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Oculus Spirit [83001]
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Looking on the bright side, maybe making abortion illegal in
May 3, 2022, 8:54 AM
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some states will cause some women to get their shlt together as far as being smarter about when they can and can't get pregnant. There are only about 6 days a month that a woman can get pregnant, so why so many unwanted pregnancies? I'd urge women to know when these days are if they aren't on birth control.
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This is why men should not have a say in the matter
May 3, 2022, 8:55 AM
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no uterus, no vote.
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No property, no vote.***
May 3, 2022, 9:25 AM
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Re: No property, no vote.***
May 3, 2022, 9:26 AM
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Don't pay taxes - no vote
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Yeah, it's not quite that simple.***
May 3, 2022, 8:55 AM
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In Simpleton World, it is.
May 3, 2022, 8:57 AM
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People are ###### up. Especially white people.
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Oh boy, Joe
May 3, 2022, 8:57 AM
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I admit I'm all over the place with this topic, but it's not as simple as you say.
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Oculus Spirit [83001]
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Sure, there are some exceptions to how long the menstrual
May 3, 2022, 9:33 AM
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cycle lasts. 28 days is the average.
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shouldn't it be HERstrual?***
May 3, 2022, 10:03 AM
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Oculus Spirit [83001]
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Dang right, woke-daddy.***
May 3, 2022, 10:22 AM
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That's very insightful for someone who is the Lunge
May 3, 2022, 11:56 AM
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embodiment of a minstrel show.
As opposed to stubborntiger, who is the lunge embodiment of a menstrual show.
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Lot o points [155633]
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thanks...I think***
May 3, 2022, 12:15 PM
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It's a universal truth that the quality of our lives
May 3, 2022, 9:01 AM
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and the circumstances we are in are influenced almost completely by our personal decisions, not outside forces.
Whether someone is pregnant when they don't want to be is 99% on personal behavior, and the rest on actions of others, laws, etc.
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effin' Religion
May 3, 2022, 9:04 AM
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amirite?
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I agree with him. That's why we should have
May 3, 2022, 9:05 AM
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complete sex education in schools.
Oh wait.
Republicans are against that too
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I don't know what "complete" means
May 3, 2022, 9:09 AM
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As I'm not up on the latest "talking points" on the subject.
Personally, I am in favor of public schools teaching scientific/biological aspects of sex, and leaving moral education on the subject to the home and church.
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What about we, as a society, providing free and readily
May 3, 2022, 9:10 AM
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available contraceptives with instructions on how to properly use them?
Wait, republicans are against that too.
Even though abstinence didn't even work for Mary.
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I'm not against that on principle,
May 3, 2022, 9:11 AM
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if states feel it is good for the well-being of the people in their state. Just like any government assistance, it's a decision on whether the benefits are worth the tax dollars to pay for it.
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To be clear, because of an implication you made below...
May 3, 2022, 9:15 AM
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No contraceptives should be provide to minors except by their parent or guardian. I'm OK if the government wants to provide it to the parents, to provide to their children.
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You haven't met a lot of parents in your lifetime have you?***
May 3, 2022, 9:17 AM
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I agree, it's by far the biggest problem our country has.
May 3, 2022, 9:25 AM
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But that doesn't mean it becomes the government's job. It means the parents/churches need to do their job, and do it better.
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It doesn't mean it SHOULD be
May 3, 2022, 9:30 AM
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But the if the citizenry is going to demand the government prosecute people--even putting young women in prison--for having abortions, and if the government wants to do this to people who have abortions, everyone needs to accept the reality that the government should also take steps to prevent it from even happening since not enough young people are going to learn about it at home or at church.
We know banning abortions isn't going to stop it. So let's work together to educate and prevent.
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I agree with that, and I'm for it, up until whatever point
May 3, 2022, 9:39 AM
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it encroaches on the authority of the parents/church leaders from putting moral (I would call it Biblical) values into the students.
Heck, it would be great if the public schools taught children from a Biblical perspective, but since that won't happen (and Constitutionally, probably can't) it'd be better for them not to teach at all, than to teach something against Biblical principles.
I consider the question of whether one should or should not have sexual intercourse to be a Biblical topic. Therefore, if the school is not going to answer that question from a Biblical perspective, I do not want the school answering the question.
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Re: I agree with that, and I'm for it, up until whatever point
May 3, 2022, 9:42 AM
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Heck, it would be great if the public schools taught children from a Biblical perspective, but since that won't happen (and Constitutionally, probably can't) it'd be better for them not to teach at all, than to teach something against Biblical principles.
But this shouldn't even be on the table in any direction due to the First Amendment.
I consider the question of whether one should or should not have sexual intercourse to be a Biblical topic. Therefore, if the school is not going to answer that question from a Biblical perspective, I do not want the school answering the question.
Why does Christianity get the favoritism here?
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Answer to the second question is rather obvious, right?
May 3, 2022, 9:51 AM
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I would rather things be taught that are correct. Wouldn't you?
You think children should be taught that 2 + 2 is 4, right? You would be against teaching 2 +2 is 22, right? Why the favoritism toward that? Because you believe it is correct. To me, if the Bible says something, that's no less clear or factual than 2 + 2 is 4.
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Prod, if your view on this...
May 3, 2022, 9:53 AM
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And please correct me if I'm making false assumptions...
If your view on this is that "My religion is right and everyone else's contrary views are wrong and my way is the one that needs to be taught," then we don't have much else to discuss at this point. If I can't get through to you that your religion does NOT take precedence over anyone else's or anyone else's lack of religion in public schools based on the Constitution of the United States, then we won't be able to take the debate much further.
And please don't compare simple math to others' religious doctrine.
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If you remember, I'm advocating for not teaching it at all
May 3, 2022, 10:00 AM
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not for public schools being required to teach a Biblical point of view on sex. I concede that is not Constitutional.
In a dream world, of course schools would teach the Bible. But in this country, they can't, without also being able to teach equivalent values from other belief systems.
So, the solution is that the schools teach you what the body parts are, how biologically a life is formed, things that are scientific fact. No problem. Parents, with aid from the church, should answer the question to their children on whether or not they should engage in sexual behavior.
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You should move to a middle eastern country
May 3, 2022, 10:03 AM
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same concept, different religion.
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Re: If you remember, I'm advocating for not teaching it at all
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In a dream world, of course schools would teach the Bible.
That's a nightmare world for millions of Americans.
Parents, with aid from the church, should answer the question to their children on whether or not they should engage in sexual behavior.
I don't disagree with you that the school doesn't need to go into the moral part about it, but certainly more needs to be done to instruct and provide prevention methods for those who refuse to heed the parents' instruction or this. Or who don't get it at all.
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Absolutely. Then when it's over, we tell them
May 3, 2022, 9:13 AM
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if you don't want that, this is how to put on a condom, and here's a free 12 month supply of BC
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Re: Absolutely. Then when it's over, we tell them
May 3, 2022, 12:13 PM
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Given any problem, FBCoach's solution involves FREE everything.
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Which is more expensive?
May 3, 2022, 12:15 PM
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Birth control per year or SNAP/WIC/Medicaid per year?
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Yeah, this part I don't get
May 3, 2022, 9:16 AM
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I, too, have a problem with abortion as birth control, but if a segment of the population has such a problem with it, then support stronger education on it and provide birth control to stop it!
And don't give me, "That's the parents' job." If the parents were doing their job, this wouldn't be a problem. We have plenty of single parents out there who produce the kid as part of the problem.
How about we all work together to prevent unwanted pregnancies so that abortion is less necessary? Because abstinence-only and "wait til marriage" doesn't work.
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Re: Yeah, this part I don't get
May 3, 2022, 9:18 AM
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Give it out by the boat load.
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We finally agree on something***
May 3, 2022, 9:19 AM
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Actually, abstinence and "wait 'til marriage" are nearly
May 3, 2022, 9:23 AM
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guaranteed to result in the elimination of unwanted pregnancies. The problem is that people choose not to practice those things.
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Huh?
May 3, 2022, 9:25 AM
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I'm married, and if we had a kid it would be "unwanted".
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I hope that is not the case.
May 3, 2022, 9:26 AM
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I understand some people have that view.
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Why would just being married make someone
May 3, 2022, 9:28 AM
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who didn't want kids all of a sudden want kids?
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I don't know.***
May 3, 2022, 9:31 AM
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Nice***
May 3, 2022, 9:52 AM
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Which is why republicans are living in fantasy land
May 3, 2022, 9:25 AM
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Nobody argues that abstinence and waiting until you are financially ready for a child is a 100% effective way of ending unwanted pregnancies.
But the reality is, that's not going to happen. We have to operate in reality, not some religious fantasy land.
It's the same concept of "banning abortions will end all abortions, but banning guns won't end all mass shootings"
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Strawman.
May 3, 2022, 9:29 AM
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I don't think anyone has argued that banning abortions will eliminate abortions, any more than banning guns will end shootings.
Laws restricting these activities, just like any criminal laws, would be intended to provide a deterrent to those behaviors, or to make those behaviors more difficult to accomplish.
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It's not a philosophy. It's basic science and logic.
May 3, 2022, 9:33 AM
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Do you agree or disagree that most unwanted pregnancies are caused because two people chose to have sexual intercourse?
If you agree with that, then you agree with my previous post. Right?
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I don't disagree with any of that
May 3, 2022, 9:41 AM
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But if we're taking that route of education as a means of prevention, then I say that's naïve.
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Education will never be an affective method of prevention
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Unless that education is coming from parents. It's the way God set it up, and that way works.
Sure, maybe a class in school could be effective in some cases, but the effect of that pales in comparison to what the child gets on a consistent basis at home. That's where the prevention is. The reason people don't like to hear that is because it takes the problem of abortion, or any of society's ills, and points the finger right back at us, the adults with children. I can't point at anyone else to blame for my child's well-being. It's on me, and my wife....not the President, Congress, or Supreme Court, not the public school, not a political party, not cable news, not Disney or Netflix, or anyone else.
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Then why does the data say that's not true?
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Nothing is 100 percent effective, but leaving this situation solely in the hands of the parents--or in many cases, the single parent who had the same problem--has proven not to work. It may in some households. It doesn't in many others.
Unless you're telling me there's NEVER been a preacher's daughter who got knocked up in her teens...
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I agree, nothing is 100% effective, because it goes back to
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my original post, which is that it's almost completely about personal decisions of behavior. The #1 way, by far, to influence a child's decision making, is to instill values in them consistently, at home. Don't you agree?
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Let me go back to that last part of my post
May 3, 2022, 9:54 AM
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Do you think there have been cases of preacher's daughters getting pregnant in their teens?
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The easiest girls I've ever met have been daughters of
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But you said...
May 3, 2022, 10:06 AM
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"Education will never be an affective method of prevention. Unless that education is coming from parents. It's the way God set it up, and that way works."
Apparently it doesn't always work.
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I never said anything about "preachers"
May 3, 2022, 10:14 AM
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So I think your flow of logic is tangential at best. I would not say that just because someone is a preacher, that they are an effective parent. I suspect you would agree with me on that.
I also reiterate that nothing is 100% effective, because ultimately every individual makes their own choices.
I suppose you are saying that when I said "that way works," that I meant that parental guidance is 100% guaranteed to result in 100% correct decisions by children. I did not intend to imply that.
"That way works" in the same way that my chair works. It doesn't mean that I won't ever accidentally "miss" when sitting down and fall on the floor. But if I want to sit down at my desk effectively, the chair is the way to do it.
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I interpret "that way works" a different way
May 3, 2022, 10:17 AM
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Clearly there are many cases where that doesn't work, thus we need more. But it seems we're in agreement there needs to be more education on prevention and providing means to prevent it.
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Yes, we just disagree on where it should come from.***
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except one is based on data and one is based on
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what you WISH would happen
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I'm pretty neutral on all of this but i DARE you to go down
May 3, 2022, 9:42 AM
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to SCOTUS today and tell someone of the loons that.
I don't think you'd come out alive.
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All those people need jobs. On both sides.***
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agreed.***
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I'm not one to get riled up about women's issues, but dang
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this is just wrong on so many levels and I'm too tired
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What did I get wrong? The 6 day ovulation period?***
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Orange Blooded [4695]
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Saying women need to get their $hit together.
May 3, 2022, 10:56 AM
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Last time there are two people involved in getting pregnant, where's the call for self responsibility for men?
You're assuming a lot, that sexual abuse and rape never happen... that everyone is educated.
Also, there's no set days... unless you are testing for ovulation everyday it can be a crap shoot.
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Point goes to kms on this one.
May 3, 2022, 11:05 AM
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Poorly framed, joeg. Men have just as much responsibility here as women.
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Oculus Spirit [83001]
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I didn't say otherwise. Men have a huge responsibility
May 3, 2022, 11:11 AM
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and that begins with communication between both parties as to whether the female is on the pill or not, or should I use a condom...
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People don't like this brought into the discussion
May 3, 2022, 12:15 PM
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But it has to be with this upcoming ruling:
Where do those conversations begin with rape victims and the 13-year-old who is molested by her uncle?
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Oculus Spirit [83001]
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I didn't mean all women. Just the ones having unprotected
May 3, 2022, 11:08 AM
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sex who don't want to get pregnant.
I also know there isn't an exact science to your period and when ovulation begins and ends. There are ovulation predictor kits that are pretty accurate though.
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I think you're making a pretty broad
May 3, 2022, 11:50 AM
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generalization, that I'm sure is true in some instances...but isn't quite fair to apply to the entire issue.
I'm so pissed off this topic is back at the forefront. This is the last god #### thing we as a society need to be worrying about.
Maybe I'm off base here, but I think the government has about 30 trillion other things to worry about instead of this issue which they have zero god #### business worrying about.
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Re: I think you're making a pretty broad
May 3, 2022, 12:18 PM
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Agree. I posted earlier that at least we don't have to talk about Jan 6th any longer, but after reading a few of these posts, let's go back to Jan 6th!
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skirts***
May 3, 2022, 12:34 PM
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Oculus Spirit [79400]
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Lot o points [155633]
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Did I hear an ice cream truck?
May 3, 2022, 12:40 PM
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CAUSE THAT'S SOME GOOD HUMOR RIGHT THERE!!!!!
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