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Do you think America has gone downhill?
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Do you think America has gone downhill?


Sep 25, 2017, 2:24 PM

Let's keep it very general, talking about how great America is. Define that however you want.

If you do believe that America's greatness has decreased, then when was the peak? Obviously no need for a specific date...maybe a 5 to 10 year span.

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there's been a slow downward slide since


Sep 25, 2017, 2:28 PM

the end of the Cold War.

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Are you implying a causal relationship


Sep 25, 2017, 2:32 PM

or just using that as a chronological reference point (This is late 80s/early 90s, I believe)?

Do you believe having the USSR/communism as THE ENEMY was a positive thing for the United States?

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maybe


Sep 25, 2017, 3:09 PM

I think the cold war certainly galvanized most Americans. But I think there's more to it than that. Following the fall of the iron curtain, we had a real opportunity with pre-Putin Russia to put pressure on red-China in a way which would foster democracy and benefit us. Instead, in many ways, we acted as if Russia was still an enemy. I think for much of the 20th century, the idea that Western-style liberal democracy was the highest and best form of government was on the ascendancy with countries aspiring to the western model. I don't think thats the case today and its quite chilling.

Also, I think there has been an emergence of political correctness in the last 20 years in this country which is damaging. There are even those on the left who acknowledge this. The political correctness, as fostered by the media, has a chilling impact on free speech.

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No***


Sep 25, 2017, 2:29 PM



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in the last 3 weeks, yeah, a bunch


Sep 25, 2017, 2:32 PM

everyone was all united helping out the folks in the Texas floods.

Now? I don't think anybody even notices that Puerto Rico has no power at all.

https://youtu.be/m9S-4ab14sk

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Well, they aren't even a state.


Sep 25, 2017, 2:33 PM

There are places in America that don't have power, either.

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Aren’t they American citizens?***


Sep 26, 2017, 4:27 PM



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Re: Do you think America has gone downhill?


Sep 25, 2017, 2:43 PM

Yeup. The media has made everyone numb these days.

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Have any opinion on when the "peak" was?***


Sep 25, 2017, 2:55 PM



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1951***


Sep 25, 2017, 2:58 PM



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Minorities were loving it back then.*****


Sep 25, 2017, 3:00 PM



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66 years later, how much are they loving it now?***


Sep 25, 2017, 3:05 PM



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Way more. We didn't even allow black athletes generally.


Sep 25, 2017, 3:53 PM

It's nice they can go to quality schools etc etc. It's night and day better obviously.

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A lot more, they just won't admit it.***


Sep 26, 2017, 1:40 PM [ in reply to 66 years later, how much are they loving it now?*** ]



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Re: Bigtime.


Sep 25, 2017, 2:49 PM

All according to the plan to socialize the country

https://imgur.com/vNhwGpC

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You really need to start googling this kinda thing.


Sep 25, 2017, 2:56 PM

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/alinsky.asp

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Re: Bigtime.


Sep 26, 2017, 1:09 PM [ in reply to Re: Bigtime. ]

Again, you quote Saul Alinsky. This is fake news, Alinsky never said that.

We have enough problems without people making stuff up.

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Dude, google something before you post.


Sep 26, 2017, 8:15 PM [ in reply to Re: Bigtime. ]

Are you like an 80 year old getting a forward to your aol account and just taking it to be fact?

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Yeah, since the 90's.


Sep 25, 2017, 2:58 PM

But I'm biased.

Music was better, the mood of the country was better, and the Internet hadn't consumed our lives and stolen our privacy yet.

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Not sure


Sep 25, 2017, 2:58 PM

Race relations are better than they were 20 years ago. There is more potential for women and minorities. There has been some great advances that seem good on the surface. Maybe it would have been better without the internet and 24 hour news, although TNet is great. 24 hour news has divided the country. Also, now two people have to work in most parts of the country. Pensions are gone generally speaking too. I am not sure if it better or worse.

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You cover a lot of my thoughts as well...


Sep 25, 2017, 3:04 PM

I hear a lot about how much more morally and spiritually pure everything was circa 1955. Particularly, in the circles I run with, before Envel v. Vitale. How do you reconcile that with the ubiquitous systematic racial discrimination of that era?

It's such a complicated question, really. Some things are always getting better. Some things seem to get worse every day.

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I'd say about the time social media was invented


Sep 25, 2017, 3:08 PM

was the mortal death blow.

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I remember when I was in college and Facebook


Sep 25, 2017, 3:10 PM

became a thing. I joined. This would be around 2004 or 2005. It was different then...had to have a .edu e-mail, because it was only for college students. There was no "feed," just your page that you write on, or other people write on.

It's honestly hard now for me to remember what it was like to not be so connected with everybody, to not know immediately when things happen.

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Oh, and you did it all on your computer.


Sep 25, 2017, 3:12 PM

I had just gotten a regular cell phone then. Smart phones were not a thing.

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It's not bad, honestly.


Sep 25, 2017, 3:16 PM [ in reply to I remember when I was in college and Facebook ]

I remember in college before cell phones or Facebook (or really, even widespread internet use), and compared to today, it was much better--at least to me. I'm connected as I really want to be, and lately, have even been trimming that back. I have found the less I watch news at all, and the less I carry my cell phone (so work can't track me down with emails and texts), the happier I am.

I don't use Facebook at all (I also had an account but never updated during the same time you did). I saw no use in it. I understand it's changed a lot since then, but unless somehow I am required to sign up for it fr work or something, I never will. T-net is pretty much the only social media I use, and there are probably only 2-3 people here who personally know me.

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It changed, and probably the world changed...


Sep 25, 2017, 3:25 PM

When the "News Feed" became the focal point of Facebook. Before that, it seemed to be more about connecting with friends who you weren't physically with. You'd go to their page to say something to them, or to read what they had to say. After the change, it was all about what was happening with people at that moment, and here we are now, glued to our phone screens.

I'm not sure, maybe Twitter and its "timeline" pre-dated that change. Probably so. But I joined Twitter much later.

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I've alwasy been of the opinion nobody needs to be that


Sep 25, 2017, 3:27 PM

much in touch with anyone all the time.

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my friends get PO'd at me because on many weekends


Sep 25, 2017, 3:31 PM

I put my phone in the charger in my kitchen on Friday night and don't look at it again until Monday morning. I can hear the phone ring if they really need me, but I ain't reading/replying to texts and e-mails.

I just have to unplug to keep my sanity.

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Yep, I remember the good old days when the powers that


Sep 25, 2017, 3:18 PM [ in reply to I'd say about the time social media was invented ]

be actually had to put in some feet-on-the-street hard work to get the lemmings to think they way they wanted them to.

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Yes. But the decline has happened basically since the


Sep 25, 2017, 3:56 PM

mid 1990's. Our zenith was probably in the 1950's or 1960's sometime.

Here's a prime example:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/05/fogbank-america-forgot-how-make-nuclear-bombs/

We forgot how to make nukes that we invented. And with each and every person who expects something from a politician, we decline a little more.

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Re: Do you think America has gone downhill?


Sep 26, 2017, 12:45 PM

The two party system has

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Re: Do you think America has gone downhill?


Sep 26, 2017, 1:13 PM

Money has corrupted the Democratic process, leaving the idea of 'representative government' in serious question. Special Interests carry the day leaving average Americans out of the loop.

Congress has an historical 15% approval rating....and we continue to re-elect incumbents at a 95% rate.

Frustration and disenfranchisement set the stage for someone like Trump to get elected.

If it hadn't been for crooked Democratic party, it could just as easily have been Bernie Sanders.

The far extremes of our country now hold sway.

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America was at it's greatest in the 1990's


Sep 26, 2017, 1:36 PM

The 90's saw the peak of American greatness.

1. We had just won the Cold War and our mixed economy proved to be vastly superior to command and control economies.

2. We had taken a small break from supporting terrorists and dictators (at least relative to before and since)

3. We were much more careful, and less emotional, when it came to our foreign policy than we have been since 2001.

4. We had yet to fully kick Russia when they were down by aggressively expanding NATO instead of looking to dissolve it and create something new... like we should have.

5. We dominated in global sports. (except soccer but who cares)

6. Most of the world actually liked and respected us.

7. Our economy was strong and for a while we had a budget surplus.

8. It was before everyone was addicted to their cell phones.

9. The country was nowhere near as racist, sexist, and homophobic as it was just a generation previously.

10. We were WAY ahead of the rest of the world militarily.

11. Our wars at that time were more justifiable. (Iraq I, Mogadishu, Serbia)

12. Facts still existed and the media wasn't quite as obviously corrupt/biased.

13. The concept of respect had not yet completely disappeared from American society.

taking a break.

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late 70's-early 80's was a pretty strong era too


Sep 26, 2017, 1:55 PM

before sex could give you a fatal AIDS disease, and the universal drinking age was 18. Three-day, outdoor stadium concerts were the norm, Clemson sanctioned beer festivals (like Bengal Ball), and everybody you knew was totin' around a few hits of LSD or cocaine. Crack & meth hadn't been invented yet.

That was a pretty good time to be alive.

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when coke was a cola and a joint was a bad place to be?***


Sep 26, 2017, 4:33 PM



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This


Sep 26, 2017, 9:53 PM [ in reply to America was at it's greatest in the 1990's ]

Is a lot of truth

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Yes. Economically, morally, socially declined.


Sep 26, 2017, 2:28 PM

But not just America. Western Civilization is in decline.

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Nah, things are going pretty well,


Sep 26, 2017, 3:29 PM

So well people have time to be offended raw cotton in a store and offended by folks taking a need during a national anthem when odds are they are sitting on their fat #####.

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No, just a nation of whiners who lay their fat a$$es on


Sep 26, 2017, 5:50 PM

their couches watching cable under the AC.

People have the nerve to talk about revolution here like there is any chance that could happen.

People for the most part have it better than we've ever had it.

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it's like you almost know me***


Sep 26, 2017, 6:20 PM



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And that's not decline?***


Sep 26, 2017, 10:37 PM [ in reply to No, just a nation of whiners who lay their fat a$$es on ]



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Hellyes. Obama mindset did it all


Sep 26, 2017, 7:09 PM

1000% more standing on the corner with cardboard signs
Media angle change
Expectations and Entitilements

There is more..


-Doctor Nikola Tesla

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I've been wrong two times, but this isn't one of them.


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