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Some observations. Don't read if you are a thinned skinned
Nov 28, 2022, 10:51 AM
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critic.
Perspective: Some of you need some.
Criticism and personal attacks are entirely different. Learn the difference.
Entitlement. The most entitled generation in history is currently in our school system. Reading some of your comments makes it clear this is a learned behavior.
Now for my criticisms of our performance both from players and coaches on Saturday.
It is well documented that the back end of Carolina's defense is their weakness. We did not attack it consistently. Problem source: offensive coordinator
When the game was on the line our best playmaker got two touches: Problem source: offensive coordinator
Our special teams play, in particular our punt return team cost us too much yardage and put our offense in poor field position repeatedly. Problem source: special teams coach
Turnovers: Fifteen in five games is inexcusable. Problem source: offensive staff, players
There is clearly a difference between DJ in practice and DJ in games. Problem source: offensive coordinator, QB coach, QB
DJ had a horrible game. He was pulled in Syracuse game. Why not this game? Problem source: head coach, QB
Antonio Williams had a horrible game as punt returner. Catch the #### ball and minimize roll. One fumble. Problem source: special teams coach, head coach.
Carolina attacked line of scrimmage to stop run on first and second down. We ran into what the defense was selling out to take away. Problem source: offensive coordinator.
Brandon Streeter said it was not DJ's fault. I agree. offensive coordinator shows up more in this list than anyone. Large amount of blame goes to our offensive coordinator.
Special teams, mostly punt return team, cost us huge amount of yards and put offense in bad field position repeatedly. That is on Mike Reed and Dabo. Pull Antonio and put Shipley back to return punts.
Mostly this failure falls on coaching. Could players have played better? Yes, Andrew Makuba played a poor game. But overall, we were out schemed. They were creative in play calling. We were not. They made adjustments. We did not. They put the ball in the hands of their playmakers when the game was on the line. We did not.
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Hard to argue with the majority of that
Nov 28, 2022, 10:55 AM
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I guess the glaring take away there is, our staff, and ultimately Dabo, got utterly out coached by that straight doofus Beamer and that collection of clowns he has on staff, that all the gamecock fans were convinced would be fired at the end of the season. Just inexcusable. Completely and totally inexcusable.
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Re: Hard to argue with the majority of that
Nov 28, 2022, 10:57 AM
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I agree, completely.
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Re: Some observations. Don't read if you are a thinned skinned
Nov 28, 2022, 10:56 AM
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Great assessment on the offensive coordinator being a major problem. Poor assessment on special teams coach being a problem. Why do I think that way, well we don't have a special teams coach. Special teams was given to the secondaries coach. Why not combine two similar position coaches like tight ends and receivers or defensive ends and tackles and get a real special teams coach?
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A lot of what you blame on the offensive coordinator
Nov 28, 2022, 10:57 AM
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can be blamed on Dabo as well. Based on appearances, and what I've read various places, Dabo is heavily involved in the play calling. He isn't simply listening on his headset, he's looking at his laminated play sheet and talking into his mic before every play.
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Re: A lot of what you blame on the offensive coordinator
Nov 28, 2022, 11:02 AM
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Unfortunately JK, you’re probably right.
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Yes, I agree.
Nov 28, 2022, 11:06 AM
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My point is that it isn't as simple as Dabo hiring an OC who isn't calling good plays. It's much more significant than that, because Dabo himself is directly involved in the offense.
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While I don't disagree with your comment. I would
Nov 28, 2022, 11:39 AM
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respect it more if you weren't a defender of every move Brownell makes kid of fan. As I clearly stated in OP Dabo shares a great deal of responsibility.
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Re: While I don't disagree with your comment. I would
Nov 28, 2022, 12:19 PM
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Oh goody, another “reverend?” who judges others. Especially our coaching staff and JK.
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Not sure of your reason to slam "reverends"
Nov 28, 2022, 1:38 PM
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What I was commenting on was the content of the poster's documented consistency of slamming Dabo and supporting Brownell. That is what discussions boards do, discuss. Disagreement and pointing out flaws in an argument is hardly judging someone. Since I do not know JK at all it would be foolish of me to make any comment on his/her character. However, in this forum your posting history is open to critique. You need to learn the difference between critiquing and judging.
Critiquing: Your unwillingness to criticize the coaching of one coach while consistently criticizing another is inconsistent.
Judging: You are a bad person.
I did not judge.
As for reverends. We are all sinners in need of the continual application of the grace of God through the work of Jesus Christ, me at the top of that list.
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Unfortunately, my criticisms of Dabo over the last few years
Nov 28, 2022, 1:54 PM
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are becoming more and more valid. We are seeing things play out right before our eyes.
Hiring inexperienced position coaches, promoting unqualified coaches to coordinator positions, not offering enough scholarships to high school recruits, not using the transfer portal, and being stubborn are all issues we are currently dealing with.
Things will continue to get worse if these issues aren't addressed.
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I didn't accuse you of failing to hold Dabo responsible.
Nov 28, 2022, 1:51 PM
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I do believe he's more involved in the offense than you seem to be giving him credit for though.
We can all agree that Dabo is ultimately responsible because he's the head coach, he hired the assistant coaches, and he signed the players.
As for basketball, I don't defend every move Brownell makes. He isn't perfect. He needs to recruit better, for one. But at least he's forthright and doesn't lie or mislead people about his team. And you better believe he gets a lot out of the talent he has, as opposed to our football coaches the last couple of years who seem to squander it.
Carry on.
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Re: A lot of what you blame on the offensive coordinator
Nov 28, 2022, 1:51 PM
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for once JK is right! Dabo does not want to expose DJU anymore. NIL is to blame for this. DJU does not get paid if he does not start!
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Re: Some observations. Don't read if you are a thinned skinned
Nov 28, 2022, 11:05 AM
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Right, but doesn't this get to the heart of the matter? WHO hired the offensive coordinator? WHO decided Reed should be special teams coordinator? WHO hired Grisham? WHO promoted Goodwin? WHO decided to stick with a QB who is struggling to throw a forward pass greater than 8 yards?
If you look at it from this perspective some of the criticism towards Dabo is warranted.
So while I agree with what you're saying, the old expression "the buck stops here" is truer than ever.
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Re: Some observations. Don't read if you are a thinned skinned
Nov 28, 2022, 11:05 AM
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Good analysis. I really hope Dabo will address these issues that seem so obvious. The DJU thing just blows my mind. Name another team that has stuck with a QB1 that played so poorly. ???
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Re: Some observations. Don't read if you are a thinned skinned
Nov 28, 2022, 11:10 AM
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I’m glad I just watch the games.
Oh to be a coach like you!
When do you get inducted to the Hall of Fame?
Oh you’re already there….
I guess it’s alright to criticize, maybe.
But don’t you think that if you noticed all of this that the coaches did too.
And maybe just maybe there are somethings that you don’t know or understand?
Now don’t be thin skinned
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Not thin skinned at all.
Nov 28, 2022, 11:26 AM
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If you are a fan that "just watches the game" and doesn't get frustrated by what you see happening with this team then you are a rare breed of fan indeed.
As for Dabo, I respect him more than you know. My comments about perspective and criticism were aimed at those so called fans making rude or even hateful comments about Dabo. However, as a head football coach, criticism from fans is part of the deal. If you don't want that, find another line of work. Dabo is a big boy and can take it.
Has he built a model, championship program? Yes. Does he deserve respect and the chance to improve his program? Yes. Do two national championships mean no decision he makes should ever be questioned? Resoundingly, no!
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Re: Some observations. Don't read if you are a thinned skinned
Nov 28, 2022, 11:10 AM
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I’m glad I just watch the games.
Oh to be a coach like you!
When do you get inducted to the Hall of Fame?
Oh you’re already there….
I guess it’s alright to criticize, maybe.
But don’t you think that if you noticed all of this that the coaches did too.
And maybe just maybe there are somethings that you don’t know or understand?
Now don’t be thin skinned
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Re: Some observations. Don't read if you are a thinned skinned
Nov 28, 2022, 11:10 AM
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i agree with a lot of the points made for sure . in his defense Williams was trying to make a play would a fair catch been the best thing for sure but with the offensive performance five yards could have been the difference in a makable field goal
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Re: Some observations. Don't read if you are a thinned skinned
Nov 28, 2022, 11:10 AM
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Overall, fair assessment. Dabo is the ceo and I really wish some of our in house reporters would challenge Streeter and Dabo on what percentage of play calling is.
I must correct one statement you made. Its just the opposite. Carolina trusts their backend to play man. They've been pretty darn good over the year. Probably have one or two go pro.
Pass defense - 28th
Run defense - 113th
GA tech - 108th run
Syracuse - 64th run
Both tried to stack unsuccessfully
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Re: Some observations. Don't read if you are a thinned skinned
Nov 28, 2022, 11:21 AM
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Good assessment overall in my view.
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offensive scheme
Nov 28, 2022, 11:26 AM
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our offensive scheme has been horrible for a while now - goes back to when TL was still here. I always was impressed watching how Bama schemed their WRs open (even though they could win on their own) while we always relied on down field 50/50 balls.
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Re: Some observations. Don't read if you are a thinned skinned
Nov 28, 2022, 11:46 AM
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Their punter,not our punt return team, was the difference in that part of special teams play. He was an excellent punter. AS for our punter.....well, I'll leave it at that.
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Re: Some observations. Don't read if you are a thinned skinned
Nov 28, 2022, 12:30 PM
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Poor QB execution and poor offensive coaching are pretty hard to isolate from one another. It is completely possible that the system will work fine with any other QB, but it is inexcusable that they refuse to try that.
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Re: Some observations. Don't read if you are a thinned skinned
Nov 28, 2022, 12:35 PM
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I agree with all of this
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Re: Some observations. Don't read if you are a thinned skinned
Nov 28, 2022, 12:55 PM
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Perspective, here is some reality:
Special teams play:
So their punter (as does every other punter that comes to death valley for some reason) did not punt out of his mind?
SCar was (and I'm sure still is after Saturday) the number one special teams in the NCAA.
7 punts with an average of 53.7 yards per punt, longest of 63 yards. 5 of the 7 inside the 20. Two inside the 5.
Antonio Williams is the only guy who can determine if he can make the catch, not you, not me, not Dabo... he tries to make a catch and fumbles and your right back here screaming about special teams. IMHO having been a punt return guy in high school if you cannot make the catch let it go, don't try and be a hero.
Give credit where credit is due, Carolinas punter was very, very good Saturday.
Which of these is on Williams?
(13:28 - 1st) Kai Kroeger punt for 59 yds, Antonio Williams returns for 5 yds to the Clem 13 CLEMSON Penalty, Illegal Block (Tyler Davis blindside block, it was a borderline call "initated from outside the opponent's field of vision" probably a good call) half the distance to the Clem 7.
(10:00 - 1st) Kai Kroeger punt for 45 yds, fair catch by Antonio Williams at the Clem 10
(4:30 - 1st) Kai Kroeger punt for 42 yds, downed at the Clem 3 (coffin corner kick and a really good play by #28 to keep it out of the end zone)
7:10 - 3rd) Kai Kroeger punt for 61 yds , Antonio Williams returns for 23 yds to the SCar 47
(7:06 - 4th) Kai Kroeger punt for 61 yds, downed at the Clem 2. That punt landed on the 5 after traveling 70 yards in the air and died on the 2. That was just a great punt. If he fair catches it its on the 5, then you would be complaining he should have let it go for the touchback...
(4:19 - 4th) Kai Kroeger punt for 63 yds, downed at the Clem 3. as I said Death Valley is the place for opposing punters to come and play career games... he kicked it to the corner, Williams was on the 15 and backed up after the punt ball landed 5-10 yards in front of him, he went up and looked for a good bounce to make the play but backed off (the right play IMO as SCar players were right there) and then instead of dying in 2 yards it rolled for 12... with SCar players all around it... what exactly did you think he should do? What was he told to do?
(2:05 - 4th) Kai Kroeger punt for 45 yds , Antonio Williams returns for 8 yds to the Clem 44 Antonio Williams fumbled, recovered by SCar Nick Emmanwori. SCar player both tackled Willimas and punched the ball out with his other hand, really good play.
Give Kroeger credit...
What exactly should the special teams coach have coached that would change this?
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Maybe we should have considered pressuring the punter…..
Nov 28, 2022, 2:16 PM
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It looks like we only go for the ‘return setup’….
And then we give the guy about 3 days to think about where he wants to place the ball and act surprised at the amazing punts that come as a result.
So, that’s one thing that could have been attempted by coaches. Rather than trying to set up a return every single time…maybe pressure the guy so maybe the 60 yarder turns into a 40ish yarder…or maybe even a block.
By all means, give their punter credit. He was great. But we literally did not send anyone near him to make him even think about pressure, from what I could see.
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Re: Maybe we should have considered pressuring the punter…..
Nov 28, 2022, 11:13 PM
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and you would be correct...
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Re: Some observations. Don't read if you are a thinned skinned
Nov 28, 2022, 1:07 PM
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Well said.
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Re: Some observations. Don't read if you are a thinned skinned
Nov 28, 2022, 1:12 PM
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Great summary, but ultimately, this all falls on the big dog, Dabo.
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Re: Some observations. Don't read if you are a thinned skinned
Nov 28, 2022, 1:43 PM
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“Entitlement. The most entitled generation in history is currently in our school system. Reading some of your comments makes it clear this is a learned behavior. “
To be fair, TigerNet in general skews towards “old fart” age. I think the bulk of posts are Gex X and older with a smattering of millennial.
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Re: Some observations. Don't read if you are a thinned skinned
Nov 28, 2022, 2:21 PM
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I agree with you totally. But you can make it even easier than that. The team with the better QB won. The 2021-2022 Clemson teams have played offense with one hand tied behind their back. A decent QB, not even above average, and the last 2 seasons are different. Yes, it’s mostly DJs fault . Sorry if that’s against the narrative.
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