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DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 12:10 PM
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Watson was 32-2 and Trevor was 34-2.
DJU has as many career losses as Deshaun and Trevor, combined, in less than a season.
I’d feel better if he was showing marked improvement. I just don’t see it.
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 12:20 PM
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The Syracuse squeaker win is his ONLY road win!!!!!! And a good Louisville team anxiously awaits big cinco!
You can’t sugar coat this. DJ doesn’t have it. The coaches have been more than supportive of him but ......
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 12:30 PM
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If we are going to state that DJ "just doesn't have it" then we should probably give up on all scholarship WRs and OL as well because anyone who has gotten a shot this season at those positions doesn't appear to have "it" either.
_____________ has made some really great plays this season and has also had some really terrible plays, that stick out like a sore thumb, that should have been really easy.
Let me know when you find an offensive player on Clemson's team that couldn't insert their name in that blank.
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 12:33 PM
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The quarterback position is about MORE than numbers. A LOT MORE!
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 12:43 PM
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You are very good at avoiding answering any of my questions.
I assume it's because you don't have any answers and you just want to be mad at DJ and say he has ruined the Clemson season.
The fact of that matter is that DJ has publicly been the ultimate teammate because I haven't heard him pass blame for any of the offensive faults onto his teammates and he has had plenty of chances. He always simply refers to what he can do to improve.
He publicly took being benched at Pitt in the best way he could have.
As DJ was getting better with his performance the guys around him got less consistent and let him down in a big way against Syracuse (4) and Pitt (8) with a combined TWELVE drops in 2 games.
You do have conviction in your relentless blaming of DJ that all of the problems lie at his feet and he doesn't have "it".
Do you have personal knowledge that DJ has been different behind closed doors than he has been in public, or do you just not know enough about football to look any further into why Clemson is struggling this season?
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 8:48 PM
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So is it you or DJ that is actually having the baby?
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 7:13 PM
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Not playing by TigersO rules, but top QB's can prevent a lot of mistakes. In the huddle. Drawing offsides. Audibles/adjustments/instructions before the snap. Run/pass. Pitch/keep. Right/left. Looking off safeties. Short/deep. Sidelines/middle of field. It goes on and on.
Not many quality recvrs with bad QB's. Nuk can survive - but most recvrs are non-existent without a solid QB. What I am saying is 2021 recvrs have made mistakes, but it's difficult to assess performance with DJ playing slowly, tipping off plays, and taking the obvious path every play.
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 12:26 PM
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That's because you don't want to see it.
If you actually do want to see it, go back and watch him play UGA and NC State and then watch him play against Pitt and FSU.
If you still don't see any improvement, then I'm not sure what to tell you.
Also of note: Deshaun played with Mike Williams, Artavis Scott, Hunter Renfrow, Jordan Leggett and Dion Cain.
Trevor played with Tee Higgins, healthy Justyn Ross, Hunter Renfrow, Amari Rodgers, and Travis Etienne.
Find me the comparable players to Mike Williams and Tee Higgins on this roster.
Find me the comparable players to Artavis Scott, Amari Rodgers or Hunter Renfrow on this roster.
If you think DJ is the reason for the record and is holding back the passing game by himself, then again you are seeing what you want to see when trying to figure out what is different this season.
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 12:29 PM
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You’re very right. My bad. The Tigers have no talent surrounding DJ.
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 12:32 PM
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I didn't say Clemson is without offensive talent. DJ is part of that talent.
I simply asked you to tell me who compares to that list of skill players that were gamechangers on Clemson's teams that made up those outstanding records for Trevor and Deshaun.
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 12:37 PM
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I rarely saw Trevor or DW throw the ball ten feet over the receivers head! I rarely see DJ throw a ball that in “on the money”. Without question he has had more than his share of dropped balls but he misses on a great number of throws every Saturday!
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 12:51 PM
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How about when Deshaun threw 30 interceptions between his sophomore and junior seasons?
How about when Trevor threw 5 INTs in the first 3 games and 8 INTs in the first 7 games of 2019?
I'm guessing none of those throws were off the mark right?
I'm guessing none of the 8 balls that DJ threw that hit WRs in both hands to be dropped were on the money in the Pitt game right?
All QBs miss throws. Also sometimes DJ is throwing the ball away and ignorant announcers claim he was "off the mark".
Also sometimes WRs run the wrong route on a timing route and DJ throw the ball and the WR runs the wrong way out of the break. I've heard announcers say DJ made bad throws on those balls this season too.
Everyone, you included, is choosing to see what they want to see with DJ instead of actually paying attention to what he is doing now.
DJ was absolutely terrible for 4 games this season. Since then he has made steady improvement and his last 2 games were his best of the season. Unfortunately one of those was a loss because his teammates couldn't make the routine play around him.
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 7:15 PM
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How many times did Renfrow hurt himself catching inaccurate passes from DW4 and TL16? I remember a broken hand diving for a catch in the end zone against Auburn and a concussion diving for one on the visiting team sideline in DV (don’t remember who we were playing) and countless times he somehow changed direction in mid-air to catch the errant throws. Both of those QBs routinely threw passes that Amari and Renfrow had to go to the ground to catch. But all some of y’all see is stats.
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 7:56 PM
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You say watch him play? Can you expand on that? What are we watching? His feet still planted in the ground with no movement on most passing plays? His consistent staring down of receivers? The late throws on routes? The three amazing passes he makes each game?
The facts would actually show that he has made no marked improvement. QBR is by far (while not perfect) the best indicator of a QB’s success. I could go deeper into scoring or passing defense for each team and how that would impact play, but thankfully QBR takes that into account.
UGA - 41.3
GT - 38.4
NC State - 39.9
BC - 27.9
Syracuse - 43.31
Pitt - 34.4
FSU - 38.7
If you want SC State 51.1
Season QBR 38.6 good for 108 in the country.
I don’t think Taisun should start. I trust if he was better Dabo would play him like he did Trevor. But you are not facing the facts. Facts are he hasn’t made marked improvement. He maybe slightly better than he was at the beginning of the season but that’s it and at the end of the day the QB is the engine of the offense. So he should shoulder the majority of the blame (outside of the coaches) and I’m glad he owns it. That doesn’t change the fact that he isn’t showing strides of improvement. I’ll give you baby steps, but that doesn’t cut it at this level.
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 12:33 PM
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Hum,5-3 .Technically he wasn't the starter last year. He was # 2 on the depth chart and was called on to fill in when needed.
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 12:42 PM
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Don’t disagree that you could insert names and most, if not all, names would fit that have had moments of good plays and moments of bad.
The differences with DJU are that the position expectations are higher, his ratio of bad to good is likely at top end of the individual analysis, and he is only one coaches refuse to try other options when he has his bad sequences. Others are in and out and moved around if they aren’t performing.
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 12:59 PM
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The idea of subbing at other positions meaning players have been punished for poor play is nonsense.
Every position on the field substitutes when QB doesn't. Nobody has lost a spot on the depth chart to this point do to their inconsistent play this season.
Your guess is that DJ has a higher percentage of bad plays than those around him.
I would assess that his percentage of bad plays is the lowest of the skill players because he gets a chance to make mistakes every play of the entire game because he touches the ball every play. If he was messing up more than he was getting it right Clemson would never score a point.
Why are DJ's expectations higher than everyone else's?
I agree you are right, but why is that the case?
Guys have been excused by fans and announcers for dropping balls, missing blocks, running the wrong routes, and more, but DJ gets critiqued for every noticeable mistake that he makes and sometimes is critiqued when the mistake isn't even his.
DJ is defended the most by coaches because he is wrongfully accused of making the mistakes by everyone outside of the program.
Remember when coaches used to make a point to defend Tanner Muse on a weekly basis because every time there was a blown coverage, fans and announcers were blaming Muse no matter what his assignment was.
Coaching are going to defend any player that is wrongfully blamed for things.
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He had a couple of nice throwz***
Nov 2, 2021, 12:48 PM
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 12:52 PM
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One observation I have seen is the long windup DJU has in his throws. DBs have time to react and with him staring down his receiver, they have a shot at an INT... assuming his throw is close to the target.
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 12:55 PM
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Watson was 32-2 and Trevor was 34-2.
DJU has as many career losses as Deshaun and Trevor, combined, in less than a season.
I’d feel better if he was showing marked improvement. I just don’t see it.
He holds the ball way too long.
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DJ has been sub par, however............
Nov 2, 2021, 12:56 PM
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so has:
-the Oline (for years now)
-the WRs
-the playcalling
-injuries
-roster & scholarship management
-adjustments/adaptability of our coaches/program
-uncharacteristic penalties
LOTS of blame to go around
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 1:29 PM
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With a championship caliber defense on top. Dude is literally asked to get at least 20 ppg and thats a struggle in a half. Especially when he gives the other team a free 7 half the time. At some point he has to get out of that robotic phase he's in and learn how to read defenses, check off receivers, improvise when something isn't there. But most that stuff you either have or you don't and it's starting to look pretty clear.
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 1:32 PM
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The reason you don’t see it is because he’s a complete train wreck with zero situational awareness.
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 2:58 PM
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DJ IS getting better. Regardless, he is the best we have- not even close. The coaches know what is what. That's what weekly practice is for. This is a tough year in more ways than one. If we DO NOT have any more major injuries, we should have a good finish. NOW is when the program needs support when times are challenging. There is a reason for the term: " Fair weather fans". We should not be labeled with that IF we have any connection with Clemson.
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You figure all this out on your own?***
Nov 2, 2021, 3:09 PM
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 7:46 PM
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DJ is almost last in all of CFB in most stats. How are people defending his play?
Everyone does not win a trophy.
Sure, other positions have been bad, too.
Maybe they aren’t responding well to his leadership?
Maybe some of the other skill players are disgruntled due to NIL?
My guess is all of the above, and deep down, everyone knows it.
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Nobody suspects you’re a coot***
Nov 2, 2021, 9:06 PM
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Re: DJU has a career 6-4 record as a starter
Nov 2, 2021, 7:48 PM
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He has good hair though.
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