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Did Cincinnati kill the group of 5 chances going forward
Jan 1, 2022, 3:59 PM
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Or how bad did they hurt those chances going forward.
Cincy beat ND, nice win but they had no shot against Bama. Now, that’s true for 90% of college football, not just programs like Cincy.
I’m wondering how this changes any narratives moving forward ??? An undefeated team was just beaten very handily, score could have been much worse but there is another game to play. Then again Alabama crushed Michigan State 38-0… Clemson demolished OSU 31-0… Clemson dominated ND 30-3
I don’t know, part of me says Cincy deserved it and good for them. Another says we’ll maybe another team is more competitive. Each year is its own entity, never know what might happen.
Alabama did not crush everyone, actually with a simple falling down in bounds by a certain running back, Alabama isn’t even in playoff as a 2 loss team. However, he did go out of bounds stopping the clock and saved 40 seconds of time so here we are. It’s almost comical but I guess it’s how things were meant to be ???????
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Re: Did Cincinnati kill the group of 5 chances going forward
Jan 1, 2022, 4:04 PM
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Bucknuts beat us by 21 last year in the semi's - do we not belong. Stupid question. Best 4 teams were in the playoffs.
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Re: Did Cincinnati kill the group of 5 chances going forward
Jan 1, 2022, 4:25 PM
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Thanks for your opinion ??. So you think Cincy plays same level of competition week in and week out as Power 5 programs ??
Alabama wins by 40+ if that was championship game, Not going to take any chances knowing they have another game next week.
I stated that Cincy “deserved the shot” based on record and beating ND which has better athletes overall. But it happens to a lot of teams, Clemson has blown out people and was blown out last year.
The committee does their best and I think each year they’ve done well. No real arguments from any of the top 4.
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Re: Did Cincinnati kill the group of 5 chances going forward
Jan 2, 2022, 12:31 PM
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I think they proved they deserved the chance. Sure I think Ohio St would beat them but Cincy didn't disappoint imo. They looked way better then Michigan.
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Re: Did Cincinnati kill the group of 5 chances going forward
Jan 1, 2022, 4:04 PM
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No because the people on the committee are smart and they know Alabama was ranked #1 for a reason.
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Re: Did Cincinnati kill the group of 5 chances going forward
Jan 1, 2022, 4:30 PM
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Thanks for your thoughts ??
Too bad only a 8-4 Texas A&M team beat Alabama and Allburn had RB with brain fart and run out of bounds or Bama would be watching the playoffs too.
I can imagine how that loss might actually devastate Allburn for years to come. Knowing you were literally 1 simple play away from keeping Bama out of playoffs. Fall down, in bounds lol rggghhh
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No more than Michigan killed the bigflubs chances.....
Jan 1, 2022, 4:09 PM
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Re: Did Cincinnati kill the group of 5 chances going forward
Jan 1, 2022, 4:09 PM
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It still comes down to their OOC schedule. Would having the #5 team Notre Dame take their place make any sense?
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Re: Did Cincinnati kill the group of 5 chances going forward
Jan 2, 2022, 1:10 PM
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No.
The group of 5 chances were not killed.
I personally think they need a group of 5 National Champion!
P5 top 4 would be settled by who wins their conference! Because there are 5; the lowest-ranked of the conference champions "is out"!
But, HRT, "what if two champions were down in the rankings and a 2nd place team from other conference was ranked higher(eye test)? Then you look at OOC conference schedule and conference schedule and how good that team looked in winning! Was it a struggle to win all those games? Were they all nail-biters against lesser competition?
Bowl games remain intact! Winning your conference means more! Scheduling that team that might knock you out of consideration in the regular season would be more important. In other words, you would have to beef up OOC schedule.
Top 4 group of 5 teams go to 2 bowl games (Peach and Sun or whatever else). They are likely conference champions as well.
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If Cincy was deserving, then who was? Notre Dame? Oh...Cincy
Jan 1, 2022, 4:10 PM
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already beat them! I believe every other team in the top ten had two losses! And actually, Cincy played better against Bama than Mich did against UGA!
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Re: Did Cincinnati kill the group of 5 chances going forward
Jan 1, 2022, 4:15 PM
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I think it's unfortunate that a G5 team really has to be outstanding 2 YEARS IN A ROW before they get to play with the big boys.
Boise St years ago, UCF earlier this decade, now Cincinnati. By the time they get accepted onto the big stage, their window could actually be closing.
And when they do, they are matched up against #1? That's a recipe for humiliation, like when the NCAA first expanded the Big Dance.
I understand why the G5 want to be part of the CFP, and why the P5 let them in. I like to see how they match up,, and I root for them. But they don't deserve to be there. (But this year, who else did??) The CFP is for the P5, not everyone. No G5 team has ever been good enough to win a series of playoff games against top teams.
There is more of a chance that a 2- or 3- loss P5 team could win the CFP (if they are invited, of course) than an undefeated G5 team.
Kinda like when the Big Dance expanded, and a 7-loss UNC team won, or a 6-loss Marquette that didn't win their conference.
JMO.
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Re: Did Cincinnati kill the group of 5 chances going forward
Jan 1, 2022, 4:27 PM
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Thanks for your opinion, well said ??
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Re: Did Cincinnati kill the group of 5 chances going forward
Jan 1, 2024, 9:08 PM
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No more than
Clemson beating Ohio State 31-0
Alabama beating Michigan State 38-0
UGa beating Michigan 34-11
did to eliminate the Big Ten.
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I don't think Cincy got in on its own merit.
Jan 1, 2022, 4:41 PM
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Most of the other top teams literally sucked. I doubt either ND, OSU, Clemson, or anyone else could have done much better than did Cincinnati.
It's just as it has been since the PO started. If four P5 teams with one loss look good then they will be seeded.
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Re: Did Cincinnati kill the group of 5 chances going forward
Jan 1, 2022, 4:20 PM
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College football Committe rankings do not operate in a vacuum, and like it or not are influenced by reputations. While they likely did not “kill” group of 5 chances, they may have diminished them some. The committee and rankings will certainly be influenced some by Cincy last night. I think it is less likely an undefeated Cincy will beat out a 1 loss conference champ from the big boy conferences now. I think even more stars will have to align now.
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Re: Did Cincinnati kill the group of 5 chances going forward
Jan 1, 2022, 4:39 PM
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Agree 100%
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Maybe but I don't think so.
Nov 29, 2021, 8:50 PM
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Cincy was the only real choice due to others having multiple losses. Had OSU or Clemson only one loss Cincy would have been ignored. Imo, that will continue.
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Re: Maybe but I don't think so.
Jan 1, 2022, 4:41 PM
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Very true, they had great year while others had multiple losses.
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Re: Did Cincinnati kill the group of 5 chances going forward
Jan 1, 2022, 4:57 PM
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Smart and fair series of posts DK! IMHO the playoffs will shift to 6-8 teams in a few years. Then the UC's of the world, who play well against lighter schedules outside the major conferences, will be given the opportunity to go on the road to play a favored team from a major conference.
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This narrative is TOTAL BULLSH#T. Please explain how they
Jan 1, 2022, 5:18 PM
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could have killed the Group of 5 chances going forward.
Because if getting thrashed in the playoff ruins a team's or a conference's chances going forward, you do realize, don't you, that we would have no teams, no conferences left to play in future playoffs? Alabama would be banned, because we, Clemson beat the snot out of them a few years ago; way WAY worse than Alabama just beat Cincy. Why didn't anybody suggest that Alabama, or SEC teams should not be considered for anymore CFPs? We Thrashed Ohio State, Michigan just got stomped yesterday, but nobody is talking about how the Big 10 doesn't belong in the CFP. Oklahoma has been blown out. Heck, Clemson has been beat down pretty good in the CFP, should we be removed from future consideration? Beat downs have been commonplace in the CFP.
Come on man. Using Alabama's victory over Cincy, or any single game as some kind of evidence that Cincy or P5 teams don't belong is about the most ignorant joke of an argument I've ever heard. Stop it already.
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Re: This narrative is TOTAL BULLSH#T. Please explain how they
Jan 1, 2022, 5:55 PM
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Well, because the G5 schools do not have the same level of athlete as the top programs in the Power5.
I didn’t say they didn’t “deserve” their shot, they earned it by beating their schedule.
But do you honestly believe the athletes at G5 schools are the same as the top shelf Power 5 programs ???
That’s my only complaint. Cincy had such a small chance to win that game last night that Alabama had all but suffocated them by the 2nd quarter. The line of scrimmage was domination ?????
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You're working off of a false premise.
Jan 1, 2022, 8:33 PM
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First, I'll answer your question, "But do you honestly believe the athletes at G5 schools are the same as the top shelf Power 5 programs ???
It doesn't matter. It has zero to do with whether or not Cincy should go to the CFP. First, Cincy is not "G5 teams", their roster may not be representative of the typical talent level of G5 teams. The question should be, and was, does Cincy have the athletes to compete with top shelf P5 programs? And the answer to that was obviously yes, as they beat #5 Notre Dame earlier.
So the premise that they don't have the athletes to compete against top P5 teams is flat out false, and they had about as good of a chance as everybody else against Alabama.
Personally, I think trying to get the "best" teams in the playoff in order to find the single "best" team as champion is misguided, and is like a dog chasing it's tail. That's because "best" is entirely, 100% subjective, at least for more than one game. The real purpose of a playoff should be to crown a champion, and that championship should be earned entirely on the field through a playoff process, irrespective of who critics and voters think is deserving, starting with winning a conference championship, then progressively winning playoff games until a champion if crowned. Then, if fans and critics want to argue whether or not the champion is "the best", that's fine, but they'd still be THE CHAMPIONS, just like in baseball and basketball, and that's what should count.
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Re: This narrative is TOTAL BULLSH#T. Please explain how they
Jan 1, 2022, 6:00 PM
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Why salty at me anyway ?? I simply posed the argument for people to begin conversation on the why/why not ?????
I will say this though, the Alabama/Clemson/OSU/Oklahoma or any other undefeated Power 5 program teams of the Power 5 will win 90%+ of the games against the very best G5 program. Boise State is an anomaly and likely the last time it happens
Sorry to have struck a vein
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If you are arguing that in general, most of the time, most
Jan 1, 2022, 8:50 PM
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top shelf G5 teams won't beat most top shelf P5 teams, then I would agree.
I think that would be a terrible reason for keeping Cincy out this year. I don't like the subjectivity involved in all of this anyway, I think that's the whole problem.
I was salty because I thought you were arguing that Cincy getting beat handily was evidence that they or G5 schools don't belong, which I have demonstrated is an ignorant argument, and I'm salty about it because it's so obviously stupid yet it is advanced over and over. Sorry, nothing personal against you.
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Re: If you are arguing that in general, most of the time, most
Jan 1, 2022, 9:42 PM
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No problem, I can appreciate your passion. Cincy had a great year and deserve praise and their CFP position.
I wanted them to win honestly, but I’m sure everyone outside of Bama fans felt that way lol.
Going forward I do have concerns that the UCF/Cincy and other possible strong G5 teams were negatively impacted by the outcome. Not saying it’s “right”, just think it will impact the committee. Whether that’s fair or not is not, well I am not so sure ?????
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In my dream world, where all is fair and just, what I would
Jan 2, 2022, 12:15 PM
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like to see is a legitimate playoff consisting of ONLY conference champions. Don't win your conference? You don't make the playoff - too bad. Shut up and suck it up. Do better next time. This business of having UGA vs Alabama, two teams from the same conference in the National Championship game, two teams which just played a few weeks ago, is a disgrace; it's a sellout, and it's terrible for college football. It's ONLY good for the SEC, and it's at the expense of every other team, school, conference, and fanbase in college football. Some will argue that we got the "two best teams", so therefore it worked. BS - the goal should not be to have the two best teams - TOTAL BS - the goal should be to crown a CHAMPION, determined on the field, throght the process of a legitimat playoff. "The Best" is always 100% subjective, while The Champion determined in such a manner is always 100% objective. If we were going to just go with "the best two teams", why did we even have a CFP? Why didn't we immediately just name "the two best teams" and let UGA and Michigan play? See the problem there? Michigan was obviously not one of the two best teams, but only a few weeks ago, the best minds in the business thought they were. That's the glaring flaw with thinking we can determine the "best" team, or the "best" 2, or the "best" 8, or the "best" 12, or so on. WE CAN'T. PERIOD. It's all opinion, all guess work, and we get it wrong all of the time. That's why we need to totally abandon the idea of determining the "best" team, and readjust our thinking, and resolve instead to crowning a champion. Earned on the field. Rewarding winning and accomplishing goals, not having the biggest media contracts or most profitable conference affiliation or biggest football budgets.
I believe my idea would eventually require conference realignments and rebalancing, as right now all of these teams are loading up in the SEC for the $$$, as they can see that the SEC is moving to dominate and dictate college football for the forseeable future. My idea would destroy all of that, restore fairness and integrity, and level the playing field in the blink of an eye. Realign all conferences, perhaps creating new ones, with geography being a major consideration. You know, common sense. Yes, some conferences would naturally be stronger than others, but they already are. That's life, that's not unfair; each conference only gets one team in the playoff. College football is a mess right now. Major changes are needed. My fix is based on common sense and fairness, and I realize that therefore, it's a fantasy.
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Now I will explain “why” it was a waste of time having Cincy included in CFP
Jan 1, 2022, 6:16 PM
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They simply lack the talent at the most significant positions : offense/defense lines of scrimmage
Why even have what’s called the “Group of 5” IF they are at same talent levels as the “Power 5” ????
Can you tell me why they separate it into different categories
Why separate it to make the Group of 5 “less significant” because that’s exactly what everyone thinks. They aren’t a Power 5 school, why are they even involved in a playoff. This is the arguments whether you like it or not.
Also, do you honestly believe Clemson was 4 TD’s better than Alabama ??? That Alabama team was considered the best ever going into that game and it would have been a 51-16 if not for Clemson running the last 10 minutes off the clock and getting to the 5 yard line, didn’t score the last 20 minutes of the game.
My point is the games MIGHT be blowouts, at least the competition is more of a leveled playing field. How can you even argue against that, I gotta hear it
Ohio State was blown out, but are still a superior team to the best G5 program in history, and it’s not even close. Boise State was simply overlooked and an afterthought to Oklahoma…. Which served as a perfect example of why it is likely to never happen again at the Championship level
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Re: Did Cincinnati kill the group of 5 chances going forward
Jan 1, 2022, 6:04 PM
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No but both games just again showed me again no reason to expand. Ohno st,nope,osu nope, nd,nope.
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Re: Did Cincinnati kill the group of 5 chances going forward
Jan 1, 2022, 6:05 PM
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Not really, but maybe just a slightly due to reality , but it's a business and they want to find ways to keep everyone involved. They want variation, so they will force the issue and try to make sure there is some variation whenever they can.
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Re: Did Cincinnati kill the group of 5 chances going forward
Jan 1, 2022, 8:40 PM
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An undefeated group of five will still be the choice if no power 5 makes a compelling case for the 4 spot.
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Did Michigan hurt the Big Tens chances going forward?
Jan 2, 2022, 12:24 PM
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Cincy at least stayed within striking distance of Bama until late. Michigan was done before half.
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Re: Did Cincinnati kill the group of 5 chances going forward
Jan 2, 2022, 9:09 PM
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They did better than Michigan.
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