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CU Medallion [60034]
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Hey nancies, how about this
Apr 20, 2020, 10:50 PM
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stay the #### home if you are scared or have some real or makeup disease. Let the rest of us live our lives.
Open this #### up. Now.
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Oculus Spirit [75714]
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While I am beyond tired of this mess, here is the
Apr 21, 2020, 8:57 AM
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general problem with that. You get this fearless person that goes 5-6 places a day. This increase the odds they get something then dispense it other places. This is where the impact to the at risk person comes in. It doesn't matter if that person is only going to one store once a week to get stuff if the rest of the #### store is full of people who are going places all the time.
Now, I don't think we can stay closed up until we have a week of 0 new cases. We just need to be sure hospitals are equipped to handle what they get then the generally healthy population be in charge of helping out their own at risk loved ones.
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not sure why the media "hides" important info
Apr 21, 2020, 9:39 AM
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I found the following info buried deep in articles......this is stuff that is referenced from time to time, but the data is rarely highlighted. I suppose it's to keep people "scared".
Basically, if you are under 70 and don't have diabetes or asthma or some lung ailment, you might get sick, but you ain't gonna die. If you don't interact daily with unhealthy or retired people, you pose very little public threat to anyone. Looks like ONE person under 40 has died in SC, 3-4 under 50 with unclear previous health conditions (I'm betting they aren't in the 17 that had no underlying health problems).
Note:this is pertaining to South Carolina
DHEC also announced that four people died after testing positive for the coronavirus, raising that total to 124. State health officials described 106 of the people as elderly, 18 patients were middle-aged, and all but 17 are confirmed to have had underlying medical conditions.
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That is where you are wrong, Chief.
Apr 21, 2020, 9:48 AM
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"If you don't interact daily with unhealthy or retired people, you pose very little public threat to anyone."
If you daily interact with only healthy, young, attractive coeds, but those coeds also interact with, say, other people, and those other people interact with other people and so on, you are inadvertently a public health threat. The only way we really aren't is if you get the virus and then are immune and, I assume, no longer a carrier.
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Oculus Spirit [79189]
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Healthy, young, attractive coeds
Apr 21, 2020, 9:49 AM
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Go on...
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Heisman Winner [105525]
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Yes, because this virus is EXACTLY the same as the other
Apr 21, 2020, 9:51 AM
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viruses that we have, have studied EXTENSIVELY, and have the EXACT SAME infection rate and death rate as this one.
Good try, Chief. I know you are ready for this to be over, all of us are.
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but that's not my fault, I'm no one's guardian or caretaker
Apr 21, 2020, 9:58 AM
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This is "Butterfly Effect" logic. You would drive yourself insane trying to live like that.
My responsibility begins and ends with my own actions, not worrying about what potentially dangerous actions others take.
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Oculus Spirit [75714]
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I don't think the Greenville news folks do
Apr 21, 2020, 9:52 AM
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as every time I hear them report is mentions underlying health issues.
I'm not even sure the total number of cases is an important number. I'd like to see the number that test positive AND have to be in the hospital.
Remember this was supposed to be all about keeping the hospitals from getting overrun. So if your 30 to 60 year olds are catching it, recovering, but needing the hospital to recover then we still have a issue.
I wonder how many fewer car crashes that send people to the hospital we are seeing now.
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Oculus Spirit [79189]
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Heard on NPR yesterday that some of the insurance companies
Apr 21, 2020, 9:53 AM
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are reporting 30-50% less auto accident claims as of late. prolly not in SC though cause the roads are still packed.
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I think we are getting 20% premium reductions for April
Apr 21, 2020, 9:55 AM
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and May, I assume due to so many less claims so they are passing the "savings" on to us.
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Oculus Spirit [85298]
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Farm Bureau doing 15% of two months
Apr 21, 2020, 11:36 AM
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So that is say $1,800/yr = $150/MO - $150X2X0.15 = $45.
#### YEAH!
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Oculus Spirit [75714]
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I've seen commercials where premiums have
Apr 21, 2020, 9:57 AM
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been reduced. Now, all of that 30-50% aren't crashes that would send somebody to the hospital but a few of them are. If the staff is at capacity with covid folks, what are they to do with car crashes, strokes, heart attacks,etc. Triage gets harder when people and supplies are stretched too thin.
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I don't think they're hiding it, it's pretty known that
Apr 21, 2020, 9:59 AM
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it heavily affects older people.
The question is though, how many of those younger people still need to go into the ICU and use a ventilator? (I really don't know the answer, not a leading question)
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thats because they aren't making stats readily available
Apr 21, 2020, 10:05 AM
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I'm not sure the reason why. Some of it is because they DON'T KNOW. Like how many get it and have no symptoms, that will never be known.
But they DO know how many <40 year olds that have been hospitalized. It would be nice to know that, wouldn't it? They DO know how many of those that have needed a respirator. That would be useful info too.
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thx. Sooo.......sounds like FAT
Apr 21, 2020, 10:14 AM
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During March 1–30, underlying medical conditions and symptoms at admission were reported through COVID-NET for approximately 180 (12.1%) hospitalized adults (Table); 89.3% had one or more underlying conditions. The most commonly reported were hypertension (49.7%), obesity (48.3%), chronic lung disease (34.6%), diabetes mellitus (28.3%), and cardiovascular disease (27.8%). Among patients aged 18–49 years, obesity was the most prevalent underlying condition, followed by chronic lung disease (primarily asthma) and diabetes mellitus. Among patients aged 50–64 years, obesity was most prevalent, followed by hypertension and diabetes mellitus; and among those aged ?65 years, hypertension was most prevalent, followed by cardiovascular disease and diabetes mellitus.
Walking the PC tightrope here.
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Oculus Spirit [81889]
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LOL, sounds like it.
Apr 21, 2020, 10:16 AM
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This whole stay at home is making people fatter, which makes us more susceptible to this virus, this is a bad Catch-22!
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Gov't conspiracy if I ever saw one***
Apr 21, 2020, 10:21 AM
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...and the grocery stores were allowed to stay open
Apr 21, 2020, 10:28 AM
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and there is no ICE CREAM shortage??!?!!
They trying to kill us all!
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lack of toilet paper making us hold all those dumps in***
Apr 21, 2020, 10:30 AM
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Re: I don't think they're hiding it, it's pretty known that
Apr 21, 2020, 1:46 PM
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If you go on a ventilator, you are going to die anyway (80%) or live on a ventilator for the rest of your life (10%), so practically none.
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Oculus Spirit [79189]
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I'm with ya, but the problem with people doing that is
Apr 21, 2020, 9:03 AM
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people. People are the problem. Guy here at my work had some issues. Went to the doctor and even got tested for the rona. Came back to work and kept on working until he got a call from the doctor. Tested positive, and not for AIDS, but for Rona. Now we don't know how many might have been exposed to it, but we sent 10 people home to self quarantine.
People are dumb and can't be trusted. We are the biggest virus on this planet.
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Nancies. WOW.
Apr 21, 2020, 9:04 AM
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That the most sexist and racist thing against white women I've ever heard. We've got to stop using the 'N-word' now or trust me...the unicorns will never cross under the glorious rainbow and leave candy kindness nuggets under our pillows at night while we sleep and not gore us through the sternum with their super-sharp poisonous unicorn horns for being big meanies.
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Yeah.. no.
Apr 21, 2020, 9:45 AM
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Because what you end up with is Steven and his leather 5x motorcycle club jacket and his 2004 F150 go all over god's creation because it's "muh right"
Then he goes to the grocery store where 80 year old Ethel who is trying to get in and out without being exposed because she has run out of food.
Steven infects Ethel. Ethel dies. Steven gets the sniffles.
Now multiply that scenario times 100 and that's what would happen.
All because Steven wants to get his hair cut.
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Oculus Spirit [79189]
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What's the alternative?***
Apr 21, 2020, 9:47 AM
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Oculus Spirit [75714]
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Make sure the hospitals have what they need
Apr 21, 2020, 9:54 AM
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the have people take care of their own at risk people rather than having the 80 year olds going to the stores on their own.
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Limit overall contact
Apr 21, 2020, 10:07 AM
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You're not going to see 0 people a day unless you're a warlord with his own domain.
But going from 100 contacts a day to 20. Then those people go from 100 contacts a day down to 20.
While it's not 0. It is a significant less amount of contact between people which slows the spread of the virus keeping the hospitals from being overrun.
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Oculus Spirit [79189]
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1 month? 6 months? 2 years?
Apr 21, 2020, 10:24 AM
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No one has stated at what point we can think about stopping this.
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All depends on the data coming in.
Apr 21, 2020, 10:29 AM
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Problem states are running into now is testing.
How do we know how many people have the virus if we don't have adequate testing.
We need real data.
Once we see the data and can tell how many new cases are happening, we can start to see just how long this is going to be.
That's why the plan Trump's team came up with is a good plan.
The problem is, governors like McMaster are cowing down to the vocal minority in the state who want it open right now.
It would surprise me if we don't have a new spike in cases in a couple of weeks and have to shut it back down again.
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Could we ever have "adequate" testing?
Apr 21, 2020, 10:46 AM
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I can be tested today, and two days later be tested again and have the virus.
Apparently, I can also have the virus, get over it, then test positive again in two weeks.
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If you're waiting for good data
Apr 21, 2020, 10:48 AM
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We'll all be dead by then. Most from natural causes. We won't get it, plain and simple. I mean for ##### sake look at all the people that don't do the census or even worse, tax returns.
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I haven't done my tax return
Apr 21, 2020, 10:50 AM
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I'll do it July 14th.
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I mean all together, not you late people***
Apr 21, 2020, 10:58 AM
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I'll owe money.
Apr 21, 2020, 11:07 AM
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no reason to give throw it away today (and me having to pay even more taxes after paying taxes all year is exactly that--throwing money away)
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Re: 1 month? 6 months? 2 years?
Apr 21, 2020, 10:41 AM
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This is my thing. I do not think they know and everyone is so hyperpolitical and it being an election year, who wants to go first.
Kudos to Kemp for doing what he is attempting.
I understand people like FBCoach hate their job and love to sit at home, but most of us dont and understand that many, many, many people are starting to run out of money, food and resources. We need to get people back to work, even if that means 2% of the ones that get infected dies. Like I have said many times, I could die from this, but I am willing to take that chance so that people can get back to being productive and get this country rolling.
They spent $9 million dollars on a makeshift 1000 bed hospital in a convention center. It has seen 24 patients and now has 20. 4 have been discharged.
Another 250 bed convention center conversion at a cost of an estimated $3million dollars was scaled back from 1000 beds to 250, which is good, but more than likely will not see a patient.
cant make this stuff up. the fear and overreaction is insane.
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Oculus Spirit [79189]
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Hay, we need those 1000 beds
Apr 21, 2020, 10:49 AM
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gotta sell those fawsets.
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We get it man. You're scared to death
Apr 21, 2020, 10:50 AM
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of what will happen to your family if you are laid off.
The top fears of people is loss of job, loss of health, loss of life. I get it.
And I believe that's a lot of what's driving this is people who would rather see hundreds of thousands dead than for them to lose their job. Which is kind of understandable. EXTREMELY selfish, but that's the American way (also why Sweden's model won't work here. completely different culture).
But as a country, going back to normal right now is a terrible idea. We have seen the top of the curve flatten. Not the entire curve. It hasn't started going down yet overall.
This is why it's important to slowly open it back up.
I agree with Trump on this. Use the data to slowly and incrementally open up economies in states. No reason for SC to stay closed as long as NY will need to.
However we have to have ACCURATE AND READILY AVAILABLE DATA to make these decisions.
That's where I break from Trump. He's trying to play games with these tests. Stop. Flood the states with all of the tests they will ever need. Let them collect the data and use that data to make decisions.
Right now we are flying partially blind and trying to make life or death decisions that way.
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Re: We get it man. You're scared to death
Apr 21, 2020, 10:53 AM
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my job is fine. its all the people around me that are getting furloughed or even let go completely. I am not scared of that at all as we actually have been saving money for 11 years of marriage and both were prior to marriage.
Thank you for showing me the dots that I have seen 400x in the past 60 days. You really found some unique information.
Lets roll and get back.
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Re: We get it man. You're scared to death
Apr 21, 2020, 10:56 AM
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Thank you for showing me the dots that I have seen 400x in the past 60 days. You really found some unique information.
Lets roll and get back.
This is why you're the worse poster on this board.
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Re: We get it man. You're scared to death
Apr 21, 2020, 11:11 AM
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point to post ratio says hello
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What I've found from the "let's keep staying home" crowd
Apr 21, 2020, 11:26 AM
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is that most of them haven't been affected in the least. They are working comfortably from their living room, still collecting a pay check. Actually enjoying the "vacation" because let's be honest, it's not like anyone is working their ##### off from home.
Yet on the other hand, I see people losing their entire life savings from their restaurant or bar being closed. Or people that have been out of work for a month that still haven't gotten their UE check because the system is so overwhelmed. But those of us that are working from home and still collecting our paychecks seem just fine telling them "your situation sucks, but it's what is best for all of us"..
And I'm speaking as one of those lucky enough to be still collecting my normal pay check and working from home..
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They should have listened to Dave Ramsey
Apr 21, 2020, 11:30 AM
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and had 3-6 months of paychecks saved.
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That's great and all until the projects you have been
Apr 21, 2020, 11:42 AM
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working on for the past 6 months suddenly disappear and there's nothing in the pipeline because nobody knows when things will open back up.
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Facebookcoach, do you know how hard it will be to get
Apr 21, 2020, 11:09 AM
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ACCURATE AND READILY AVAILABLE DATA to make these decisions?
You work with kids, you should know how hard it is to get them all going in one direction. Now multiply that by 330M with a lot of adults, who will do whatever TF they want. Sprinkle in a bunch of illegals who will buck the system.
It won't happen until this is all over and we can make a case study out of it decades from now. Gotta use the info we're getting now and in the next couple of months (max) to make a decision.
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I don't think they actually believe hundreds of thousands
Apr 21, 2020, 11:16 AM
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will die, and I'm becoming more skeptical of that myself. I work for a small business, we went from rolling to being totally dead in the water. We've got some stuff trickling in still, but all projects we had lined up for this year have been put off until at least 2021.
Then you look around at all of the hospital staff having their hours reduced/ furloughed, and I just don't get the sense that this is being handled competently. I honestly don't mean this with any disrespect, but I don't think govt employees and people whose jobs haven't been impacted quite understand the sense of urgency many of us have right now. But you will when those local tax revenues dry up and it's your paycheck on the chopping block
I mean, what happens then? It's not being selfish, it's being realistic. We have to go back to work.
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Nurses being furloughed is not a sign of
Apr 21, 2020, 11:24 AM
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how well things are going for the virus.
ICU units are usually very small in comparison to other parts of the hospital. Makes no sense to move the nurses to the ICU wings. 300 additional nurses in that area isn't going to make things better.
The nurses who work the outpatient and other procedures are being laid off. They're not needed right now.
And you're right. Right now my paycheck is secure. This hasn't affected me. And I understand the need to reopen the economy. Which is why I am all for Trump's plan to incrementally reopen. But Tigermanac and other's idea of "#### it open it all up right now" is reckless and short sighted at best.
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It seems those furloughed nurses could be used to
Apr 21, 2020, 11:32 AM
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help take some of the strain off the others.
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I'm not sure if this is 100% correct,
Apr 21, 2020, 11:37 AM
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but it would seem that a lot of the nurses would have to be trained in ICU procedures and the equipment.
For example, my wife has done geriatrics for years, but if you throw her into an ICU with no training, she's probably not going to be as effective.
Once again, I don't know if that's true or not. I just know she freaks out when it comes to nursing kids because she's not use to it.
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Oh I imagine there is something to that.
Apr 21, 2020, 11:45 AM
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And also would likely cause more stress to try and train. But any managers out to be able to take a gander and see where folks could help. It also may be that only the big cities are really overrun. The news isn't likley to show what is going on in small places when NYC can so easily be sensationalized.
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Dood, all nurses are getting laid off except the covid units
Apr 21, 2020, 11:46 AM
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Census in the entire hospital is abysmal. No ones going to to the ER. And the Covid units aren't all that big and not expanding like a fire like everyone thinks. While it's spreading everywhere, most people that get it don't have to the hospital and I think people keep confusing the spread with over running our hospitals.
Most of America isn't NY or those other hotbed overcrowded places.
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Oculus Spirit [79427]
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Well when we're all sitting at home going broke hearing
Apr 21, 2020, 11:38 AM
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about your friends and family in healthcare who are also losing their jobs due to "not being needed", it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence that the ones running the show have any idea what they're doing. Especially when the icing on the cake is the people driving the decisions have guaranteed taxpayer funded paychecks coming in. For now anyway.
I know you understand the need, but you don't get it. Yet. But things stay closed down too much longer and we'll all feel the pain.
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All-In [46816]
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I agree, Trump is doing a terrible job.
Apr 21, 2020, 11:41 AM
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thank God for his team of doctor's that he actually listens to sometimes
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Oculus Spirit [79427]
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It's not just Trump, I think he probably understands the
Apr 21, 2020, 11:49 AM
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need to open up more than most of them. You can only listen to the doctors so much, it reminds me of my soils class in college. If it were up to the professor, there would be like 5 years of studies before you could so much as build a pond on your own property. But the real world doesn't work like that, and you've got to be careful to strike a balance.
At this point, it's too late to stay locked down. IMO, there should have been a total shutdown 5-6 weeks ago to try to control it, with a specific date in mind a few weeks down the road for reopening. None of these wishy washy half assed measures where people were still going out in droves. But it is what it is now, and I personally would prefer not to lose everything I have.
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CU Medallion [60034]
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Re: It's not just Trump, I think he probably understands the
Apr 21, 2020, 1:02 PM
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well, you have to lose everything so the bleeding hearts can feel better about the 2% that are dying. got to offset that pain and no one working or receiving paychecks is the trade off.
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All-In [34580]
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not going to happen...people going everywhere now***
Apr 21, 2020, 10:50 AM
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All-In [48078]
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Re: Hey nancies, how about this
Apr 21, 2020, 11:12 AM
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I am with you on that. F it.
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