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Ever notice how we Southerners...
Mar 4, 2022, 7:32 AM
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Whenever the topic of slavery comes up and whether or not our ancestors owned em, we always say, "Well, my ancestors owned slaves but they treated em really well." I hear that in my family, too. "Your great great grandfather fought in Gettysburg and he owned one slave but he treated him really well."
Ya never hear someone say, "Yeah, my great great grandaddy had slaves and he treated em like ####!"
I did some work with a fella whose family still owns their 1800s plantation home, and he would say the same thing about how well they were treated. But after a little research digging, turns out one of the slaves was stabbed to death with a pocketknife by one of the foremen on the grounds for back talkin'.
Just musin' this mornin' following a conversation yesterday. Don't turn this into a P&R thing or summon NC_Tiger over here to argue about the benefits of slavery.
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A slave was the equivilent investment back then as a car
Mar 4, 2022, 7:53 AM
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is today. They weren't cheap. People tend not to damage investments like that.
And yeah, we still have slavery, it's just done differently. Same purpose/results though. If you make a post on an iPhone, there's many thousands of Chinese people who worked in a massive factory for 60 hours a week, who are paid about $300 a month to make that phone you use. If Americans made that phone, you wouldn't be able to afford it. Your underwear, made by people in Guatemala making $150 a month. Make your underwear in the USA, you can't afford it. So the purpose for slavery still exists, but it's soft slavery basically. It's an average job in the area where people are poor, but relative to us, it's slavery. Leveraging cheap labor. Same purpose, they're just paid, something. Not enough by our standards, and barely enough by their standards. But functionally it works the same way and for the same reasons.
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People will Carolina squat their trucks.***
Mar 4, 2022, 8:14 AM
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Why are you so angry?
Mar 4, 2022, 9:49 AM
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Especially about things that you aren't even involved with?
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are those folks able to come and go as they please?
Mar 4, 2022, 7:57 PM
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own land or even exist in their own space? allowed to be educated?
I kind of get what you meant, but it's not the same.
worse to be me (or just as agregious) were all the actions to keep folks from advancing even after they weren't property. i.e. Jim Crow laws.
Anyway, like I said, I kind of get what you were saying, there similarities in economic situations for sure. But there was way more wrong with the institution of slavery than being overworked and under(not)paid.
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Yeah Catahoula! It's impossible to have concerns about
Mar 4, 2022, 8:17 AM
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two things at one time. That's for those smart people!
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I knew I could count on Chem to take this too seriously.***
Mar 4, 2022, 8:53 AM
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It's not really slavery, but it does serve the same general
Mar 4, 2022, 9:18 AM
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purpose slavery served in the past. It's just not slavery, technically. They're paid. And for their area, an average wage. For us, no way. In some places, there are literally no decent jobs, none that pay enough for even food and shelter. Those people work for pennies an hour, and barely survive, literally. So when a US clothing company comes in, builds a plant, and gets every tax break, and breaks every OSHA and EPA regulation because they don't exist, and they hire these people who will now make a decent wage compared to starving, well, to them it's not slavery. To us, though, it appears that way.
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No, I haven't noticed.
Mar 4, 2022, 8:20 AM
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No one has ever said that to me. Lived in the south for almost 62 years.
HTMFH
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same. I've never heard a conversation like that in my life
Mar 4, 2022, 8:27 AM
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I can't imagine ever being around people who would have a conversation like that. How does that even start?
Besides, my family back in the 1700-1800s were too poor to own slaves to start with (and they were in SC pre-Revolutionary War). They were basically slaves themselves (sharecroppers or dirt farmers) beholden to the Bank or the Revenuer.
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Re: same. I've never heard a conversation like that in my life
Mar 4, 2022, 2:35 PM
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Deet-toe!
Lived offa the dirt and what we cood grow even when I wuz a kid.
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I've never had such a conversation.
Mar 4, 2022, 8:21 AM
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I think my ancestors were probably too poor to own slaves, but I don't know.
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Re: Ever notice how we Southerners...
Mar 4, 2022, 8:26 AM
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Have no idea what my ancestors owned. I don't think they owned much of anything. Never had this conversation with anyone.
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Well, ###### guys...
Mar 4, 2022, 8:37 AM
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I guess I pal around with too many descendants of slave owners.
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LOOK YALL, WE GOT A RICH GUY IN HERE***
Mar 4, 2022, 8:53 AM
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Hey! Hey!
Mar 4, 2022, 8:55 AM
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My great great granddaddy could only afford ONE slave, thank you very much.
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to come full circle here
Mar 4, 2022, 9:02 AM
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he prolly treated him fairly well 
realized I missed this conversation in my response below haha...did it again
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Re: Well, ###### guys...
Mar 4, 2022, 8:53 AM
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Well, you do live in the Charleston area.
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It's not a topic as common as today's weather, but yes
Mar 4, 2022, 8:58 AM
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I have heard that said once or twice before around York County. And generally, it came from folks who know less about their own family history than I did.
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My Great Grandfather owned a hotel
Mar 4, 2022, 8:33 AM
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and had black people that worked for him. He paid them tho and they had housing. Not great housing, but liveable. One of the houses still stands.
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Checks notes:
Mar 4, 2022, 8:54 AM
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{x} paid employees
Not Slavery.
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plot twist
Mar 4, 2022, 8:54 AM
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paid them in lashings
Sorry
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I'll join the chorus of people who have lived in the South
Mar 4, 2022, 8:49 AM
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their entire lives and have never, ever heard anyone say that.
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samsies***
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I do not know that any of my relatives owned slaves
Mar 4, 2022, 8:52 AM
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They were dirt poor, backwoods farmers from Westfield, NC. The two bedroom farmhouse my grandmother was raised in with her seven siblings is still in the family and probably will be. I know of at least one member of my family fought in the 2nd NC Battalion in the Civil War. I doubt he owned or gave a single #### about slavery. To them, their kids were their workforce and that is why they had so many.
I would not be surprised to hear that any of these plantations would have more than a basketful of similar stories that you shared, though.
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nail on the head
Mar 4, 2022, 8:59 AM
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grand dad was one of 12, his parents both had 8 or 9 siblings. they were the slaves, lol. and they were treated as well as they could be.
I've never heard anyone say they had slaves or treated their slaves well. perhaps my friends rolodex ain't loaded w/ aristocratic southern bank rollers lol...
nice humblebrag Catahoula®
haven't dusted this piece of history off in quite a while, but I'm fairly certain the distribution of southern slave owners in the south is fairly consistent with socio-economic class structure of today.
meaning you had the .001% who had the massive plantations
< 5% who had like 20 slaves
<20% who had like 1-5 slaves
...but maybe I'm off. I think at least like 3/4 of the southern population did not have slaves.
all of this is from memory just kicking the #### around the coffee pot on a fridee mawn
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Re: nail on the head
Mar 4, 2022, 9:02 AM
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I've never heard anyone say they had slaves or treated their slaves well. perhaps my friends rolodex ain't loaded w/ aristocratic southern bank rollers lol...
nice humblebrag Catahoula®
I think some of y'all may be overreading in this post.
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Half my family were sharecroppers, the other half were
Mar 4, 2022, 8:53 AM
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probably poorer. Owning slaves was probably not something we did, but just because we were broke AF.
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I'm fairly sure I have some slave owners in my family.
Mar 4, 2022, 8:57 AM
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They've lived down here since the mid 1700's. I have no idea how they were treated... how would anybody know that?
The only thing I can even sorta relate to that is:
My grandfather farmed his whole life. Most of his EMPLOYEES were black. My dad would drive into town and pick them up every morning. He, my grandma, and my dad worked and ate right along side them for decades (including while my dad was in college... he'd wake up, go to class, come home, pick collards/squash/whatever, study, rinse and repeat... excelled through accounting school at a school that I won't name in this forum).
Grandaddy had retired from "truck farming" by the time I came along, but a lot of those workers would stop by and chat from time to time. My dad still keeps in touch with some of them. I had stuffed animals that some gave to me when I was born... I feel confident that he treated his employees well. Like I said at his funeral, "I never heard him say an unkind word about anybody, and I never heard anybody say an unkind word about him."
Sorry, I got a little off track... just reminiscing about Granddaddy. I've been doing that a lot lately. Happy memories.
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So, I did that 23 and Me thing
Mar 4, 2022, 9:00 AM
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And I made my results public so it could find relatives.
Turns out I have a few 3rd and 4th cousins who are black.
So me over here looking at my distant family in Mississippi that owned slaves like...
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My SIL did one of those and it had a note that she was
Mar 4, 2022, 9:59 AM
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an unusually high percentage "Neanderthal"... to which I replied, "duh - anybody with a decent of eyes can see that", lulz.
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Tell her congrats for pre-snitching on all of her
Mar 4, 2022, 10:20 AM
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descendants.
Ryanadidas VIII(I assume all of you have the same name, like George Foreman's family) will #### on a bush or something and some busy body will go collect the evidence, send it to the lab where they'll  on the computer then he'll have to register as a sex offender the rest of his life.
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There's currently a RyanAdidas IV
Mar 4, 2022, 10:29 AM
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So you're pretty close on that one.
Yea, I'm actually interested in doing it - only thing holding me back is what you mentioned... plus I'm lazy and cheap.
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Yeah, my wife liked to watch 'The Genetic Detective'
Mar 4, 2022, 10:41 AM
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After watching that and knowing my families proclivity for border line illegal activity I decided that would be a no-go for us.
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Something something something The Lost Cause yada yada
Mar 4, 2022, 9:07 AM
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I actaully don't know that I've talked with anyone who had ever admitted to their family owning slaves, most folks I now talk about how poor their family was.
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Solid contribution***
Mar 4, 2022, 9:14 AM
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Thanks***
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Everyone?
Mar 4, 2022, 10:50 AM
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They were probably treated well.***
Mar 4, 2022, 9:25 AM
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never talked to John C so i'd be guessing***
Mar 4, 2022, 9:26 AM
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LOOK YALL I FOUND THOMAS GREEN CLEMSON'S SCOK***
Mar 4, 2022, 9:28 AM
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I've never heard anyone say that. But you should pay
Mar 4, 2022, 9:34 AM
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reparations. My family never owned slaves, they came here after the civil war. Half were dark skinned "white people" eastern European Jews, the other half were English.
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Just a side note...
Mar 4, 2022, 9:34 AM
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I've heard docents from various southern historic properties complain that they get tired of being asked how the slaves were treated like the person asking is seeking reassurance that this plantation was the place where the slaves were practically members of the family.
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Oculus Spirit [81059]
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My great great great grandfather on my dads side had
Mar 4, 2022, 9:49 AM
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5 slaves as well as a gun manufacturing business in western NC at one point. There was even named a town for the business (they renamed the town later). He apparently did something stupid and lost the gun business (how do you lose a gun business during the Mexican American war?). Anyway, he ended up moving to Alabama and somewhere along the way gained 5 slaves. Dumbarse probably traded his business for slaves or somethin'.
In his will, while he didn't have anything else of note to give away, he still had 2 slaves left that he bequeathed to his eldest son. He mentioned them several times in his will, so they must have been a pretty big deal, at least to him.
I have no idea how he treated the slaves or even what became of them, but I do know how he treated his relatives, and that was like crap. All we got left from a reportedly successful gun business and a bunch of land in two states is an old musket and an ammo bag.
Thanks gramps!
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So your GG Grandfather owned slaves
Mar 4, 2022, 10:47 AM
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or did he rent them?
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Imma be honest, this is GOOD CONTENT
Mar 4, 2022, 10:55 AM
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GOOD CONTENT
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Quite possibly one of my favorite posts to curate
Mar 4, 2022, 11:25 AM
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Slamming the "Post Message" button felt like a money shot.
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Interesting.
Mar 4, 2022, 11:16 AM
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They're nearly worthless when brand new... actually they are a burden, then they quickly gain in value after about 12 years, maintain value through their prime, and then taper off quickly.
I guess it would depend on the terms of the lease, and at what age they were.
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^^^also not wrong***
Mar 4, 2022, 11:17 AM
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Such an obvious reply and I missed it.
Mar 4, 2022, 11:45 AM
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Thats why you are Obed® I guess.
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I was more than a little surprised it was still available.***
Mar 4, 2022, 11:51 AM
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I am against slavery
Mar 4, 2022, 10:00 AM
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Going on record here.
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You say that, but have you ever had one?
Mar 4, 2022, 10:11 AM
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I bet a lot of folks would change their tune if they had somebody to clean their house, cook, do yard work, etc. without having to pay them.
Also, if you don't pay them but supply them with an endless amount of drugs is it still slavery? NUANCE IS IMPORTANT!
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who says that? LOL***
Mar 4, 2022, 10:05 AM
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NOT to get all statistical on a Friday, but Southerners
Mar 4, 2022, 11:10 AM
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were much more likely to BE slaves than to be slave owners. I mean if you consider all of the Southerners.
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^^He's not wrong***
Mar 4, 2022, 11:12 AM
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Re: Ever notice how we Southerners...
Mar 4, 2022, 11:12 AM
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Had a related experience that has been told though the years in my family. Someone apparently owned one slave in the 1860's and after the war said "Well, you're free to go now." To which the slave replied "I don't have anywhere to go. I live here, all my friends and family are here. I don't know anyone anywhere else. Where am I supposed to go?" So they stayed on as a sharecropper, lived on the farm, and just kept working the fields together. With some marginal amount of barter or pay I presume.
We weren't exactly coastal or delta elites.
19 Biggest Slave Owners in the South, from 1860 census. Some names you might recognize.
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Estate of JOSHUA J. WARD, at SC, Georgetown, roll 1235 page 212, holding 1,130 slaves.
STEPHEN DUNCAN, at MS, Issaquena, roll 598 page 420B, holding 858 slaves.
J. BURNESIDE, at LA, Ascension, roll 427 page 31B, holding 753 slaves.
MEREDITH CALHOUN, at LA, Rapides, roll 430 page 178, holding 709 slaves.
WM. AIKEN, at SC, Colleton, roll 1234 page 1 of Jehossee Island, holding 700 slaves.
JOHN L. MANNING, at LA, Ascension, roll 427 page 31B, holding 670 slaves.
JOS. A. S. ACKLEN, at LA, West Feliciana, roll 428 page 291, holding 659 slaves.
R. F. W. ALLSTON, at SC, Georgetown, roll 1235 page 120, holding 631 slaves.
JOSEPH BLAKE, at SC, Beaufort, roll 1231, page 89 of Prince William Parish, holding 575 slaves
JNO. ROBINSON, at MS, Madison, roll 600, page 418, holding 550 slaves.
JERRETT BROWN, at AL, Sumter, roll 35, page 188B, holding 540 slaves.
ARTHUR BLAKE, at SC, Charleston, roll 1232 page 307B, holding 538 slaves.
JNO. J. MIDDLETON, at SC, Beaufort, roll 1231 page 33 of Prince William Parish, holding 530 slaves.
ELISHA WORTHINGTON, at AR, Chicot, roll 53 page 104, holding 529 slaves.
DANIEL BLAKE, at SC, Colleton, roll 1234 page 103 of St. Bartholomew, holding 527 slaves.
Estate J. C. JENKINS, at MS, Wilkinson, roll 604 pages 385B and 395, holding 523 slaves.
J. HARLESTON READ, at SC, Georgetown, roll 1235 page 105, holding 511 slaves.
JNO. BUTLER, at GA, McIntosh, roll 148 page 207, holding 505 slaves.
CHARLES HEYWARD, at SC, Colleton, roll 1234 page 78 of St. Bartholomew, holding 491 slaves.
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CU Medallion [64837]
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I see one that strikes me as funny, but I'll just keep that
Mar 4, 2022, 11:39 AM
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to myself.
#KeepTigernetDoxFree
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Oculus Spirit [93661]
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Brother,
Mar 4, 2022, 12:10 PM
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don't let white guilt consume you. 'All have sinned and come short...' As for me I don't have to look back to the days of slavery to see that I'm a sinner and don't recommend anyone take on the burden of the sins of their fathers being that we have enough to answer for today.
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All-In [40656]
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History went ahead and got the best of my curiosity
Mar 4, 2022, 12:29 PM
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I did a little digging on my moms side of the family tree and found out that more than likely my GREAT GREAT GREAT Grandfather and his family owned a few slaves. The family that ended up marrying into that family tree had a MUCH longer list of slaves that they owned, but I don't know much of that side of the family because it is not as well documented. From all the stories my mom told me, the married in family were "card carrying Klan members" so that seems to corroborate the pieces I am putting together.
I just want to go on record and say that my Great Great Great Grandfather and his sister probably treated their slaves great.
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CU Medallion [64837]
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I also did some digging and found a picture
Mar 4, 2022, 1:24 PM
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of clemsonrulez08®'s great great great Grandfather's sister treating her slaves great.
me right now:
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All-In [32646]
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This picture - lol . . . . so who has the link to the actual
Mar 4, 2022, 1:28 PM
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party ?
Is she even still alive ?
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All-In [32646]
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No. Never. Not once.***
Mar 4, 2022, 1:26 PM
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Lot o points [155851]
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what kind of sons of the confederacy types do you hang out
Mar 4, 2022, 1:27 PM
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with? What a bizarre conversation. I've never heard that in 47 years as a southerner on this planet.
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All-In [32646]
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Seriously. Goofiest "Have You Ever" on here in quite a bit.***
Mar 4, 2022, 1:29 PM
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Lot o points [155851]
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Hey, have you ever noticed how when you're hanging out with
Mar 4, 2022, 1:30 PM
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a group of guys, one guy will pull out his wang and the next thing you know there's a feverish circle jerk going on? Ever noticed that?
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All-In [32646]
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A wanger is an equivilent investment as a car so when all
Mar 4, 2022, 1:45 PM
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the boys gather around, there's lots of inspection and peeling back the layers and stuff, too.
So yeah - I can speak on authority with this.
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Lot o points [155851]
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LOL....yes, 5 paragraph Tiggity reply on the
Mar 4, 2022, 1:48 PM
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history, sociological implications, and future outlook prospects of group circle jerks.
P.S. This post made with full love and appreciation Tig.
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All-In [32646]
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Indubitably.
Mar 4, 2022, 2:19 PM
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I concur.
Tiggity®
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Oculus Spirit [97711]
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110%er [7013]
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I just say that
Mar 4, 2022, 2:24 PM
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we were poor white trash and could not afford slaves.
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Hall of Famer [24034]
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Oddly enough
Mar 4, 2022, 2:51 PM
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One of my friends, whose ancestors were slaves and slave owners, speaks fondly of the slave owning family. The slave owner left my friend's family a piece of land and a house in NC, when slavery ended. They still have their family reunion on this land.
That's the only slave conversation story I have.
I'm sure most of them are not like this, and obviously owning other humans is wrong (to say the least).
His shadowy picture is my icon.
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Being the first person in my family tree to be southern born
Mar 4, 2022, 6:00 PM
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I have no idea.
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