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It makes sense, but scheduling would need to be changed
Mar 21, 2014, 10:02 PM
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Divisions wouldn't mean as much if you just picked the best two, but then you would have more freedom in scheduling, I would imagine
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Orange Blooded [3257]
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Downside is it may have cost one of us a BCS bowl invite.***
Mar 21, 2014, 10:05 PM
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Re: Great Move for Us..........
Mar 21, 2014, 10:12 PM
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It would mean the coots never would get an invite to anything. They easily have been the 3rd to 5th best team in heir conference, even when they did okay in the sec least.
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CU Guru [1047]
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meh
Mar 22, 2014, 12:54 AM
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I'm ok with the deregulation but only for one scenario. I would be in favor of Notre Dame joining as full member, adding one more team and realign the divisions to have the old ACC(including Fla St) in one and all the newer members in the other. Still have the winners of each division play each other for title UNLESS you have a situation like in 2012 where teams were ineligible to play for the title. In that case you pick the second best team in the conference regardless of division to play for title.
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Athletic Dir [890]
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How does this help conference?
Mar 22, 2014, 1:04 AM
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Say this year we played FSU again. We win no ACC team in BCS NC game. We lose only 1 team goes to BCS.
SEC AUB and Bama play again. Bama loses again could cost them BCS game. AUB loses could cost the SEC a team in BCS NC game if two other undefeated teams.
It makes no sense.
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Orange Blooded [3974]
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That's a good point, but BCS is gone now.
Mar 22, 2014, 9:44 AM
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I guess there will still be higher and lower tier bowls (outside of the 4 team playoff) but with just 4 spots in the playoffs its not gonna be the same next year as the senario that you pointed to.
I guess you could argue it makes it likely for a split...one of us winning in the regular season and the other winning the ACC, effectively knocking both out of the potential playoff.
Once it goes to 8 teams (maybe), I think your argument stands again with the potential for both to be in (one as champ and one as 1 loss "at large").
I've seen the argument "why should there be the chance at a rematch if one of the teams already won in regular season?" That hasn't and wont hold water, because that possibility is already there with the cross divisional games...IE CU v. VT a few years ago.
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CU Guru [1051]
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So.....
Mar 22, 2014, 8:03 AM
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I think you are thinking too much in the past. Remember, next year there is a 4 team playoff with those games being the "BCS" bowls. To get into those games, you will have to 100% win your conference. This new conference would allow us to lose one conference game and come back in the conference championship game to jump whoever was higher ranked.
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Re: So.....
Mar 22, 2014, 10:14 AM
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> I think you are thinking too much in the past.
> Remember, next year there is a 4 team playoff with
> those games being the "BCS" bowls. To get into those
> games, you will have to 100% win your conference.
> This new conference would allow us to lose one
> conference game and come back in the conference
> championship game to jump whoever was higher ranked.
I don't think you'll have to "100% win your conference". There are no rules out from the selection committee and we don't know what their requirements will be. I do think the committee will have a very "liberal bias" and conference champions will be given preference, similar to BCS making sure the mid-major conferences got chances at BCS bowls.
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I dont like it***
Mar 22, 2014, 8:20 AM
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I hope it passes.
Mar 22, 2014, 9:06 AM
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It will allow much better conference scheduling.
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Re: Great Move for Us..........
Mar 22, 2014, 10:08 AM
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Why is it the ACC seems to be the only conference pushing for this, with the Big 12 who doesn't even have a championship game also being interested?
I can't see how making FSU play the Tigers again would have been fair to FSU last year, nor would it have been fair for Auburn to have had to play Alabama again in an SECCG after just beating them.
I'm not even sure I understand why the ACC would be in favor of this. Why would any of the schools in the other division be in favor of having no shot at the ACCCG given the likelihood of FSU and Clemson being the best teams? Is Swoffie out campaigning for this on his own with no support from the conference members?
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At the bottom of it all, everything is driven by $$$
Mar 22, 2014, 12:18 PM
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The thinking is many more people would tune in to watch an FSU/Clemson game rather than a Duke/FSU. If there is money to be made by the governing bodies, then I doubt they really care about each individual school's interest, just the profit that could be made as a whole.
Maybe this is a means of trying to offset how much the SEC makes as a conference. Fewer people may tune in to watch an AU/BAMA rematch a week later...but I viewing may have increased for a Clemson/FSU match instead of watching Duke. That's just a guess...there's no way of ever knowing that'd be the case...
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Not a good move for the conference
Mar 22, 2014, 11:00 AM
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It might sound good being a Clemson fan since it would have put us in the championship game, but it's really a horrible move. If the ACC were not so weak and didn't have a pansy football fan base this would not be an issue. The ACC can't sell tickets when Virginia Tech is down, and Duke slips up and wins the division and ends up in the championship game. The ACC knows there are only two or three real football schools in the conference, so they are desperate to get them to match up with each other.
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I like it. SOS will be huge. Will give us another top team to knock out and
Mar 22, 2014, 11:52 AM
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add to the resume prior to selection time. If the reg season schedule isn't as strong, we'll quit the naysayers in the last week of college football leading up to selection time.
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quite***
Mar 22, 2014, 11:52 AM
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quiet. covering all my bases***
Mar 22, 2014, 11:53 AM
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Re: Great Move for Us..........
Mar 22, 2014, 12:04 PM
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I think most people are only thinking about this in a scenario like 2013, where we lost to FSU but could've gotten another shot at them. But what if the shoe were on the other foot and we'd already defeated FSU (or whoever else, just using them as the most likely example).
Just think of how it would feel if we beat FSU in the regular season, are 12-0 going into the ACCCG, ranked in the top 2, and we have to play FSU again and lose, which knocks us out of the playoff.
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CU Guru [1095]
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clemson alum... unlikely scenario but if it happens
Mar 22, 2014, 12:10 PM
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that's life. A more realistic scenario is us not being undefeated, but but sitting there around 5-10 knocking on the door of a top 4 finish in need of another big win to get us there come season's end.
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If we're living in the now, then their isn't much of a
Mar 22, 2014, 12:13 PM
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reason not to support this. Clemson would have had the opportunity for a rematch against FSU and potentially could have won.
Problem is, what if several years down the road, our team is a 7-5/8-4 team that is rebuilding (maybe after a Morris or a Venables leaves) and say we beat the next best team in our division like a FSU and somehow win our division. However, two teams from the coastal are taken b/c were are perceived as stronger in our conference as a whole. See, this all sounds well and good in the now but I'd be pissed and felt like we were robbed of the opportunity for a shot at the ACC championship if these rules were set in motion.
I also agree with one of the comments in the article that this would water down our regular season schedule. Facing an FSU in the regular season wouldn't quite mean as much if we'll simply face them again in post season...
I'm not sure where to stand on this...
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If we're 7-5 we won't deserve to hang up a championship banner***
Mar 22, 2014, 12:18 PM
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I doubt many would care about 'deserving' if the
Mar 22, 2014, 12:20 PM
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opportunity ever presented itself. I HIGHLY doubt we'd voluntarily sit out of a championship b/c we didn't feel like we deserved it. If you're a Clemson fan, you want what's best for Clemson, period.
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