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Friendly Advice to UK Tiger: your false characterizations
Jan 16, 2022, 10:20 PM
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of the right as anti immigration, anti-this, etc. is just plain garbage. You demean yourself with your constant bizarre attacks on the right, not based on facts and history, but rather on YOUR hateful mind that goes after anybody not anti-Trump. Do you even realize the bad look you present?
We want thoughtful and comprehensively controlled immigration for EVERYBODY. It's not racist to want a safe border with proper, common sense guardrails, not the ridiculous debacle Biden has created that offends 95% of Americans.
I'm personally ashamed for you. Clean it up!
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Re: Friendly Advice to UK Tiger: your false characterizations
Jan 17, 2022, 6:39 AM
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I mean show me a GOP platform or policy set? Literally anything which shows their stance on where to take America?
Or is the stance to be against anything the Democrats do? Which would be basically being “anti-“ ….
Apologies for pointing out the fallacy of the right’s mindset.
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Re: Friendly Advice to UK Tiger: your false characterizations
Jan 17, 2022, 6:49 AM
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UK , I’m still wanting you to answer my question from the other thread
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Re: Friendly Advice to UK Tiger: your false characterizations
Jan 17, 2022, 6:54 AM
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Which one?
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Re: Friendly Advice to UK Tiger: your false characterizations
Jan 17, 2022, 7:10 AM
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I’ll just ask it here again. You seem to think none of us who vote as conservatives have any empathy. I’ve asked you several times what gave you personally done to help the poor? You said I should take take some poor people to vote. Ok fine, that’s not a bad idea. I want you to tell me what you have sacrificed? Voting democrat does not count. Votin Republican does not count. Taking someone to the voting polls is a nice gesture but it does not change someone’s world. Volunteering for a day is great but it does not change someone’s life. Tell me what you, UK, gave done to change someone’s life for the better. You are the champion of empathy so just tell me.
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Re: Friendly Advice to UK Tiger: your false characterizations
Jan 17, 2022, 7:48 AM
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Thanks (sometimes i lose track of messages as we go down a rabbit hole…)
My work is related to eradicating poverty and providing infrastructure to enable creating a safe and secure world for the worlds underserved and poor.
Simple things like access to clean water and sewage systems. Women access to information and products on menstruation and tools to manage their periods.
All things you all take for granted on the daily these people don’t have. This is your privilege I speak. For example, I bet your wives, girlfriends or daughters don’t even have to think about access to period products in a safe and hygienic way. Tens of millions of women worry about this every day.
And this happens in America too. The richest culture to ever have existed and we have millions
Struggling to just do the basics in life.
So that’s what I do.
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Re: Friendly Advice to UK Tiger: your false characterizations
Jan 17, 2022, 7:53 AM
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That’s an admirable profession. But if I’m understanding that’s your job correct? Is it your company?
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Re: Friendly Advice to UK Tiger: your false characterizations
Jan 17, 2022, 9:19 AM
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That is my career yes. Not my company
But I work with private, public, ngos etc to make it happen
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Re: Friendly Advice to UK Tiger: your false characterizations
Jan 17, 2022, 8:24 AM
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Who do you show empathy for?
Sorry, who you once were - as a human - no longer seems to be who you are. I've watched your position harden and metastasize over the last 18 months or so. You've become strident, angry, intractable, and so partisan you increasingly seem to regard anybody not in your tribe as the enemy, and you also seem to lack the self-awareness to even recognize that in yourself.
You struck me as a half-decent fella when you first came on here. You're just another MAGA partisan now. And MAGA partisans are, sorry, Fascists. They check every box.
We are what we do. And what you do now is anger and blind partisanship. You aren't who you used to be, not at all.
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Re: Friendly Advice to UK Tiger: your false characterizations
Jan 17, 2022, 8:31 AM
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First of all I’m not asking you. I confronted UK because he constantly claims anyone who voted differently from him can’t have any empathy. He has no idea who I am and what I do and neither do you. Go read tge nastiness UK posts towards me and others. Go read tge garbage from Unfinished. I confront them and call them out on their hypocrisy and you them come out all arrogant towards me. Who is tge angry bunch? I’ll ask the same question if you. You boys are tge champions of empathy so what have you done?
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Re: Friendly Advice to UK Tiger: your false characterizations
Jan 17, 2022, 8:55 AM
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Again, see the blind partisanship? I don't like the flaming unfinished sentence does. He lapses far too much into personal attacks. And uk is extremely liberal. On terms of policy I agree with far more of the (old) Republican platform - back when the GOP actually had a platform, anyhow, it didn't the last RNC, just "more Trump - than I do with the liberal one.
I am no liberal. I'm just not on your side because MAGA is the enemy of anything not itself. I'm political homeless. I feel like a dinosaur.
This is the old GOP, tardog, IMHO the best version of who we used to be:
https://www.ted.com/talks/bob_inglis_conservative_climate_courage_no_he_s_not_kidding Conservative Climate Courage. (No, he's not kidding.) A former member of Congress calls fellow conservatives to step up and step out on climate change. Invoking JFK's "Moon Shot Speech" at Rice University in September 1962, Inglis says "When leaders are optimistic, they're saying they believe in the people they represent." It's time to believe--really believe--that free enterprise can solve climate change. "It's OK, no, it's a good thing, that many progressives agree." It's time to celebrate "the really good news" that we can bring America together and lead the world to solutions on climate change.
This is the new GOP. Who you are now...and why I left the party when all this started. Here, I'll let Randy Rainbow explain in song form since nobody conveys visceral disgust quite as well as a gay guy doing a musical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ8ldD9wKmY
If you don't see how things have changed - how you're changing - I can't help you.
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Re: Friendly Advice to UK Tiger: your false characterizations
Jan 17, 2022, 9:26 AM
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I agree here. Yes I’ve moved pretty far left in my
Life but I was a Reagan voter. I was part of the GOP who still had compassionate conservative at its core.
That GOP is gone and has been replaced with just this hurtful emptiness. With fear mongering and hate. I mean, George W Bush would likely not be welcome in the party now! That’s crazy to me
So I do get frustrated and attack and what not. I apologize for that. Honestly I know people here aren’t bad people. You just want to live your lives and have a shot at the American dream like everyone does. I just wish that dream involved not having to step over people to get there. There is more than enough to go around.
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Re: Friendly Advice to UK Tiger: your false characterizations
Jan 17, 2022, 10:14 AM
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Why has this conversation turned to Trump ? What have I said in this discussion about Trump? UK has accused me of having no empathy. He says he basically knows everything I’m about. So, let’s not change the subject and let UK answer the question I’ve asked so many times that I’m getting bored.
I’ve been trashed and called so many names in here that I can’t keep up. When I counter with questions it’s “see you’re a Trumper. See , you’re mean”. UK answer my question please.
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Re: Friendly Advice to UK Tiger: your false characterizations
Jan 17, 2022, 10:24 AM
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back at you: What Dem 'policy sets' are you opposed to, if any? And what policies are you happy with?
Specifically, what is your take on Biden's border policy?
Should America treat the southern border the same as the northern border?
What countries have open borders a la Biden?
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Re: Friendly Advice to UK Tiger: your false characterizations
Jan 17, 2022, 10:37 AM
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Muira … you know the answer to this.
Biden has barely changed Trumps policy he inherited on the southern border.
The only real changes were the separation policies and stopping the funding for the wall Mexico is paying for (oh whoops! We’re paying for it)
He still automatically deports under section 42.
I am for
Honoring DACA under what Obama promised
Open up farm and temporary worker visas to pre trump levels
Opening up H-1B to higher levels than under Trump
And other ways to upskill and fill these millions of jobs we have open.
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Re: Friendly Advice to UK Tiger: your false characterizations
Jan 17, 2022, 10:58 AM
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If you're being serious - and I feel kind of stupid even trying to have a "policy discussion" with you, since you're a pure troll - I could say: I disagree with most of the Dems' positions.
The Dems are pro-big-government everything. I go completely the opposite way, and favor the free market and small businesses. Exactly like Bob Inglis in his speech, I think the free market can absolutely save us, if we let it.
The Dems want big government programs to provide for people. Give them money in times of crisis, artificially lower rents, even directly redistribute wealth. They see the government as an active instrument. They particularly seem to want a big sprawling all-powerful Federal government that applies one-size-fits-all solutions to the entire country, like we're all the same and they can possibly legislate reality that way.
I don't. At all. I believe in free markets, and I think the best government is the one closest to you, and that local County-level governments should have by far the most power in terms of collecting taxes, setting local ordnances, setting community standards that allow their residents to live the way they want to live. You allow that, you'll have flaming liberal communities and conservative communities and everything in between, and people will be allowed to experiment with and crash-test solutions on a local level rather than forcing sweeping, completely unproven reforms on the entire nation. And I think we'll find a bunch of positive ways forward, if we just do that: let people live the way they want to live.
The Feds should be refs, nothing more. They should enforce freedom of movement, basic common civil rights. They should provide an army for common defense. They should make sure, say, interstate slavery and mass smuggling of dangerous arms isn't happening. They should ensure the most egregious environmental contaminators aren't poisoning our lakes and rivers with PCB's or pouring heavy metal into our water supplies, or leaving behind environmental catastrophes with million-year half-lifes. And that's about it. Refs, not active agencies. Anything that actually needs doing should be as local as possible...and as privatized as possible. (I'd even personally privatize the cops...so if the community's dissatisfied with them, they can actually just fire them.)
As for the border? Of course we should enforce it, and we're probably going to have to be a little Draconian about how we enforce it, since our country simple cannot afford - and shouldn't try - to absorb mass groups of refugees from failing third-world nations. On the other hand this business about building The Great Wall of Trump at our borders and turning us into Fortress America, complete with moat, minefields, and towering turreted walls bristling with machine guns and barbed wire is completely stupid too. We need to be sensible...and we need to lose the rhetoric, and take a cold, clear-eyed view of the problem, how it's going to be sensibly addressed. And it's going to be a lot more manpower and tech and coordination than moats, walls, and minefields. And I probably would allow more people in than you want to as well...and I suspect unlike you, I don't care if they're black or brown. We need people. Workers. And there should be a cleaner path to citizenship than we now have.
I absolutely do not want a nation propped up by Guest Workers, be they here unofficially or officially. That's a sure-fire way to a stratified, racially divided society with no upward mobility. And those kind of civilizations historically wind up in trouble very quickly.
The main thing I agree with the Dems on, though, is that we should remain a democracy that adheres to the rule of law. That's where the GOP has parted ways with me, and become a lawless group of pro-authoritarian Fascists that want to break the country and burn our establishments to the ground. No, no, no. The kind of poison and hatred you pour endlessly in your 4,375 posts a day is a deal-breaker for me, because it's endemic of the GOP today.
The more your "side" rants and trolls, the more you show your fundamental contempt for others - and the more determined I become to ensure you never, ever get your way.
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