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Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
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Last year it was fire BB and ML, now he is winning because he had time and he is coach of the year candidate. Sometimes time is needed and not just what we see on the W and L columns.
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Look for the guys talking about how down the ACC is this
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Jan 22, 2023, 4:33 PM
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year, apparently that's their pivot
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Don’t let facts get in the way of a good fan bashing.
Jan 22, 2023, 4:39 PM
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This team is fun to watch.
I expect a deep run in the Tournament.
Clemson Grrrrrrrrrit .
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So let help me understand …
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Jan 22, 2023, 4:40 PM
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You are looking for posts from the guys who posted over the past few years bc the team was doing poorly?
The team is doing great so who would complain?
Guys everyone simply wanted US to win more games.
Congratulations to CBB, the team, and especially to the new AD who allowed CBB to add better assistants/support staff, but also made his EXPECTATIONS clear!!!!
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Re: So let help me understand …
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Jan 22, 2023, 4:42 PM
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You are looking for posts from the guys who posted over the past few years bc the team was doing poorly?
The team is doing great so who would complain?
Guys everyone simply wanted US to win more games.
Congratulations to CBB, the team, and especially to the new AD who allowed CBB to add better assistants/support staff, but also made his EXPECTATIONS clear!!!!
The team has a winning record all but one of those years so for Clemson Basketball that is hardly a poor performance. Perhaps learn a little history ?
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Re: So let help me understand …
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"They didn't go under .500, so that's a successful season."
The lowest of expectations.
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Re: So let help me understand …
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"They didn't go under .500, so that's a successful season."
The lowest of expectations.
To believe a coach should magically perform better than a hundred years of history with no additional resources is delusional at best
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Re: So let help me understand …
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Jan 22, 2023, 6:19 PM
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Clueless, when you've coached, let me know. We'll talk.
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He hasn't done as well as many coaches before him, and history
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Jan 22, 2023, 7:39 PM
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doesn't impact a guys ability to coach, AT ALL.
Regardless if we make the tournament or not, this is an anomaly. Stop acting like Brad has finally figured out how to coach.
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100% this. He should have been fired years ago. All this does
Jan 22, 2023, 10:02 PM
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Is delay the inevitable, ala tommy bowden.
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Re: 100% this. He should have been fired years ago. All this does
Jan 22, 2023, 10:06 PM
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Brownell is the less successful basketball version of TB.
This year equates to the year we beat UT.
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We have the 5th most wins in the ACC since 2017.
Jan 23, 2023, 7:39 PM
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That’s really good, especially for Clemson.
Why can’t some of you recognize that? Instead, you act like we’ve been awful.
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Re: We have the 5th most wins in the ACC since 2017.
Jan 24, 2023, 6:04 PM
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When talent looses a game, I understand. When anything other than that, causes us a loss I do not accept that. Think about this . . huge difference.
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Re: So let help me understand …
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This sounds a lot like a coot being proud of their 7-6 record and giving their coach a raise. A lot like that.
I understand that the Brad cultists have hated to have to eat that #### sandwich all these years and are now gleefully taking their chance to gloat. It is what it is. But the season isn’t over yet. Plenty of time for Brad to pull a Brad. I hope he doesn’t, but wouldn’t be surprised, based upon the history you are so proud of.
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Bingo.
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Jan 22, 2023, 7:25 PM
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And don't mind that, yet another, Judge Keller scok. You should see these tmails he's sent me.. dude is NOT all there.
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Re: Bingo.
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Jan 23, 2023, 6:05 PM
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Share one.
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Re: So let help me understand …
Jan 22, 2023, 6:11 PM
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Know the records over that period, Sir.
Try to become a winner in life. Sheesh.
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All we need are your clemson mountaineers and Judge Keller handles,
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Jan 22, 2023, 7:30 PM
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and you'll have a "team".
Two top 40 finishes ever while making the 38th biggest salary in America. Can you at least try to debate the error in that equation?
Sybil.
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Re: So let help me understand …
Jan 22, 2023, 7:50 PM
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They were really great all those years in the acc tournament, and kept their playoff losses to a bare minimum. Why would anyone think the coach should be fired? Ha!
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Re: Look for the guys talking about how down the ACC is this
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Jan 22, 2023, 8:39 PM
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Facts don’t lie, people do.
The ACC is really underperforming. If you don’t think so, I would question your basketball knowledge.
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Re: Look for the guys talking about how down the ACC is this
Jan 24, 2023, 5:51 PM
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
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Jan 22, 2023, 4:36 PM
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At the same place you hung out while we had years of underperforming teams?
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
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Jan 22, 2023, 4:40 PM
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C’mon man, those twelve years were just giving Brad the time he needed.
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
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Jan 22, 2023, 5:18 PM
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Yeah, it took 12 years for his teams to gel.
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Being fans.
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Enjoying a surprisingly good season, and being cautiously optimistic.
What’s wrong with that?
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I am not, and nor have i been, a fire-the-coach guy
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Jan 22, 2023, 4:39 PM
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As a rule I don't call for the firing of a coach (except in the extraordinary case of off the field misbehavior kind of stuff).
However, lets not pretend that criticism toward Brownell is entirely unwarranted. He's been here quite a long time and we have not had extended and sustained success. Again, not calling for his head, and not saying he isn't a great coach (he certainly knows more about Basketball than I ever will), but as the head coach the lack of sustained success squarely falls at his feet.
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Re: I am not, and nor have i been, a fire-the-coach guy
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Jan 22, 2023, 5:29 PM
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I'm in the same camp. I'm not calling for his head, but if he were to be let go in favor of someone new, I probably wouldn't mourn the loss. There are a lot of positives in our program in CBB's tenure, but consistent top-level play and recruiting has not been among them. I think CBB is a good, maybe even better than many, coach, but he is not and probably never will be a great coach or recruiter. He seems to be a good leader as far as turning out good young men, but not necessarily with high-quality basketball. He has many any number of bone-headed moves on the court, and his on-the-floor lineups often make little sense. But again, I'm not mad that he has not been let go, because of the positive he certainly does bring.
If a few new assistants can bring enough oomph to put CU basketball in the top 4 or 5 team in the ACC in most years, I'd be happy to keep him and that staff.
Some people here (harumph JK harumph) say he's a great coach just needs time. Thirteen years is plenty of time. A great coach (whom I and most of us cannot stand!) went 17-13, 10-17, and 11-17 in his first 3 years, then went 24-10, 23-9, 37-3 in his next three years, won several NCAA tournaments, and basically won 30+ game more often than not. His worst full year was 18-13 and he still made the NCAA tournament.
CBB has never sniffed that air.
Nonetheless, I am enjoying this year.
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I haven’t said that more time for Brad would magically make us better.
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Jan 22, 2023, 7:11 PM
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What I’ve said is that more resources for Brad would make us better. That means more funding for the program for assistants and support staff, and continued facility upgrades. It also means better and more consistent fan support.
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And those excuses have been shot down
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time and time again.
You act like we've actually arrived after 13 years under this leadership.
Yet again, dozens and dozens of teams have done more with less. He has everything you mentioned, and good coaching doesn't rely on money
But hey, all you need to do is log in with your Clemson mountaineers scok, then that will be 4 usernames in one thread.
Something is not right with you.
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Re: I haven’t said that more time for Brad would magically make us better.
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What exactly, would we need to give Brad resource-wise, to make him and the basketball team produce better results on the court and on a consistent basis? I can't see that paying him more would produce any difference.
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[Raises hand] oh oh I know!
Jan 22, 2023, 7:44 PM
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A miniature golf course would help Brad's ability to coach, obviously.
I personally think he needs to put 6 players on the court more often. That would help us in the tournament, no doubt.
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
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Jan 22, 2023, 4:42 PM
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I'm gonna wait for this season to finish before I make my final judgment on what should happen with BB. It's been 13 years though, solid years should be expected after that long.
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The fire Brownell proud wanted him fire cause he wasn't...
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Jan 22, 2023, 4:43 PM
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winning for 12 years.
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Oh come on man!
Jan 22, 2023, 7:51 PM
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He has all those wins at Clemson!
Just don't look at all the losses and only two years with a top 40 finish, and it's all good. Who wouldn't give Brad the 38th biggest salary in America for that output??
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I’m here. Brownell should’ve been fired multiple times in the last 12 years.
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He has a very good team this year and they are playing exceptionally well. The only thing they’ve accomplished so far though is a couple of streaks that are records for this program. They still haven’t won anything and haven’t since Brad has been.
I expect the team will do reasonably well the rest of the season maybe play very well in the ACC tournament maybe with a couple of games in the NCAA tournament. But if all those things happened, that would still be the exception not the rule.
And then what happens next year and the year after that in the year after that. We’ve been down this road before. He gets the team that has the chemistry and the work ethic and down ACC and we do very well. He will get a contract extension and everyone will be happy. But can we be consistently decent? Can we be consistently good? That question so far after 12 years is a resounding no.
Having said that I’m a tiger fan and have been since I was a child and I graduated from there and I would love nothing more to be wrong and for this to be the beginning of Brownell winning a few championships of any sort. But I am cautiously best when it comes to him and what he has done for this program. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
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Re: I’m here. Brownell should’ve been fired multiple times in the last 12 years.
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Well said. 100%.
One good season every few years is not building a program. It is finding a good mix and chemistry of players.
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Re: I’m here. Brownell should’ve been fired multiple times in the last 12 years.
Jan 22, 2023, 9:11 PM
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,,or the old adage— one robin doth not make spring.
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
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I just can't imagine anybody like myself wanting Brownell replaced after 12 years as HC, and only two NCAA tourney appearances. I mean why would someone like myself want better for Clemson even though I was for Brownell 10 years into his failures as our Clemson HC. Just how many seasons has Brownell had like this 2022-2023 season in the past 12 years. If I'm not mistaking, this is his first in the past 12 years, so WHY would anyone want him fired!!! I think that it was bc it sounded like the best thing to do for Clemson, honestly....
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If VT had hit that last shot last night, you wouldn't
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have to ask that question.
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The fact that VT (1-7 ACC) was even in that position makes
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asking that question kind of silly. But the Brad cultists are a silly people.
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
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I was following you well until you said time is needed(12 years). Some of us don’t have 12 years left. Let me know how it goes?
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
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74 years plus 12 ? Now I am depressed.
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
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Jan 22, 2023, 6:17 PM
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The new narrative . . one good year erases all faults. Even though, year after year of faults doesn't do anything negative.
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
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I’m right here! FIRE BROWNELL!!!
He’s shown us all exactly what he is and what he can do. He’s done a good job this year and we have a good team. But it’s still time for him to go and for Neff to bring in some new blood.
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
Jan 22, 2023, 9:14 PM
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Agree.
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
Jan 23, 2023, 7:33 PM
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I would have fired him last year with the first round knock out in the ACC tournament. I don’t know who I’d have hired but I would bet money this teams record would be fairly similar with whom ever it was.
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JK SCOK ALERT***
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Re: JK SCOK ALERT***
Jan 23, 2023, 7:50 AM
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You sir seem to have an unhealthy fixation on scoks...
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I’m right here. I was part of the crowd
Jan 22, 2023, 5:16 PM
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I’ll admit that I was wrong about Brownell.
It has taken a long time, but he has put together a great team this year. They are fun to watch!
Could we have hired someone to get us here earlier? Maybe
Will he be able to sustain and build on this success? TBD
But for now I’m enjoying the run and happily eating my crow
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Re: I’m right here. I was part of the crowd
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How can you be wrong? If many, many poor years didn't make him a bad coach, why does one good year erase it all?
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Fair question - I believe people are capable of changing and getting better
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My biggest criticism was the way we always seemed to lose the close ones.
Honestly I think Brownell has coached this year like it was his last with nothing to do after “the letter”
I think the team has embraced that attitude and they seem to be playing fearless basketball.
Hope he can bottle it up and bring it year on year
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Re: Fair question - I believe people are capable of changing and getting better
Jan 22, 2023, 7:44 PM
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I agree.
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I’m in. On the fire Brown crowd
Jan 22, 2023, 5:32 PM
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Wait…. What?
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
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Jan 22, 2023, 6:06 PM
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How many socks do you have?
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
Jan 22, 2023, 6:07 PM
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I'm still down with OPP.
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
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Jan 22, 2023, 6:16 PM
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I coached for 11 years. By your standards, I never reached my potential. You are clueless. Speak about things you have experience with, otherwise wait ..
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
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Jan 22, 2023, 6:16 PM
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“Because he had time”. Seriously? What an asinine comment.
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Listen Lad, Brad is a cool dude, but
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Jan 22, 2023, 7:19 PM
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we're paying him the 38th biggest salary in America, and during his 12 year tenure we've finished in the top 40 TWICE.
Does that make sense to you? I like Brad.. he's a cool dude who's done everything right at Clemson.. except win enough.
Nobody dislikes Brad, the man. We just don't appreciate VASTLY overpaying him for the actual results.
We should absolutely make the tourney this year. This is the best roster he's had since he inherited Purnells guys. Thing is, this is the peak roster. If we don't make the tournament or If we're one and done in the tourney, the writing is on the wall. Time for change. Agreed?
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You're certifiable, Judge Keller.***
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Jan 22, 2023, 7:27 PM
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
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Jan 22, 2023, 8:30 PM
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12 plus years, 3 NCAA trips, how muchore time does he need
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
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Jan 22, 2023, 8:38 PM
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Team is playing well.
Brownells record after 12 years - speaks for itself. One positive season every few years is not what I would brag about.
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Dude, it’s simple…
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Jan 22, 2023, 8:50 PM
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…win games and people don’t complain.
I’m not sold on Brownlee, but he has definitely bought himself another season.
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Re: Dude, it’s simple…
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Jan 23, 2023, 6:06 PM
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Yes they are complaining. They want him fired now. They want this team to sink. Real Clemson fans.
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
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Jan 22, 2023, 9:03 PM
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I still want him gone. yes were better. League is down. Strength of schedule is only 72. Eight quad 4 games and only 6-2.
We will lose a lot of experience after this year. Probably back to the same.
I just think he can't get us to the next level and win on a constant basis. Its just time for a change after 13 years of mediocrity.
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I quit watching Tigers' hoops in Brad's 3rd or 4th season
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Jan 22, 2023, 9:12 PM
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based on style of play and performance in key games & close games. But I'm happy for team, players and fans that Tigers have a run going this season - hopefully it will last.
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
Jan 22, 2023, 10:03 PM
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Talk to me after the tournament.
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I'm not in the fire Brownell crowd. That is partly do to the
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Jan 23, 2023, 2:00 PM
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fact that I just don't enjoy basketball, except when it involves beating Puke or UNCheat. However, "takes time"?!?! You do know this is his thirteenth year? This year's freshmen were five years old when he started coaching here.
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
Jan 24, 2023, 9:07 AM
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It’s all about the tourney so you might want to wait on all the comments. If he loses in the first round, he probably needs to hit the road.
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Re: Where are all the fire Brownell crowd
Jan 24, 2023, 8:20 PM
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Honestly am excited about the team and like Brownell personality wise I know our history sucks in basketball and I will not cry if someone comes and swoops up Brownell. Maybe he can underachieve somewhere else and stay employed for 14 years. I love Clemson in all sports. I like winning. Sue me
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The elephant in the room
Jan 24, 2023, 8:33 PM
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What will we do when he gets a big time offer from another school after this season?
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Re: The elephant in the room
Jan 24, 2023, 8:35 PM
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Hopefully wish him well and tell him thanks for the memories and I will miss his lover Judge Keller on here
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