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Orange Blooded [2221]
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Are fans not justified in
Sep 27, 2021, 4:12 PM
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In showing their displeasure with the way the program has been moving the past season or 2. Fans are paying a lot of money to drive to a game, buy season tickets, iptay donations, and supporting the local economy with the money they spend on hotels, food, and Clemson gear. And alot of those expenses have increased exponentially with the success that Clemson has had over the past 10 years. Coordinators are making millions of dollars and this is what we get to see when we show up to see Clemson play. I hope things get fixed quickly and will always support my tigers but I certainly think fans have the right to say we need better.
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I'm just shocked, honestly. Didn't see this coming AT ALL.***
Sep 27, 2021, 4:15 PM
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Tell that to another fan base who would trade places with Clemson's
Sep 27, 2021, 4:17 PM
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Success even if that meant a down year.
As for criticism....that's fine with me...if you have a voice of reason.
As for how much Coaches make.....who gives a dang...how does that help this team today. I am so sick of people talking about what we pay our coaches as if that should make us the #1 team every year. It does not work that way.
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Re: Tell that to another fan base who would trade places with Clemson's
Sep 27, 2021, 4:19 PM
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No one thinks we should be number 1 every year. We think it’s ridiculous that we have one of the worst offenses in CFB with all the talent on our roster.
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Sure seems that there are many who think that.
Sep 27, 2021, 4:24 PM
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Re: Tell that to another fan base who would trade places with Clemson's
Sep 28, 2021, 10:15 AM
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Those other fanbases teams probably aren't paying their HC 10 million and their Cords 2 million.
We're clearly losing because of bad playcalling and coaching while the staff combined probably makes 16 million.
We don't expect 15-0 every year, just to at least win 8-10 games, right now this team looks worse then the 2008 Clemson team that got shell shocked by Alabama.
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Fans have a right to say anything
Sep 27, 2021, 4:26 PM
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Doesnt mean that much of what they say isn't childish, foolish, reactionary and a boring.
Our offense is bad. To think the coaches don't realize that because they don't vent to the press like fans do on here is insane
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110%er [8565]
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Voice of reason....
Sep 27, 2021, 4:31 PM
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We have been watching these coaches for years. We know they are about the "Team" first. They are not going to just say something to appease the fans.
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I agree with this.
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Sep 28, 2021, 10:19 AM
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It is very likely not a fun time to be inside the football facilities these days.
When Dabo and his staff say in interviews that they are working to get things improved…they have nothing to gain by saying anything more than that publicly.
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We are justified in being displeased
Sep 27, 2021, 4:29 PM
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The main issue from my view seems to be that we have not been able to address areas of weakness in the past few years on O.
Our D has had weakness the past 5 years, and we have been able to solve those problems within 1-2 weeks for small items in season, or at least get a fix over a 2 year period with scheme adjustments.
We are displeases that TE and company can not fix problems that have existed for years, and instead point to the fact that they have been able to cover up the issues with talent instead.
A great coach like BV has bent over backwards installing brand new scenes to put his players in position to win.
Brent is a great coach. TE is an above average coach, but is totally predictable because he never changes.
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Donations can reduce... attendance and watching can reduce
Sep 27, 2021, 5:18 PM
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When you see a program fall this far this fast, it will have negative affects on recruiting, on donations, on attendance, on marketing overall for the University and the brand.
But hey, everyone who thinks it is ok to just say bygones... you can do that. I for one find it unacceptable. Lots of investment has been made by many. What have they done with all that money? Did they throw it up a wild boar’s ###?
This is akin to dereliction of duty. The warning signs have been there for 2+ years but no corrective action was made. Stubbornness to not change is what occurred!
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Orange Blooded [2140]
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Re: Donations can reduce... attendance and watching can reduce
Sep 28, 2021, 10:03 AM
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Talk about an extremist rant.........
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Re: Are fans not justified in
Sep 27, 2021, 6:20 PM
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Of course fans are justified, but is the horse not dead yet?
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DONATION***
Sep 27, 2021, 6:32 PM
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Exactly. Coaches should be criticized when they don't
Sep 28, 2021, 8:12 AM
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perform. They make a ton of money to produce results.
This is also why I don't criticize players or say a certain player should be benched or whatnot. The players are just doing the best they can, and they were recruited by the coaches in the first place. Ultimately, the coaches are responsible.
If they don't like being criticized, I'm sure they can find a school where they can coach for free and not get any criticism.
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110%er [5014]
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NO, these band wagon nancy's "idjuts"
Sep 28, 2021, 10:37 AM
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In showing their displeasure with the way the program has been moving the past season or 2. Fans are paying a lot of money to drive to a game, buy season tickets, iptay donations, and supporting the local economy with the money they spend on hotels, food, and Clemson gear. And alot of those expenses have increased exponentially with the success that Clemson has had over the past 10 years. Coordinators are making millions of dollars and this is what we get to see when we show up to see Clemson play. I hope things get fixed quickly and will always support my tigers but I certainly think fans have the right to say we need better.
NO, these band wagon "Nancy's" and "idjuts" have no idea what they have here. WE have been and still are breathing "rarified air" Same people were ready to name their kids "Dobo", and give him a lifetime contract etc. 18 months ago.
Every once in a while you need a reminder that it isn't fun to lose, that it hurts to see poorer results than you have in a decade.
How about you look at the positives , even if that puts you on the recruiting trail rather than watching our games. We are doing pretty well there.
Gosh you critics of CJ, TE, QBs, & Dabo are just plum silly! or you are coots at heart. Reading your stuff sure sounds like you are.
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Re: Are fans not justified in
Sep 28, 2021, 10:50 AM
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If they express the displeasure with some respect I don’t think it would bother people as bad. The name calling and personal attacks should never be justified.
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Re: The problem is we have some so-called "fans" who think
Sep 28, 2021, 10:56 AM
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criticism of overpaid, under-performing offensive coaches is somehow off limits. I support my university financially and if I feel things need changing, I have every right to voice my opinion.
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