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Oxford Shooting
Dec 4, 2021, 10:49 AM
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Not sure if you all have heard, but many kids knew this was coming. 1/3 of the school was out that day. The week before a mom had gotten a text from her son saying he felt unsafe. He had been hearing rumblings of a shooter. She went and got him. They sat and talked and she told him that school should and is a safe place and he could always count on the teachers and officers to keep him safe. A week later he is calling his mom saying “it’s happened” as he is running down the street away from the school.
There was a deer head found at the school a week or so before and a dead bird in a bottle of urine in the bathroom. Nothing was done or really investigated. “Just a prank”.
The darn shooter was caught searching for ammo online and his mom said “LOL, not mad at you, learn to not get caught”.
I hope the parents get the max for their involvement as they were absolutely involved.
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We are an anger based culture now. To think it won't infect
Dec 4, 2021, 12:10 PM
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everything is willful blindness.
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Re: Oxford Shooting
Dec 4, 2021, 1:17 PM
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Drew a bunch of crazy things on his desk I heard too. Like a gun pointed at a person with a laughing emoji.
Very crazy, and I'm with the law prosecuting those parents
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The teachers did an amazing job
Dec 4, 2021, 1:31 PM
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at recognizing the issue. The parents,ultimately, are the main issue. They should have taken them home.
FWIW Detroit City Schools have a police force and Chief. He was saying in Detroit, they could have remanded him for psych evaluation on the spot, for at least 72 hours. That is what we need in all districts, an actual police force handling the schools.
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Re: The teachers did an amazing job
Dec 4, 2021, 1:55 PM
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Ultimately coming down to giving a mental kid a frickin gun while they heard it going on. Sounds as unstable as you can get.
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They're human trash. Their kid is in jail for a school
Dec 4, 2021, 9:02 PM
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shooting and they try to flee the country.
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Re: Oxford Shooting
Dec 4, 2021, 2:19 PM
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I'm mixed on this one, but of course it all depends on the law.
Are they bad parents? Horrible if what is reported is true. What kind of example is "just don't get caught?"
Is there a law against being a shid parent? Probably not.
Was it illegal to buy a 15 year old a gun? I don't know.
Should they have fled? No.
But other than fleeing, what are they guilty of? This is of particular interest to me because Mrs. Fordt is a teacher and there are some kids that are just bad seeds. I know the conventional wisdom is that bad student comes from bad parent but that is not always true.
I help out in some afterschool stuff and there are some very good parents who simply have bad kids. No amount of discipline or love can train these little hellions... I've seen it for myself. Even two kids from the same family - one good, one out of control.
My point is if this becomes a precedent, that parents are criminalized based on their kids actions, that's bad - because even good parents have shid kids.
So if the parents have broken a law, nail 'em. But just because they happen to have a shid kid? No. Or just because they sugg horribly at parenting? No.
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It is legal for the 15 year old to have
Dec 4, 2021, 2:37 PM
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a weapon in instances of hunting, gun range, etc. with an adult present. There is no law here as far as having to secure the gun within your home. There are no laws against you just having a gun hanging on the wall with a 10 year old in the house.
However, I think there is a huge case here for criminal negligence manslaughter. The parents were so negligent, even enough to tell the kid not to learn to not get caught when looking for ammo at school, that they have to be held accountable. The school principal and counselor should be fired too for not providing a safe environment for the rest of the student population. Allowing that kid to go back into the classroom was egregious.
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Re: It is legal for the 15 year old to have
Dec 4, 2021, 3:03 PM
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Agreed this is incredibly complex and tragic, and the parents are garbage, but so many questions have to be asked for the criminality part. Hopefully closing some loopholes on the way to stop this crap.
I think it's crazy to allow a kid to search for ammo online in school, but illegal?
Does school administration even have the ability to remove a kid from the classroom?
Here, the administrator can pull a kid from the classroom, and they can sit in the office, but they can't be kicked off-site to stand in the street. They can request parent come and get the kid, but if the parent doesn't come, they kid stays on campus.
And the gun in the backpack. It's very tricky for a teacher to even search a kid's backpack without parents going ape shid over violating their child's "privacy" and personal rights. And here it seems no one, parents or admin, even thought or was willing to take on the possible backlash to do that.
I'm getting the feeling this whole thing is a tragic consequence of bureaucratic paralysis, mental disturbance, and negligent parenting. Kid is mental, parents are too entitled and crazy to be curbed in any way, and school is too hamstrung to do anything without fear of legal consequence short of going exactly by the book, whatever the book says. A tragedy of our own making.
Will be interesting to see what the laws are on this, and if anything changes. Sad in every way.
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100% correct.***
Dec 4, 2021, 7:44 PM
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they gave an underaged nut job a gun knowing
Dec 4, 2021, 3:34 PM
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that he was a nut job
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Yep. Guns don’t kill people
Dec 4, 2021, 4:29 PM
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Just ###### people that can easily access guns then kill a bunch of people. And yet nothing will change.
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every day 26 black people are killed with guns
Dec 4, 2021, 4:37 PM
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young black men and teens are 20 times more likely to get killed with a gun then young white men and teens.
Yet it's big news when white kids kill or are killed.
I have no problem making it illegal for a parent to give a 15 year old a gun. I have no problem with it being a punishable crime and making the person that gave the teen, or anyone not legally allowed to own a gun, guilty of any crimes that were committed with that gun similar to everyone involved with a robbery is guilty of murder if one of them kills.
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Being a ###### gun owner is not restricted to skin color
Dec 4, 2021, 4:50 PM
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Shootings in schools should be big news. Though we’re becoming numb to all gun deaths (as seen by lack of care about daily shootings in cities)
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same day 4 killed in Ga including a police officer
Dec 4, 2021, 5:14 PM
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one is big news the other isn't because it doesn't fit the narrative
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I'll Tell you what some kids are retarded.
Dec 4, 2021, 5:31 PM
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What narrative are you perceiving?
Dec 4, 2021, 5:31 PM
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All of these incidents are terrible. None of them are justified and should be outraged at all. I don’t understand why you appear defensive here.
Plus anytime a kid does the shooting, and/or school has a shootout, it tends to be news.
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What narrative are YOU not getting?
Dec 4, 2021, 8:01 PM
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It's just waht he said. Black kids shoot each other every day, and it doesn't make the national news.
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I’m not defending any of them, nor the red herring
Dec 4, 2021, 11:00 PM
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They all suck. We won’t solve why white shooters on white victims gets different attention from black shooters on black victims.
A psycho kid at school with issues shouldn’t have access to a gun. An angry kid in the inner city shouldn’t have access to a gun.
The entire social contract (or is it social construct) is broken
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Did they "give it to him", to access and carry and shoot as
Dec 4, 2021, 7:50 PM
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he saw fit, or was he only supposed to touch it when they were with him? There is a huge difffernce, legally, and morally. Of course, if they knew he was having suiciadal and/or homicidal thoughts, and they gave him access to any firearms, then they failed him and society, I would agree.
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Absolutely a federal crime for them to buy him a gun.
Dec 4, 2021, 9:04 PM
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Straw sale.
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That is what I thought.***
Dec 5, 2021, 7:05 AM
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Defense could argue, and maybe successfully, that they did
Dec 5, 2021, 7:17 AM
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not purchase it specifically for him, only that he was allowed to use it under their supervision...
...but from what I saw their social media postings suggest it was directly for him, which would constitute a straw sale.
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The “teachers and officers will keep him safe.”
Dec 4, 2021, 6:14 PM
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Sadly, no.
Schools have plans for shooters; A.L.I.C.E. …a fancy acronym that basically equates to throwing coffee cups at the assailant. The answer to slow school shootings is a TSA style security checkpoint at every school entrance. Even then it’s never gonna stop.
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What a world we live in***
Dec 4, 2021, 6:20 PM
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