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The players that may attend Lutheran, Methodist, Catholic...
Sep 5, 2012, 1:23 PM
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...and Presbyterian churches that were baptized as infants and still are very much firm and committed to the Christian faith, are they shunned because they do not toe the Newspring line? Just curious. I know many mainline pastors in the Oconee/Pickens area and I wonder if these kids would be allowed to seek them out or is it Perry Noble only?
Then again, Noble probably tells them they aren't Christians to begin with. Sad.
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Re: The players that may attend Lutheran, Methodist, Catholic...
Sep 5, 2012, 1:24 PM
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Opiate of the masses.
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Players today, Fans tomorrow. They need to build a bigger
Sep 5, 2012, 2:42 PM
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church. Go Tigers!
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Re: The players that may attend Lutheran, Methodist, Catholic...
Sep 5, 2012, 1:24 PM
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Because it's a violation of Freedom of Religion...
Sep 5, 2012, 1:26 PM
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...and that is why I am asking. GO TIGERS!
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huh? you are insane.***
Sep 5, 2012, 1:32 PM
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Re: Because it's a violation of Freedom of Religion...
Sep 5, 2012, 1:49 PM
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lol how is it a violation of freedom of religion.
I am far from a fan of Newspring or Religion in general but calling it a Violation of freedoms is laughable at best.
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Lutheran here.... NO
Sep 5, 2012, 1:28 PM
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As a matter of fact, my wife nearly joined Newspring while she went to Clemson but they told her she had to get rebaptized first becuase her Lutheran baptism "didn't count."
But still not offended by what has transpired in the slightest.
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with you, people trying to make it out of nothing
Sep 5, 2012, 1:30 PM
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ok so they have this requirement, great, nobody is forced to do it. Every player can do whatever they want or nothing at all.
People really need to let this go.
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Re: Lutheran here.... NO
Sep 5, 2012, 1:30 PM
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Does this not sound cultish?
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it's the same in any church that doesn't do infant baptism***
Sep 5, 2012, 2:03 PM
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Re: Lutheran here.... NO
Sep 5, 2012, 2:43 PM
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no it does not sound cultish. It sounds Southern Baptist!
Also that is a requirment to be a member of new spring church not the Clemson Tiger football team. You probably are not a moron so do not make your self look like one with such stupid comments.
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Re: Lutheran here.... NO
Sep 5, 2012, 1:33 PM
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There is nothing in the BIBLE that condemns infant baptism nor endorses it either. Just says to baptize. I don't get the whole argument. Again, the whole "my god is better than your god". I'm sorry your wife had to go through that.
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Yeah, it was traumatic to get all wet and have to...
Sep 5, 2012, 1:37 PM
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change clothes twice.
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Re: Yeah, it was traumatic to get all wet and have to...
Sep 5, 2012, 1:55 PM
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lol point
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Re: Lutheran here.... NO
Sep 5, 2012, 1:51 PM
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Its actually a very compelling and important discussion. There are good arguments both ways but to say its no big deal is way off base. A sacrament instituted by the Lord himself is very important.
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Re: Lutheran here.... NO
Sep 5, 2012, 1:52 PM
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Sacrament? EXACTLY. Not just a symbol. Good call!
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Re: Lutheran here.... NO
Sep 5, 2012, 1:58 PM
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I'm a Baptist and I think its more than a symbol but I don't think it has any effectual power either. Also, don't think the method matters as far as it having to be immersion. My holdup is on the believers vs infant baptism. Is it just a public symbol of confession for the believer or is it, like circumcision on the OT, the sign of the covenant and passed from parents to children? I do not believe the Catholic view on it. Not sure on Lutheran because i am unclear as to how they view it. The Presbyterians though make some awesome arguments for their view of Baptism. Plus, their doctrine is usually the best anyways so I am inclined to respect their views on baptism.
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Re: Lutheran here.... NO
Sep 5, 2012, 2:02 PM
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Catholic & Lutherans both accept the Sacramental sacredness because in scripture, it is the way the world is brought back to God. John baptised for..."the remission of sins". Christ was baptised to give the example to the world. The Holy Spirit came upon Jesus as he came out of the water and the Holy Sprit descents upon every believer at that moment in their life to give them the graces to lead the life. No different with infants, as their parents are then intrusted to lead by example. Infant baptism is very powerful and blessed. Peace.
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Re: Lutheran here.... NO
Sep 5, 2012, 2:03 PM
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Yeah, won't duke it out here but I can't agree with most of that. Reformed Calvinist here so...
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the only things that Christians confuse as 'baptism'
Sep 5, 2012, 1:34 PM
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are the christening of babies and the sprinkling of people.... the first bc parents can't choose Jesus for their babies. It's a choice that all Christians have to make for themselves.The second b/c it doesn't show the picture of the burial and resurrection. If neither of these things aren't your wife's story, I don't think any church should say that she hadn't been physically baptized.
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early church fathers would vehemently disagree with you
Sep 5, 2012, 1:38 PM
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"Baptize first the children, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them" (The Apostolic Tradition 21:16 [A.D. 215]). - Hyppolytus
"Every soul that is born into flesh is soiled by the filth of wickedness and sin. . . . In the Church, baptism is given for the remission of sins, and, according to the usage of the Church, baptism is given even to infants. If there were nothing in infants which required the remission of sins and nothing in them pertinent to forgiveness, the grace of baptism would seem superfluous" (Homilies on Leviticus 8:3 [A.D. 248]). - Origen
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Re: early church fathers would vehemently disagree with you
Sep 5, 2012, 1:39 PM
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A.D.215 & A.D.348, long before the Reformation I might add. GO TIGERS!
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it seems significant that that's not part of scripture
Sep 5, 2012, 2:02 PM
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and without getting into the whole sola scriptura vs. tradition debate, I think you need to ask yourself whether it makes sense to say that an infant has made any kind of commitment with their baptism. If they are baptized, then they are being consecrated to the church and their parents are committing to raise them in the church. But their baptism doesn't mean anything about the way they will live their lives.
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Re: it seems significant that that's not part of scripture
Sep 5, 2012, 2:10 PM
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SCRIPTURE never condemns it either. Gotta run though and get back to work. I will check back in later.
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as well it shouldn't...
Sep 5, 2012, 2:18 PM
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because the ordinance means different things according to who does it. That's why, for someone whose infant baptism signifies their belonging to a church (whose rules for membership are unique) and not the public renunciation of their old life, they need to be baptized again as an adult if they want to join a different church.
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Re: early church fathers would vehemently disagree with you
Sep 5, 2012, 1:56 PM
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Yes and if it weren't for a praying relative and God's grace, I would've never converted and still been doing only God knows what in my life. Thank God for a devout Catholic sister who prayed. Again, I only hope people will realize what I meant with my original post. No harm, but concerned.
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Re: early church fathers would vehemently disagree with you
Sep 5, 2012, 1:59 PM
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Got no beef with the Catholics, really, but disagree with alot of their theology. Your post didn't offend me at all. I feel the same way. I am actually studying the sacraments right now so this thread just captured my attention.
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Why is that a big deal
Sep 5, 2012, 1:57 PM
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Newspring set up their membership rules to require post believer baptism by immersion. She can either do it or not be a member. Doesn't mean she can't go to the church and if she has a real problem then just go to a different church.
Just because different churches have different membership requirements doesn't make them more or less correct just different.
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it only doesn't count in the sense that she isn't a member
Sep 5, 2012, 1:59 PM
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Evangelical protestants, like those in the SBC, don't believe that baptism makes you a Christian. Only Christ and your faith in Him can do that. Baptism is the symbol of leaving behind the old life and starting a new one, and is the rite of entrace into the church.
So it isn't that Lutheran infant baptisms "don't count," they just count for something different.
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Financial records
Sep 5, 2012, 1:30 PM
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Is this the church that will not release their financial records to the public?????
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No that's Romney
Sep 5, 2012, 1:37 PM
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Try to find a cross....
Sep 5, 2012, 1:55 PM
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the symbol of the Christian faith in or on a Mormon church. I dare you.
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Re: The players that may attend Lutheran, Methodist, Catholic...
Sep 5, 2012, 1:33 PM
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Catholics aren't christians and we worship the statue of Mary. That's what I was told as a catholic youth in SC growing up. Can you belive that!
I heard Noble doesn't let Dabo's kids go to watch practice.
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Re: The players that may attend Lutheran, Methodist, Catholic...
Sep 5, 2012, 1:36 PM
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Oh yes, I've heard it all as well. Heck, even the earliest reformers would be "pagan" to the Perry Nobles of the world. I am happy for Nuk 1000%%%%!!! Still to a lot of the country, this gives the appearance of coaches playing religious favorites on the team and that's sad.
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Re: The players that may attend Lutheran, Methodist, Catholic...
Sep 5, 2012, 1:47 PM
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or using religoin as a recruiting tool at a state funded university. IF Clemson was a private univ. it wouldn't be an issue.
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Re: The players that may attend Lutheran, Methodist, Catholic...
Sep 5, 2012, 1:51 PM
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You do realize most schools have chaplains on staff right?
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Re: The players that may attend Lutheran, Methodist, Catholic...
Sep 5, 2012, 1:51 PM
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EXACTLY! North Greenville can talk junk all day about their non-Baptist employees, students, etc and they'd be able to do so because they are private.
Again, happy Nuk has given his life to the Lord but just don't want to see this become a "you'll go to our church or else..." type of deal.
Did Danny Ford even go to church when he was winning the ACC?
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Bowden took everybody to FBC Easley
Sep 5, 2012, 2:37 PM
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It's just something these coaches do, and since it's the south, most of them happen to be SBCers or some kind of evangelical. I don't think you need to worry about them playing favorites just because a few of them go to a particular church.
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LOL, yes I can't tell you how many fantastic discussions
Sep 5, 2012, 1:37 PM
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I had with people who would ask "are you catholic or christian" and the question itself didn't make any sense. I would always reply "you mean am I catholic or protestant?".........conversation would follow........
Amazing.
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Re: LOL, yes I can't tell you how many fantastic discussions
Sep 5, 2012, 1:52 PM
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I'm a 60 yr old Southern Baptist. I didn't choose to be SB, God chose it for me. I've never been moved by His Spirit to join, work and fellowship with a group of believers that were not SB.
I've served as a Sunday School teacher for adult classes with men twice my age. I've served as Director of Discipleship Training at a Church that spent 1 mil on their Auditorium. I've read and studied the Bible continuously for 40+ years and were I to select a church to 'join,' that wasn't SB The Catholic Church would suit me just fine. Every other protestant church would come in far after that.
Don't even ask me why in public somebody would get their feeling hurt.
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My wife says I'm insane
Sep 5, 2012, 1:48 PM
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This is what a friend told me.. that's all I'm just asking. I don't care either way but if this is true that's sketchy
"They started releasing vague financials. But very general. No salaries expenses are released. Basically for ex. They took in 23 mil last year church wide. Then they say x amt. goes to ministry bldg etc"
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Re: My wife says I'm insane
Sep 5, 2012, 1:49 PM
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23 million!!! Heck, I'm gonna go start a church! LOL!
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L. Ron Hubbard says hello
Sep 5, 2012, 1:53 PM
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He wrote all about it.
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you'll keep very little of it
Sep 5, 2012, 2:25 PM
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Of course, for some critically minded individuals, the large amount of money the Catholic Church brings in is problematic. The thing is that the money is being used to continue the ministry, which is why there are so many Catholic churches and why the Catholic Church is able to be so communaly active. Why wouldn't you expect to see the same thing with a church like Newspring? There's nothing weird about it all, to me.
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its sketchy that a very large church with multiple campuses
Sep 5, 2012, 2:00 PM
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brought in 23 million dollars?
I don't like Perry Noble but that's a lot of money that is going to be used for God's work.
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Newspring is affiliated with the SBC...
Sep 5, 2012, 1:57 PM
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baptizing people as adults isn't exactly breaking new ground, but it's pretty much the case in every denomination that to join the church you need to be baptized. My guess is they accept all adult baptisms, and they accept infant baptisms as membership in other churches. But if someone is a Christian and was baptized in another tradition as an infant, they need to be baptized again as an adult to join the church.
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Re: Newspring is affiliated with the SBC...
Sep 5, 2012, 1:59 PM
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Bible says ONE faith, ONE Lord, ONE baptism. No need to do it again.
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Re: Newspring is affiliated with the SBC...
Sep 5, 2012, 2:02 PM
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Yes, but to most Baptists you have to be immersed or you never did it.
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Re: Newspring is affiliated with the SBC...
Sep 5, 2012, 2:03 PM
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its not Jesus's fault your Baptism wasnt done properly.
Waiting on your reason above for Freedom of Religion being violated.
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infant baptism is something different from adult baptism
Sep 5, 2012, 2:06 PM
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I have no idea how it's supposed to mean something to an infant who has no idea what's going on. Yes, they can later be confirmed, but wouldn't it make much more sense to baptize them then, after they've been confirmed?
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Re: Please explain how a baby can be accept Christ
Sep 5, 2012, 2:12 PM
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Not all denominations believe baptism all about accepting Christ. The Presbyterians believe its a replacement for circumcision as a sign of the covenant. The Israelites circumcisd every child but not all were part of the elect within Israel. A Presbyterian sees that and says we should baptize them all because we do not know which ones are covenental children. Then if the child later accepts Christ their baptism was valid. If not, they just got wet. There are some other reasons the Presbyterians give but thats the main thought as to why they baptize infants.
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My wife grew up Ctaholic...was sprinkled and confirmed...
Sep 5, 2012, 2:15 PM
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I grew up Baptist. I have no doubt she was signed sealed and delivered, but it was her choice to be dunked too. She's twice the person I am so maybe I should've been sprinkled too! Was Jesus sprinkled as a child? I know he wanted John to dunk him...so Nuke must not be too far off!
You guys are making much to do about nothing here. Protestants and Catholics alike serve the same Lord and Savior, have the same holy bible, but merely have different ceremonies and traditions for worship. If you think our Lord is going to cull based on denomination I would submit that you really have little faith in Him?
Try a little tolerance and open-mindedness... please folks!
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it isn't tolerance so much as lack of knowledge
Sep 5, 2012, 2:20 PM
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someone in here yesterday was saying they had never heard of tithing, and thought it was cultish that Newspring had emphasized that at some point. That person supposedly grew up Methodist, so I don't know how they never heard about tithing. The same thing is going on here: the issue isn't exclusion, it's the meaning of baptism.
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shunned by who?
Sep 5, 2012, 1:58 PM
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what are you talking about?
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Perry sounds like the new Bakker
Sep 5, 2012, 2:06 PM
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Does perry make his tax statement public? Sounds like the old bakkers. Remember them
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Baptisim has nothing to do with our
Sep 5, 2012, 2:24 PM
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Salvation. If the believe Jesus is the Lord and died for our sins and he rose again 3 days later and by faith in Jesus Christ, then they're saved. Baptism is just a public declaration that you have received Christ as your Savior and he is now Lord in your life. If you look at every instance baptism comes after you're saved. Jesus said REPENT and believe the gospel
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I have been to this church
Sep 5, 2012, 2:26 PM
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and I did get the feeling it was a bit cultish.
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Orange Blooded [2961]
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Re: The players that may attend Lutheran, Methodist, Catholic...
Sep 5, 2012, 2:39 PM
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you are an idiot! Go back under the rock which you crawled out from
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COLLEGE: A three-year starter at strong safety for Clemson, finished his career with 234 tackles and 11 interceptions.
