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Deshaun will settle fairly soon. Read this

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 10:10 AM
 

Folks, it is very unlikely these cases will go to trial. They almost never do.

The plaintiffs lawyer has done a good job of drawing this out and maximizing damage to Deshaun's reputation. He's made it clear the bloodletting will continue until settlement negotiations begin.


When Buzbee starts going silent, that will indicate discussions have commenced. After a short period of time, the announcement will be made about a confidential agreement for all parties to "move forward" where Deshaun (probably) admits no guilt.

Coming sooner than you think because time is most certainly not on his side.

Pretty sure Buzbee has already given Rusty Hardin a starting point. Hardin is one of the most famous defense attorneys in Texas history (definitely #1 for Houston) and has been around the block many times with high-profile clients down here. After due diligence determines he can't win, they will negotiate a final number.

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I don't know...

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 10:15 AM
 

I read an article yesterday that the defense has compelling evidence supporting that some of the accusers are clearly lying.

If that is, in fact, the case, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 10:22 AM
 



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Re: I don't know...

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 10:25 AM
 

I agree. Countersue if innocent and if it is legal. He probably would not get any money from a massager but it would certainly help to clear his name.

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Liable, slander, and defamation are all crimes...

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 10:50 AM
 

punishable by fines and jail time and frankly, the plaintiffs attorney is just as guilty.

If their false accusations end-up damaging his public perception and costing him money in the way of endorsements, they may not be able to pay but I would still sue them and either hold the unsatisfied judgment or force them in to file bankruptcy.

You can't throw a bunch of $#!7 against the wall just to see if any of it sticks and then walk away scot free.

Of course, if he is guilty, even in only a few of the instances, he should likewise be held accountable for that.

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Re: Liable, slander, and defamation are all crimes...

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Posted: Mar 25, 2021, 12:18 AM
 

This is all kinds of wrong. First, in most decent states, libel (not liable), slander, and defamation are torts, not crimes (you know, since those laws are considered unconstitutional by virtually all legal experts). That includes Texas (except they criminalize defaming a bank for some reason). So that wouldn't work. As far as the tort, the Supreme Court has held that when its a public figure (which Watson would fall under), the person suing has to show actual malice, which is that the person knew it was false and used it for the express purpose of damaging the public figure. So Watson would have to prove that Buzbee knew that every single one of these women was lying and knew that Watson never made any sexual remarks to these women. This is why public figures basically never win these cases.

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Posted: Mar 25, 2021, 7:45 AM
 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/24/opinions/sidney-powell-defense-big-lie-opinion-rodgers/index.html


https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-rudy-giuliani-sidney-powell-election-fraud


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Could get free massages instead of money


Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 7:55 PM
 

Too soon ??

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Re: Deshaun will settle fairly soon. Read this

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 10:32 AM
 

I agree ...... basically legal blackmail. It happened to an attorney friend of mine with a couple of gals who were strictly out for a big payday. They were all doing something that was unlawful and when they got caught the girls basically claimed to be victims and sued. It was settled out of court abd each gal came out pretty well.

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Re: Deshaun will settle fairly soon. Read this

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 11:01 AM
 

Maybe your attorney friend should have considered whether he should be doing something unlawful when out with strange women.

For starters, anyone who has ever watched true crime TV knows if a man and a woman are caught committing a crime, while men will often confess, women will always, and I do mean always, blame the man, profess innocence, say she was victimized and made to participate, etc. Your friend just paid to learn the lesson.

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Rse you’re exactly right! I grew up with three sisters


Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 12:40 PM
 

and if we’re tossing the baseball around on a weekend afternoon and a bad throw resulted in a broken window it was NEVER their fault in their eyes or my parents. Somehow I should’ve made a superhuman leap from across the yard to catch the horrible throw and keep it from hitting the window.
After all it was MY fault they were playing catch with me in the first place. On a much smaller level even then I learned no matter what the girls said even when one would defend me in the court of public perception ( in this case my mom and dad) the male was in the wrong.
Had to babysit, do chores and mow lawns until I saved enough to pay my dad back for the broken window. We still threw the ball around on occasion but only if my dad was out there with us. This time he would have to take the blame. That made sense to my 12 year old mind but in reality that never would’ve happened!!!

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It works too. See Benedict Arnold‘s wife


Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 7:42 PM
 

He had already made his escape and Washington and Hamilton accosted her at her house. She said she was a victim and duped two of our founding fathers into letting her go. She was right in the middle of all of it.

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 7:47 PM
 

that orchestrated the whole thing. her and john andre. They preyed on Arnold's weakness, which was his pride.

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 12:01 PM
 

Then the Texans will come in and support their beloved Watson and everything will go away and he will be forced to renegotiate his contact and have to stay with the Texans.... I smell a rat!!

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Yeah even if Deshaun is spot free clear, timing here is everything.


Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 10:43 AM
 

No one is going to want to pick him up on a trade with unsettled legal issues and this could drag on for years conceivably. So even if he is 100% clear his best bet may be to settle and move on.

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Im sure That is bigsbee is counting on.

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 12:09 PM
 

I hope watson is willing to spend 2 mil fighting this rather than 1 million settling.

I'm sure the bean counters are making this about money and not right or wrong.

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It seems like the story is fairly straightforward now

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 11:10 AM
 

Deshaun clearly has a thing for massages and has been having them regularly from female masseuses for at least a couple of years now.

Seems like he pushes a little to see how far he can go with them as far as “beyond regular massage” territory and some are more comfortable than others and allow a bit more, while some are more careful.

Maybe a handful of them felt he went a bit too far and were truly upset by it (I think it is clear though that Watson definitely stops once he realizes they are not comfortable).

And now what Buzbee is doing, is collecting every woman who has ever given him a massage before and having them jump on the lawsuit train and claim assault, even the ones who were fine with it and with who Watson thought it was consensual.

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"a handful of them"

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 11:15 AM
 

well played sir

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Re: It seems like the story is fairly straightforward now

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 11:22 AM
 

You blew right past "he pushes a little to see how far he can go with them" as if that isn't at the heart of the issue.

So you're okay with him "pushing" for something "beyond a regular massage," provided he stops once he sees they are uncomfortable? To be clear, he can solicit masseuses for sexual services provided he doesn't force them? Does this apply only to masseuses? What about restaurant servers? Can he offer them a bigger tip (pardon the pun) for "extra," provided he doesn't force them? Bank tellers, lady at the cable office, toll booth?

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these weren't exactly your local massage envy employees

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 11:32 AM
 

i mean, we are talking about internet who-ahs

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 11:36 AM
 



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Posted: Mar 25, 2021, 2:00 PM
 



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Posted: Mar 25, 2021, 7:54 AM
 

Of Victim blamers in their natural habitat, the internet.

1) if they were “who-ars” would they expose their own crimes to law enforcement via these lawsuits ? Oh I know , the lawsuits are their retirement plans?

How well do any of us know the accusers or Deahaun beyond what we get from the news ...

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Posted: Mar 25, 2021, 2:23 PM
 

They would be pretty safe and would really be at no risk. Deshaun is stuck between a rock and
a hard place. He can't say he was getting these type of girls. Moreover, go look at the chicks on Instagram offering massages. There are a lot that are basically just hookers.

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Re: It seems like the story is fairly straightforward now

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 11:39 AM
 

I think you misspelled prostitutes.

Sure. . . these are just masseuses who fly across the country to give a "massage." Nothing to see here.

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Re: It seems like the story is fairly straightforward now

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 12:07 PM
 

I see it pretty much exactly as you do. Just out of curiosity a few years ago I visited one of those message boards for guys who discuss massage parlors. They discuss which ones offer "additional services" rate the women, pricing, etc...

One suggestion when going to one of those places was to strip all the way down whenever they give you a moment and tell you to undress to your comfort and lay on the table. The reason for this is it would put the woman at ease that you aren't a cop, and is a way of letting them know what you want without coming out and discussing the illegal action straight up.

From there a standard massage would be done for a bit, before the part where the guy is turned from his stomach to his back which was when things would begin.

This makes sense to me for the ones who said Watson was nude whenever they first came in. I'd also say it's very possible that if he were finding these women from social media, and many of them were perfectly willing to be paid for whatever that it would be easy to assume that anyone you contacted in a similar way would also be down for the same stuff, and in some cases maybe they weren't?

I could also see where it would be easy for misunderstandings to occur from there. Maybe one woman is willing to do full service for the right price, maybe others are only willing to do oral, and others only willing to do hand stuff. Maybe one woman isn't willing to do any sexual acts, but is willing to give you the massage while she's topless. Maybe one woman is ok with you touching her as long as her clothes are still on, while another is willing for you to touch her breasts, but not ok with you touching her below the waist.

My point is even those who are willing to get paid for certain things may only be willing to do so for certain acts, which would create a very easy means of misunderstanding, and would at least encourage the guy in that situation to ask for more.

I'd say though that if you're willing to take money for any of that though that you most certainly shouldn't feel offended when the guy ends up asking for more, just as long as he takes no for an answer.

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Posted: Mar 25, 2021, 8:04 AM
 

“Just out of curiosity a few years ago I visited one of those message boards for guys who discuss massage parlors”

Riiiiiiight ??

Excellent research

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Posted: Mar 25, 2021, 3:05 PM
 

Good point .... we don’t know how many non-accusers there are ... People who would consent to that type of transaction / relationship....

I think this is going to be a bombshell for a lot of people : when the truth comes out .... not about the women ...

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Re: Deshaun will settle fairly soon. Read this

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 11:43 AM
 

MoCity I tend to agree with your assessment, great post.

The evidence of proof is much less in a civil case than a criminal case. Either way, DW4's only solution here is to settle whether he is guilty or not. That may not be the right thing to do but it will be the best thing to do. Personally, I believe he is guilty of associating with the wrong ladies and obviously hiring masseuses' under the veil of prostitutes for hire. Let's face it, these were prostitutes. They knew what they were getting into and DW4 knew what he was getting into. He took a risk and it didn't work out. I think it would be compelling to subpoena phone records and see how many of the 22 girls had contact with each other to get their stories straight before the lawsuits were made public. Did DW4 assault these women, I doubt it and none of it was forced. Did he hire them for some therapy and a few extras, probably so. Does this make him a bad person, no it does not. Sex is part of life, legal sex, sex for hire, dirty sex or whatever, this is part of life. Every man on earth has probably had sex or thought of having sex with someone they didn't love or even know, difference is not every man was willing to pay a stranger for it. DW4 is still oaky in my book, poor judgment, poor decision but he is human and has done nothing more than a lot of us have thought about doing or have done. Whether you pay straight up for sex or you take a lady you barely know out for dinner and drinks with the expectation of sex, it amounts to the same. He is a young man full of testosterone who wanted to have some fun and didn't realize how conniving these women would become.

He is not a criminal, a rapist, or a women abuser. He is a young man who wanted to get laid with some good looking women and thought this would be the easiest way to get these women to satisfy him with actually going into public and finding them on the street. People need to understand, he has not been charged with a crime. He is simply being tried by the moral hypocrites that occupy this earth, a sleazy lawyer and some $lutty women. Nothing more. This will go away in quiet, DW4 will be traded this summer and this will tarnish his squeaky clean image, but he will recover eventually.

He will pay these ladies off in an undisclosed settlement because, ultimately, this will be cheaper than litigation and losing his career. As a former Cop, I personally believe prostitution should be legal and regulated. If a women wants to make money having sex, so be it. If a man is willing to pay for sex, so be it.

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Re: Deshaun will settle fairly soon. Read this

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 11:52 AM
 

Yes. Liable or Not Liable. This is how it will end. Advisors will advise DW to do what it takes to make it go away. Checks will be written, lawyers will take their cut, and it will all go away. Don't be surprised if it just..... disappears...

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 12:10 PM
 

I do have a legal question. Let's say that he did pay some of these women for sexual services. If he were to use that as a defense, would he be able to be charged with prostitution? I know prostitution is illegal, but do they have to catch you in the act in order to charge you, or can they charge you with it if you were to admit to it in a statement?

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My take


Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 12:14 PM
 

The most likely situation is that Deshaun had sex with 12-14 different women over the past year. And once this lawsuit got started, they all called in for a piece of the action. You have 1 of these and it's your word against someone else's word. But 14? I don't even think any of them are alleging there was a crime. It's blackmail... You pay us or we'll say bad things about you.

Best case scenario is that Deshaun is cleared of any wrong doing... but comes across in the media as some sort of sexual deviant who bagged a lot of women, all while maintaining this public image of a respectful guy with a loving live-in girlfriend.

Worst case is that this thing drags out and hurts Deshaun's image and contract negotiating position.

Likely scenario: Deshaun settles. Women go away. Things kinda get back to normal for him.

I'm hoping he fights this to the end. And I hope that if these women are lying, that they get investigated and put on trial for crimes against humanity (OK, maybe libel).

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 12:31 PM
 

...some seem to forget he was banging at least one #### star, probably more. Mia Khalifa was his side chick for a while. Not the most moral and upfront lady to bring into your pad. Let's stop pretending he is some saint with angel wings. He is a 25 year old man that is horny. Just face the facts. Not saying he is a criminal or a rapist but lets not make it out like he is a choir boy. He is also not the devil either. He is just a guy that wants sex. No different then most of us, but we don't have the financial means to get the Mia's of the World.

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Posted: Mar 24, 2021, 7:01 PM
 

1 He would only countersue to gain leverage in the negotiated settlement. There is no way this goes to trial. If a bunch of women get on the stand and give graphic testimony, Deshaun is a cooked goose.

2 If Hardin has evidence some of the accusers are lying, he is going to threaten to sue the daylights out of them and try to discredit all of them with a broad stroke. However, the real result is he will gain leverage in negotiations. Keep in mind, following through on a countersuit will just continue drawing unwanted attention to Deshaun.

3 Nobody knows how much Buzbee is holding back. Some here in Houston believe he has texts or recordings that will drive a stake in Deshaun. However, Buzbee's ultimate goal is negotiations. It's possible he gives Hardin a chance to meet his price before giving criminal evidence to police (if he actually has any). I believe Buzbee is a scuzbag but I doubt he wants Deshaun prosecuted if he can get enough money.

4 None of the women will be charged with prostitution, guilty or not guilty. Forget it.

5 To clarify the opening post, a settlement doesn't mean each and every accuser gets paid the same amount (or even that all of them get paid).

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This article is concerning


Posted: Mar 25, 2021, 6:43 AM
 

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-lawsuit-that-is-most-problematic-for-deshaun-watson-014827728.html?guccounter=1

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Re: Deshaun will settle fairly soon. Read this


Posted: Mar 25, 2021, 10:49 AM
 

Ugly and uglier, unfortunately.

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Posted: Mar 25, 2021, 6:38 PM
 

crawdad64 said:

Ugly and uglier, unfortunately.


All this talk about a quick settlement has me quite confused. Posters keep acknowledging that sex with some of these 22 women has likely occurred in exchange for money. Perhaps something else happened as some alleged, perhaps not. So at the very least there are potential criminal charges regarding solicitation for prostitution. With this and the claims of feeling forced or intimidated how is it possible the HPD has not announced an investigation? If such an investigation were to take place is it possible that other women would be uncovered through phone and social media account searches? Don't get it. Can't see how this gets swept under the rug with the national media already exposed to some information but I won't underestimate the political clout that the team owner might have with the mayor or other important political figures. Perhaps the HPD is carefully gathering information before they announce their intentions but the average Joe Blow would would have already been pulled in and questioned.

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Hold on a sec


Posted: Mar 25, 2021, 11:20 PM
 

As you can imagine, there is a LOT of information to gather and interviews to undertake considering the number of accusers. Plus, the fact Deshaun is a well-known and liked local celebrity means HPD will be extra deliberate and careful. There is no hurry. High profile investigations always take time and Deshaun certainly isn't a flight risk.

But here is the real reason: As of today,HPD still hasn't received anything from Buzbee. Buzbee's goal is to extract money (which he gets 1/3 of).

Regarding things being swept under the rug: Rusty Hardin won't agree to a settlement unless accusers agree to not cooperate with police. If all HPD does is charge Deshaun with solicitation, nobody will give a care and the sensational story dies. Hardin and Deshaun would take this outcome in a heartbeat.

As far as HPD uncovering other women, do you really think they'll turn up more accusers than Tony Buzbee? These women don't give a care about criminal prosecution, they want MONEY. Buzbee might get that for them. HPD cannot.

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Re: Hold on a sec


Posted: Mar 26, 2021, 10:55 AM
 

No, I doubt that an HPD investigation will turn up more accusers than the lawyer. What they most likely would turn up are additional women that were paid for sexual services and then went about their business. My guess is there are more women that were paid and don't care to expose their business than the few money grabbers. In this case, I think they would have to be given immunity to even get a statement from them. In the end, it would simply would add to the number of solicitation for prostitution cases which would then have to be acknowledged by the NFL as they determine the level of any suspension which may follow. If HPD gets involved this total number might shock some people and simply add to DW's problems.

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