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Everyone here is talking about how sleazy Tony Buzbee is
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Everyone here is talking about how sleazy Tony Buzbee is


Apr 1, 2021, 11:56 PM

but I haven’t seen anyone mention how sleazy Deshaun’s attorney is.

Here is a good read about him:

https://nypost.com/2021/03/27/deshaun-watson-massage-lawsuits-rusty-hardins-shady-past/


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Re: Everyone here is talking about how sleazy Tony Buzbee is


Apr 2, 2021, 12:07 AM

That's because most of us here are DW4 fans and are happy to be biased. Anything unsual about that?

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Of course we are all hoping Deshaun is innocent


Apr 2, 2021, 12:13 AM

but that shouldn’t keep us from being objective.

This is a serious case. Either 20+ women are slandering an innocent pro athlete for money and/or attention, or we have a talented NFL superstar who has a pattern of using his celebrity to prey on and sexually harass vulnerable women.

Either way, this is an ugly situation.

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Re: Of course we are all hoping Deshaun is innocent


Apr 2, 2021, 4:52 AM

Objectively speaking, if there are 20+ instances of a man assaulting women, the cops should be involved.

Buzbee is a scumbag and you’re kidding yourself if you don’t see this for the smear campaign it is.

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Buzbee seems to be a scumbag, but so does Deshaun's attorney


Apr 2, 2021, 2:45 PM

which is important here since the back-and-forth through the media is all we have to go on at this point.

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Re: Buzbee seems to be a scumbag, but so does Deshaun's attorney


Apr 2, 2021, 11:04 PM

Judge let me add this. So far, what has been going thru the are a few unreliable statements from 20 anonymous, unreliable witnesses. If you like victims better then OK. What's the background of these witnesses? Are any of them victims of the sex slave trade? What other conversations are on their phones? What's their history as masseuses? Give me factual, credible answers to these questions and then I'll answer your OP.

Until then I'll believe 1 known witness named Watson than 1000 Jane Does!

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If we were just talking about one woman, or maybe two


Apr 2, 2021, 11:33 PM

then you can easily argue that they had consensual sex with him and saw an opportunity to capitalize in the #metoo era.

But TWENTY women? I really want to believe that Deshaun is innocent, but it would take quite the conspiracy for that many women to orchestrate their made up stories in an attempt to extort money from him.

Bottom line, if this were a player from another school, the people here saying that Deshaun is innocent and claiming that he’s been framed would be saying that the other player is a scum bag who sexually assaulted women.

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We truly don't know if there are 20 women


Apr 3, 2021, 8:09 AM

that's going by the attorney's words and he won't release names so all we could know there may be one woman...maybe two....there's no validation it actually is 20. Now it could be but we simply don't know.

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Re: If we were just talking about one woman, or maybe two


Apr 3, 2021, 9:26 AM [ in reply to If we were just talking about one woman, or maybe two ]

As usual, you have problems observing the larger picture. There’s a reason it’s hard to believe Buzbee, and it has less to do with Buzbee and more to do with Deshaun.

Never, not once, not ever has Deshaun presented as or been described as anything less than high character. I’m fully aware that people can fool us. However, those are the facts we are all working on. Combine that with Buzbee’s shady history, the anonymous sources, the refusal to go to police, and the already attempted extortion attempt by one of these women in January...well, maybe you can step back from the weeds and at least see what the rest of us see.

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That’s refreshing !


Apr 2, 2021, 7:56 AM [ in reply to Re: Everyone here is talking about how sleazy Tony Buzbee is ]

Seriously.. good for you for admitting it...

I’m biased towards massage therapists... I actually know one or two, and I’ve never met DW4.. not really just sayin ...

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You are so sad. Anything to cast shade...


Apr 2, 2021, 1:16 AM

...on the football program to make yourself feel better about our mediocre basketball program is fair game. Just pitiful.

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Apr 2, 2021, 1:19 AM



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Re: You are so sad. Anything to cast shade...


Apr 2, 2021, 7:24 AM [ in reply to You are so sad. Anything to cast shade... ]

And there is the problem. People here who actually believe that if this is all true, it casts shade on the Clemson football program. It's why some here are taking this so personally. It's entirely possible DW has abused some, all, or none of these women and Clemson still has a good, clean program.

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Re: You are so sad. Anything to cast shade...


Apr 2, 2021, 7:49 AM

It’s also entirely possible Judge Keller is a piece of trash regardless of what Deshaun Watson did or didn’t do.

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I'm clearly living rent-free in your head.


Apr 2, 2021, 2:49 PM

That's unfortunate, because I should be allowed to share my opinion of Deshaun's attorney without you getting all upset about it.

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Re: I'm clearly living rent-free in your head.


Apr 2, 2021, 4:46 PM

I wasn’t responding to your OP nor challenging your right to have an opinion about Deshaun’s lawyer. But go off I guess.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: I'm clearly living rent-free in your head.


Apr 3, 2021, 1:04 AM

How many Scok’s does the Q have?
, ???????

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Exactly.***


Apr 2, 2021, 2:49 PM [ in reply to Re: You are so sad. Anything to cast shade... ]



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You're sad if you are so biased that you can't


Apr 2, 2021, 2:47 PM [ in reply to You are so sad. Anything to cast shade... ]

be even remotely objective.

Did you read the article about Deshaun's attorney I posted?

If so, do you have a problem with some of the things he has said and done? Because I do.

I would prefer that Deshaun not be represented by someone like that.

And I feel just fine about our basketball program. I don't need to tear down the football program, nor do I want to. Where do you come up with this crap?

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Re: Everyone here is talking about how sleazy Tony Buzbee is


Apr 2, 2021, 3:07 AM

The NY Post?????????????? ummmm they aren't sleazy?

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Do you automatically reject everything you read


Apr 2, 2021, 2:51 PM

in the NY Post?

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Re: Everyone here is talking about how sleazy Tony Buzbee is


Apr 2, 2021, 4:51 AM

Unfortunately ever since Matlock died, I’m not sure another non-sleazy defense attorney exists.

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Well that's a fair point.***


Apr 2, 2021, 2:51 PM



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You are trash...Bashing Watson doesn't make Brownell a good


Apr 2, 2021, 6:48 AM

coach. Brownell still sucks no matter what Watson did or who his attorney is.

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Wow, sensitive much?


Apr 2, 2021, 2:53 PM

How old are you?

First of all, I have never bashed Deshaun.

Second, sharing my opinion of Deshaun's attorney is not bashing Deshaun. I'm simply commenting on things his attorney has said and done that I find objectionable.

Third, basketball has nothing to do with this. Nada. I'm not sure why you are bringing up Brownell.

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Specifically what did u find objectionable? ****


Apr 2, 2021, 6:10 PM



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He’s right. You suck. Was hoping that #### poor


Apr 3, 2021, 7:23 AM [ in reply to Wow, sensitive much? ]

NCAA appearance did you in.

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There's something in these hills.


100% of trial lawyers are effffin sleazeballs


Apr 2, 2021, 7:22 AM

its the only profession where you are expected to lie, its acceptable to lie and everyone knows it.
The jury's job is to figure out who's lies are closer to the truth and the person in control is an expert liar that has been elevated based on his lying abilities.

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Re: Everyone here is talking about how sleazy Tony Buzbee is


Apr 2, 2021, 7:44 AM

I did not read anything particularly sleepy in the article you posted. Not sure if DW4 is guilty or not but will wait until it plays out. Not sure why folks feel the need to post about the situation daily then argue about something when the facts are unknown

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Especially since many people talking about it here


Apr 2, 2021, 2:54 PM

are clearly unable to look at the situation objectively.

It's homerism at its finest.

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THIS is the funniest thing EVER on TNet . . . JK pointing


Apr 2, 2021, 4:01 PM

out something / ANYTHING as HOMERISM . . . .


L O L O L O L O L O L O L O L O L O L O . . . . . .


A remarkable troll of all trolls.

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Brad Brownell: Only Larry freaking Shyatt has a WORSE overall winning percentage among Clemson basketball coaches since 1975. Let that sink in. It's Larry Shyatt & then Brad Brownell.


But you see, I’m not the basketball homer you think I am.


Apr 2, 2021, 6:25 PM

I’m able to acknowledge the good season we had while also pointing out that we need to improve our offense, recruit better, and support basketball better.

See how that works?

Now, if we can just get you to recognize the good things our basketball program has done.

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Re: Everyone here is talking about how sleazy Tony Buzbee is


Apr 2, 2021, 9:13 AM

Buzbee, provide the accuser's names and depositions, then show me the Video and DNA evidence. Until then it's all a page out of the Inquirer.

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Plaintiffs attorneys and defense attorneys..


Apr 2, 2021, 2:41 PM

are the sleaziest in their profession. That's just the way it is.

This is why my brother turned to academia and became a professor of international law at a university.

He has a conscience.

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Ha! Good for your brother!***


Apr 2, 2021, 2:55 PM



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Re: Everyone here is talking about how sleazy Tony Buzbee is


Apr 2, 2021, 3:45 PM

Look, I'm not automatically giving Deshaun a free pass. Sometimes people have public faces that are very different from their private faces and they are very different people when the door closes. Bill Cosby was. Matt Lauer was. Just because he was special to us does not mean Deshaun Watson was any kind of saint.

But for cryin' out loud take a look at the way Buzzbee came out with this stuff.

First he demanded a six-figure settlement.

That didn't work, so then the hit parade started. All these suits, filed anonymously, Buzzbee braying defiance and bravery and Marinehood like it has any kind of relevance to anything. And the suits looked like they'd been typed up by somebody who'd failed fanfic. "I went to Deshaun's house. He wore a skimpy towel. During the massage he got a boner. I was uncomfortable."

And, uh...you're suing over that as a masseuse? Okay then. You might just be in the wrong line of work.

And allow me to direct you to that one text message that our man Buzzbee presented as alleged "proof" of Deshaun's misdeeds, which actually kind of seemed like proof of the opposite:



https://thespun.com/nfl/afc-south/houston-texans/lawyer-posts-alleged-text-messages-from-deshaun-watson


So to sum up: Buzzbee basically filed some laughably flimsy lawsuits, built on unsubstantiated allegations stacked atop still more unsubstantiated allegations, promised to go to the cops...and then didn't. And then stacked some more unsubstantiated allegations on top of that, to distract from the fact that all Buzzbeee's got to this point is a text message that confesses to ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, and oh yeah, hey, here's another whole pile of unsubstantiated allegations, impressive, huh?

He's made a sh!t-ton of noise, Buzzbee has. But you know what he's actually shown that's substantive, much less remotely proven?

Nothing. Nada. Zero. Bupkis. He hasn't even produced a name, much less a credible accusation, so Deshaun's lawyer can't even start the discovery process.

All Buzzbee's done is produce a stink. And here you are swallowing it like there's something to this, when Buzzbee has not even yet really even made a credible allegation. And the fact that Buzzbee hasn't and when pushed shirks from cooperating with the cops tells you there almost certainly isn't one. Which means this is smoke and mirrors, a shell game, making much of a muchness. Creating the illusion there's a "there" there. But the longer this goes on, the more damage it does to Deshaun's reputation, and I think that is maybe ultimately the point.

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Re: Everyone here is talking about how sleazy Tony Buzbee is


Apr 2, 2021, 6:05 PM

Per usual, good post quozzel. My heart aches for DW4, not because he is guilty or innocent, but because he has done so much good when he didn’t have to, brought so much joy to so many, and loved and cared so openly for his mother, all while having none of the advantages of a father figure or an advantaged childhood, but the opposite. He’s a broken man like every single one of us, yet his talent and hard work have made him a highly visible target for evil to bring down, no matter what the truth may be.

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Re: Everyone here is talking about how sleazy Tony Buzbee is


Apr 3, 2021, 7:42 AM

It was hard to keep reading after "my heart aches" but I did.

Maybe it's isn't his talent and hard work that made him a target, but his conduct.

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Re: Everyone here is talking about how sleazy Tony Buzbee is


Apr 2, 2021, 3:53 PM

Well played. I bet your laser pointer keeps all the cats on their toes!

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Re: Everyone here is talking about how sleazy Tony Buzbee is


Apr 3, 2021, 12:16 AM

Nothing worse than a sleazy judge.

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Re: Everyone here is talking about how sleazy Tony Buzbee is


Apr 3, 2021, 12:59 AM



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I enjoy a good sleaze off


Apr 3, 2021, 8:51 AM

That's why both these attorneyss are loaded. Two masters of their craft. Two dudes playing the public, the courts, and each other.

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