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Has there ever been a truly successful son of "great" coach?
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Has there ever been a truly successful son of "great" coach?


Dec 6, 2020, 12:47 PM

Obviously name recognition goes a long way when schools look at hiring a new coach. We fell for that and stuck with it for about a decade with Tommy Bowden. But has there ever been a son of a successful football coach that came close to the success of the father? It's a legitimate question. I can think of the following:

Derek Dooley (son of Vince Dooley)
Terry Bowden (son of Bobby Bowden)
Tommy Bowden (son of Bobby Bowden)
Mike Shula (son of Don Shula)
David Shula (son of Don Shula)
Skip Holtz (son of Lou Holtz)
Steve Spurrier, Jr. (son of Steve Spurrier)

There's also a list of "coaching dads" who couldn't win it all as head coaches but still won enough to be well remembered:

Wade Phillips (son of Bum Phillips)
Jim Mora, Jr. (son of Jim Mora, Sr.)
Kyle Shanahan (son of Mike Shanahan)
Brian Schottenheimer (son of Marty Schottenheimer)
Rex Ryan (son of Buddy Ryan)
Lane Kiffin (son of Monte Kiffin)
Mike Nolan (son of #### Nolan)

None of those sons won NFL / NCAA championships and most were fired in humiliation, generally after having their best years with players from the previous staff. Note that while Lane Kiffin might still be a hot name he still hasn't won anything as a head coach at a Power 5 school while he has been fired in disgrace from both the Raiders and, famously, on an airport runway by Southern Cal. Kyle Shanahan made a Super Bowl appearance (and lost) but has a losing record in every other year as a head coach. There's even a couple of guys on the above lists (Spurrier and Schottenheimer) who, despite their famous names, haven't risen higher than coordinators. Maybe I'm missing a father-son duo that both had championship success as head coaches but I doubt it.

This would seem to bode well for us since the Carolina football program is a shambles right now and history shows that hiring someone with a big name usually leads to big disappointment. I'm all for adding "Shane Beamer (son of Frank Beamer)" to the list of failures above after giving South Carolina their own Tommy Bowden decade of empty promises and dependably mediocre football.

Just my opinion,
-Moon

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Dec 6, 2020, 12:54 PM

Skip Holtz was successful at East Carolina. He should have stayed there but jumped at the dollars and failed. It will take Beamer 2-3 years to see a difference and I don't know how big a difference it would be.

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Dec 6, 2020, 12:57 PM

I'm talking success at a legitimate NFL or "Power 5 school". Tommy Bowden went undefeated at Tulane and we all know how that turned out once he got to a higher level of competition.

-Moon

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TB’s success was to thanks to RichRod.***


Dec 6, 2020, 1:43 PM



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Dec 6, 2020, 1:00 PM

WOW, you did your homework.
You pass Coaching Legacies 101 with an A+.
Now pick one to coach at Clemson should Dabo decide to go back into Real Estate sales.

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Dec 6, 2020, 1:05 PM

Veneables

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Dec 6, 2020, 1:11 PM

Never heard of him.

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Lane Kiffin is a heck of a coach


Dec 6, 2020, 1:48 PM

But he has sabotaged his own success being young and arrogant. Probably too much like his dad in that department. He seems to be maturing and changing. People will always hate him, but I can see him being very successful if he has cleaned up his act

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Dec 6, 2020, 2:49 PM

Throwing his clipboard randomly into the stands to celebrate a TD...Kiffin has a long way to go. It's all funny 'til somebody loses an eye.

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Dec 6, 2020, 4:35 PM

1. He didn’t throw it in the stands intentionally. He threw it up in the air. The wind took it into the stands and something like that can go a long ways but it’s not gonna have any force behind it.

2. It was not a clipboard. Clearly you didn’t see it you’re just repeating what people say. It was a laminated play sheet like Dabo Swinney and every other coach has. Nobody has used an actual clipboard in years!

I don’t care if you bash the guy. But if you’re going to bash someone get your facts straight because it makes you look dumb! It makes you look petty jealous and simple!


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Dec 6, 2020, 3:32 PM

Monarchies around the world have has the same problem for the last hundred thousand years or so.

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Dec 6, 2020, 4:40 PM

It’s like family fortunes. The patriarch of the family builds a successful business. An empire. Typically his kids grew up working hard and one or more of them takes over the company and often does even better or at worst maintains the business. It’s with the grandchildren where things start getting interesting. Some of them do well, but most of them grew up spoiled, but they still tend to do ok because they grew up around the business. But it’s those great grandchildren that never saw the hard times. They never saw where the family originally came from. All they have ever known is a lot of money and never worked a day in their life. it’s with that third generation when family dynasties start going downhill!


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Beamer will be the first


Dec 6, 2020, 4:49 PM

- Toad Ellis

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