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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 5:55 PM
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Lists like that mean nothing but reflect a what have you done lately thinking.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 5:57 PM
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Again what has Lincoln Riley done?
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 6:01 PM
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I’m going Dabo then Saban(most could and should win at Bama) then it is either Day or Fickell in my mind. Smart not sure where I would put him they were loaded this year and made it work. Kelly, Jimbo, Riley, Harbaugh not sold on any of those guys.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 6:02 PM
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I agree with Fickell being higher. First to get a group of 5 school in the Playoff.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 6:09 PM
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Yeah, agree with fickell and day as well. Day's recruiting on par with Dabo. Uga was handed keys and whether bought or not (imo yes, bought) when you have 3 or 4 top 3 recruiting classes in a row, and a transfer from Clemson then I'd say lots of coaches would stumble on a natty eventually. So Kirby as a coach. Towards the bottom.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 7:45 PM
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Because Dabo has built Clemson into what they currently are, and at Bama I believe a lot of people could win there. He is a great coach but Bama is Bama and when comparing job difficulties and finances and results I feel Dabo does a lot more with less. Of course I’m biased so you have that as well.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 7:51 PM
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Bama was a train wreck when Saban took over, Shula ran that program into the ground, they were what Tennessee is now, there was no prestige or ambiance about the program. Saban built
It, fast, Shula left a program that lost to Louisiana Lafayette in Saban’s first year, no talent and no culture. Saban is the greatest CFB coach of all time and it’s not even close, and he built it, just faster than Dabo— at Bama.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 8:02 PM
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Shula was bad…like I said I believe a lot of people can win in Bama . Bryant did fairly well, Stallings was no slouch and if Dabo was at Bama I personally believe he would be mentioned as the best or number 2. Like I said I’m biased but imo you have to be pretty bad not to win as tradition rich as Bama. Place sells itself to recruits. No doubt great coach but would like to see what it would be like if him and Dabo traded places.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 9:23 PM
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Saban is a fine coach, no doubt. But his accomplishments at Bama are not as impressive as Dabo's accomplishments here.
The real measure of his prowess as a coach isn't because he has been better than Mike Shula or Mike Dubose at a stupendous FB powerhouse like Bama. Numerous coaches have won BIG at Bama; Bama's reputation is such that it is attractive 'across the generations' to HS FB players. Bama always had, and always will have, stupendous talent. Good solid coaching can readily push Bama to great heights (as B.Bryant, G.Stallings, and now Saban have shown). Really really good coaching can produce Nat. Championships at a place like Bama.
Saban's best work is illustrated by his work at Michigan State. MI State, a historically middle-of-the-road program), had no winning seasons and an overall losing record (with losing seasons in 3 of the 4 seasons) prior to Saban's arrival in Lansing.
Saban coached for 5 seasons at MI State; his final season there (1999) won 10 games. Prior to 1999, MI State had last won 10 games in 1965.
The fact that Saban could win at a medium-quality program like Mi State and also win big at two top-end programs (LSU being the other one) is why he is one of the top coaches. But there are better coaches who do more with far less talent than Saban has done.
Dabo has accomplished more at Clemson (we've been better program than MI State since the 1977, but not among college FBs elite until recently) than what Saban would've accomplished at places like Clemson.
Kyle Whittingham ran with the 2 really good seasons that U.Meyer started at Utah and has kept Utah as a true powerhouse for 17 seasons. Way out there in Utah, no less. Saban would have probably done well at Utah, but Whittingham's record at Utah is better than Saban's 5 good seasons at MI State.
Matt Campbell (also not on 247 Sport's lazy list) has accomplished a near miracle at IA State. He has taken a true doormat program and turned into a fine program. In Campbell's 5 years at IA State, they've won 8 8 7 9 7 games. Maybe Campbell wouldn't be winning national championships at the powerhouse programs such as OH State, Florida, aTm, Michigan, LSU, Texas, or N.Dame, but he's better than L.Riley or K.Smart ... and probably better than Ryan Day.
Saban's great, but sorry ... no way is he the best of all time even though he's been Bama's best coach. Saban's accomplishments at Bama are not as impressive as Dabo's accomplishments here.
The 247 Sports list is just another sports publication's piece of lazy click-bait.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 12, 2022, 7:43 AM
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Wow, I'm impressed truly. Nice piece of work.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 8:01 PM
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No. No. No.
Bama $ucked when Saban arrived. Mike Shula and others had run the Bama program into the ground. Saban is the clear #1 on the field by a long shot.
It's off the field where Dabo supports academics and graduation for all players where Dabo surpasses Saban.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 8:13 PM
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I’m a die hard Clemson guy and will never say that the Bama guy is better than our guy. Dabo is 2 and 2 in head to head battles. I get you guys points and it’s just my opinion but feel Dabo wins at least 4 by now at a place like Bama after seeing the job he has done at Clemson with the train wreck Tommy left him as well. We are blessed to have a great one in Clemson!
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 6:03 PM
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The ROY Bus is purring and ready for another tour.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 6:22 PM
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Let's see where Kirby is at at the end of 2022>
You can have 30 top recruiting classes in a row and if you don't know what to do with the talent- Does it really matter?
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 6:48 PM
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I’d be careful knocking the UGA program right now, Great players win a lot of games and can make a coach look real good too!
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 8:59 PM
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Don’t blink.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 6:50 PM
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Dabo has accomplished way more than Kirby has. This 10-win down season would be considered average at UGA.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 7:05 PM
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That's a fair enough ranking. WHo cares? It's splitting hairs. That said, I think Jimbo Fisher is completely overrated. He may win a couple more titles the way he is recruiting, but he is overrated as a coach.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 12, 2022, 12:21 AM
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with you on Jimbo. hows that guy gotten where he is.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 12, 2022, 9:02 AM
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Jimbo is overrated imo. He has now got enough booster money to get him a #1 class so he may win another one but in my mind it will have been bought. Have heard nothing on him being nothing more than a whiny bxxxch.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 7:25 PM
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Saban then Dabo then yes a large gap. Until Kirby demonstrates sustained success, as much as I hate to, I would have to put Kelly and Jimbo above him and the others based on their career records. Then the rest of them all kind of lump together IMO.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 8:00 PM
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We play in the ACC There is no telling how Georgia would have done in the ACC. There numerous teams that would have been the playoff as often as we were had they been in the ACC and we were not. On the other hand, if we were in the SEC the road would have been much tougher each year. I would say it is Saban and then a large drop off to everyone else.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 8:08 PM
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The SEC East is not great. A top 5 team will at least get to the conference championship on that side fairly easy. Ga dominated the east and wasn’t even close.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 8:30 PM
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True, but the ACC sucks usually and all they have to do is get through that. It's usually that we have all season to put it together without much competition. Georgia could have done that easier in the ACC. We could be a one loss team and still make the playoff. This upcoming season if we get halfway decent QB play, stay healthy, beat Notre Dame, we are in the playoff. We have been destroyed a couple of times in the playoff too obviously. We have great players, often a questionable Oline, sometimes weakish play calling, but we can get by with that due to the ACC. When we go to the ACC Championship that is usually just a formality. I think this year our team will be stacked again though. Maybe the best D in the country.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 12, 2022, 7:58 AM
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You're right. If you truly take the orange colored glasses off. We probably don't make the playoffs in 2016 if we played in the SEC. We had some close calls. Our D gave up some points during the season.
2018 Dabo put together a whole team. Other than the 2018 season, we've had at least one to two position groups that were average at best.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 8:02 PM
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The knock on Kirby was "can't win the big one." He wins the big one and the narrative changes to sustained success. How do you figure Jimbo or Kelly have more sustained success (since that's now the standard)?
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 9:01 PM
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Kelly is the winningest coach in ND history. Any more questions?
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 9:20 PM
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He has no National Titles though. He had some bad years in there too. It was only something 5 years ago that they won something like 4 or 5 games on the season. You know you would take Kirby at Clemson over Kelly. I don't think Kelly will do well at LSU. I would take Lincoln Riley over Kelly.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 8:20 PM
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Great players make great coaches! Kirby is right up there because of how well he recruits. I’ve said it before and I hope I’m wrong but I believe UGA is at the top and will be a dominate program for awhile. Saban will retire and when he does lookout for UGA to become that Bama type program.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 8:26 PM
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And while I also hate to say it I don’t believe Dabo would have the success he does if we were in the SEC. I know the East is awful outside of Georgia but you still are required to play two teams from the west and usually one of those is pretty dang good. Adding OU and Texas will only strengthen the conference.
I just don’t think Dabo’s recruiting/transfer policy and even his NIL policy would keep up. Yes, he’s standing up for principals and he has the moral high ground but there’s a lot of snakes out there. His recruiting classes have to be bigger to develop more depth and he would have to accept multiple transfer guys in to address and upgrade needs. Look at how we struggled this year in the ACC which is no where near the grind the SEC is.
Just my 2 cents. I know I’ll be called a coot or a dawg for posting this.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 12, 2022, 9:09 AM
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That’s part of the do more with less that I am speaking of. Recruiting would be totally different at a SEC school imo. There are 4-5 schools in that conference that should always be top 15 in recruiting every year as far as money and fan support. SEC over recruits and cuts the extras Dabo does not play that game.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 8:34 PM
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It might be easier to recruit to Georgia due to the SEC though than it is to Clemson and to the ACC. That really shows how special Dabo and staff are to consistently do so well. The SEC gets constant hype and the ACC is constantly ragged on.
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That’s an extremely valid point!***
Feb 11, 2022, 8:48 PM
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 11, 2022, 9:22 PM
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Definitely. They love him. He is special. Everyone does.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 12, 2022, 12:44 AM
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Dabo would not have lost a game if he'd had the players that Kirby had last season. I'm not sure Saban could have won 10 games with what was going on with the Tigers last season, and I know Kirby would have bombed.
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Re: Disrespectful to Dabo, it’s Saban/Dabo then the drop off is serious
Feb 12, 2022, 7:52 AM
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1. Saban = GOAT
2. Dabo
Gap
3. Smart
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Hairball beats Day once and jumps 2 spots ahead of him?
Feb 12, 2022, 8:03 AM
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Or does not getting the Vikings job make him that much better?
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Re: Hairball beats Day once and jumps 2 spots ahead of him?
Feb 12, 2022, 9:28 AM
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Harbaugh over rated in this poll. 1 great season at Michigan. Michigan should not be a hard place to win. They finally make a playoff and they look like Ok or ND. He may be a better fit in the NFL not sure why one succeeds or does not succeed at one or the other. Saban the goat to some on here was not spectacular at the Dolphins either. It’s like comparing the greatest QB’s. Did Stafford become a great QB this year? Why? Why do people compare rookie QB’s like the guy at NE, which I believe did well, but was he really better than TL as the top rookie QB or get picked by a better team? I don’t think so. Put any QB at Jacksonville and they will look avg at best. Comparisons are tough because there are a lot of circumstances that have to line up to put you in a position to be great. Fickell impressed me this year being at Cincinnati and the job he has done. What does Fickell or Dabo accomplish in Bama? Who knows for certain but my money says multiple national championships.
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Honestly the biggest drop-off is between Saban and everyone
Feb 12, 2022, 9:47 AM
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else.
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