generating. All good with it so far! It will change some things in recruiting for sure, but the end result will be more just for the players. Evolve and adapt.

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Re: How do you guys that were in favor of NIL feel about it now?


Dec 17, 2021, 9:52 AM

Yeah, Jacksonville state might disagree that "Small Schools Suffer"....

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