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After playing the likes of GT and Furman
Sep 11, 2022, 10:01 PM
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Clemson ranks:
#85 in total offense
#48 in total defense
Yikes!!
I hope it's just the new staff with some early season growing pains but we need to figure it out before Wake!
Go Tigers!
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That’s much better than this time last season!…
Sep 11, 2022, 10:02 PM
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At least on offense.
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Legend [18790]
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But we started with UGA last season.***
Sep 11, 2022, 10:03 PM
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Re: So you’re saying we might win our division this year?******
Sep 11, 2022, 11:14 PM
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Pablo!
Sep 12, 2022, 1:01 AM
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No me jodas!
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Re: After playing the likes of GT and Furman
Sep 11, 2022, 10:03 PM
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We have a long way to go. But the pollsters believe in us.
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110%er [6153]
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What about our rank in scoring offense and scoring defense?
Sep 11, 2022, 10:06 PM
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Because, bottom line, that is the only team stat that really means anything.
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Legend [18790]
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So just ignore the rest.
Sep 11, 2022, 10:06 PM
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I get it.
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110%er [6153]
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Exactly! It all window dressing. Just score points and
Sep 11, 2022, 10:16 PM
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and keep the other team from scoring and you win every time.
It may be embarrassing to see Furman have success between the red zones, but in the end, it doesn’t really matter.
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Okay, so it didn’t matter in that game.
Sep 11, 2022, 10:18 PM
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But wouldn’t you agree that those stats are concerning given the fact that our schedule only gets tougher from here?
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Da.mn man ... the score IS the picture.
Sep 11, 2022, 10:24 PM
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Nobody cares how many yards Notre Dame or TAMU ran up this past weekend do they?
They don’t give a rats ### what the Irish or the Aggie’s QB rating was.
They care about one thing. Their teams lost.
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LOL, not much of a "big picture" kind of guy are ya?***
Sep 11, 2022, 10:27 PM
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110%er [6153]
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I like to focus on winning and losing.
Sep 11, 2022, 10:45 PM
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I believe random stats other than points for and points against are interesting, but not particularly important.
I will always take an ugly win over a pretty loss.
And yes ... I know ... we ALL want pretty wins each and every week!
Meanwhile, at years end, Bama’s one point squeaker over Texas will look just like Miami’s 70 point blowout of Bethune Cookman.
It will be a “W” not an “L”.
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Random stats?
Sep 12, 2022, 12:49 AM
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Obviously, you're not a math-type. Analytics is a HUGE part of sports these days.
I suggest you watch Money Ball. It's a great movie with Brad Pitt. You'd really enjoy it and at the same time learn about how stats can be used to make informed decisions and even win.
This is your homework. We will debrief once you see it, dig?
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Re: Random stats?
Sep 12, 2022, 6:54 AM
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Since you’re a mathematician (I believe you have said) and a Moneyball fan how about do this for me? Approximate a WAR formula for college football head coaches. Then let us know where Dabo ranks. That should help validate your concerns AND give us a great list of viable candidates to begin considering for his replacement.
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Fun movie ... but the “A’s” played sub-.500 ball for years
Sep 12, 2022, 8:40 AM
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after Billy Beane’s sudden success with analytics.
Maybe his stuff worked, or maybe he just got lucky.
Once again, winning or losing is the only real analytic that counts.
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Re: The problem with all that is
Sep 12, 2022, 7:05 AM
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If Clemson is holding opposing teams to FGs when they drive the field and Clemson is punching it in most the time then test the yards do not tell the whole story.. show red zone efficiency and points scored.
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Re: Exactly! It all window dressing. Just score points and
Sep 11, 2022, 11:57 PM
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The problem is, while I somewhat agree with you, if you allow teams to march down the field on a consistent basis, you lose the position battle, and you'll find the better teams will punch it in. But for your stats. At this moment, we have the 93rd ranked schedule:
#43 Scoring Offense: #82 in yards per play (that's more valuable than total yards)
#22 Scoring Defense: #37 in yards per play
My biggest concern is we're #88 in rushing yards per carry. If you look at 2018 and 2019, we were #1 both years.
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Numbers and logic aren't big here but thanks for helping.***
Sep 12, 2022, 12:52 AM
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In recent history, this is
Sep 11, 2022, 11:23 PM
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Not the worst starting point we’ve had
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So "Not the worst start" is standard?
Sep 12, 2022, 12:53 AM
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Even as a pumper, you're working overtime to defend this start.
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I’m not saying it’s a great start
Sep 12, 2022, 2:05 PM
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But the offense is less clunky than when TE was here. We seem to have a better flow playcalling.
We really need a gamebreaker at WR. We just don’t have that top 10 draft pick WR right now.
Dj is improved but who knows where his ceiling is.. I think CK has too much talent to keep off the field ..
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Cue the “we start slow every year” posts.***
Sep 11, 2022, 10:06 PM
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Due West had the best excuse.
Sep 11, 2022, 10:09 PM
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Just count scoring offense and defense but the rest of the stats don't matter. I am shaking my head, man.
Like my Grandpa used to always say, you can justify anything.
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“Well, we won two Nattys recently!”
Sep 11, 2022, 10:12 PM
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Most other schools would love to trade places with us!”
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You worry way too much for such a youngster ...
Sep 11, 2022, 10:20 PM
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... you should focus on what’s important and ignore what’s not.
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Re: Cue the “we start slow every year” posts.***
Sep 11, 2022, 10:51 PM
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One thing you dont want to do is start fast and keep the pedal to the metal all year. It leaves nothing for the fans to complain about.
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Or the "we're just holding back, keeping it vanilla" BS.
Sep 11, 2022, 11:44 PM
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It's not doomsday by any means, but while I'm sure we have kept it pretty basic, the truth is we have played poorly for much of the first two games, and will have to improve quite a bit if we expect to win the ACC. Dabo even said as much, and anybody who says otherwise is full of shid. The good news is, we have time to work some things out and hopefully improve before it costs us.
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Re: After playing the likes of GT and Furman
Sep 11, 2022, 10:12 PM
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You cant expect us to do well vs those teams.
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I mean I am more worried about the offense....
Sep 11, 2022, 10:14 PM
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it's them who have been hovering in the bottom 25% of all schools in the FBS on offense for a year and two games now.
We hired from within from that disaster. I honestly think it would have been a good time to get some fresh ideas. But we'll see. I hope we can turn it around. If the freshman WRs can get going I think it will help.
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I maintain that Streeter is not qualified to be our offensive coordinator.
Sep 11, 2022, 10:16 PM
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The number of fans here who don’t seem to have a problem with it, simply because that’s who Dabo hired, is concerning.
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Remind ME
Sep 11, 2022, 11:00 PM
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How long has Streeter been our OC?
How many games should we give him to prove himself?
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Re: I maintain that Streeter is not qualified to be our offensive coordinator.
Sep 11, 2022, 11:19 PM
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And how, exactly, is he not qualified? How was Tony Elliot qualified? Chad Morris had been the OC at Tulsa how long? It wasn’t very long if I recall correctly. He was a high school coach before that. It is most curious to me to see how many individuals on this message board seem to be doom and gloom coming off a 10-3 season and a Top 15 finish. One thing that last year showed was that Clemson knows how to win games even if they aren’t pretty.
Judge, spare me an additional few moments of your time, please. I know you like basketball, and I do as well, so let me ask you some questions. If I gave you the blind resume of a basketball coach with the following list of accomplishments: 13.5 total years of head coach experience, all at the same school, 81% winning percentage , 7 Conference Titles, 6 Final Fours, 4 National Title game appearances, 2 National Runner-Ups and 2 National Titles. Would you call him a good coach, as far as winning and losing is concerned? Furthermore, if that same coach was coming off a previous “down year” of only 23 or 24 wins and essentially what amounts to a Sweet 16 Appearance, but he suddenly needs to replace two very good, long time assistants at the end of that season, would you immediately question that coach’s ability to make those new hiring decisions? And, also remember that this coach has achieved all of this by being the chief architect of this mystery program. This same program has always had a rabid and supportive fan base, and the previous 50 years to his hiring has seen the program obtain about ten years of great success and national prominence and relevancy that resulted in one National Title and multiple conference titles, but it was sprinkled amongst about 40 previous years of mediocrity. The previous 20 years to his hiring have been especially excruciating seasons of what ifs, might’ves, could’ves, should’ves, frustration, floundering, and futility. And three different head coaches have come and gone in those previous 20 years too. Considering all of that, would you honestly be as critical of his hires as you are of Coach Swinney’s hires at OC and DC? If so, do you think that’s fair? If not, why do you feel that way about Coach Swinney’s hires? Again, just asking your honest opinion. I appreciate your time, and Go Tigers!
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Re: I maintain that Streeter is not qualified to be our offensive coordinator.
Sep 12, 2022, 6:31 AM
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Great, well thought out response which means you either way won’t get a response or it’ll be some pithy, deflecting comment that doesn’t address your actual point. That’s how trolls like JK play the game.
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Re: BigChief compares B.Brownell to D.Swinney
Sep 12, 2022, 7:59 AM
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Wow ... your response is one of those "Turn out the lights, the party's over" type of posts.
No longer will anyone compare B.Brownell as being favorable (i.e., a coach to support wholeheartedly) to D.Swinney as being questionable (i.e., a coach that some can't help but to criticize).
Will be curious if anyone (even if it's only one rabid supporter of B.Brownell) attempts a rebuttal.
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Re: I maintain that Streeter is not qualified to be our offensive coordinator.
Sep 12, 2022, 2:18 PM
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Great response. You make excellent points.
Unfortunately, you’ll find this poster has no real interest in an honest conversation about any topic. His objective is to troll, create divisiveness, and stroke his own undeserved ego.
Most disingenuous poster on TNet.
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Re: I maintain that Streeter is not qualified to be our offensive coordinator.
Sep 12, 2022, 2:29 PM
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I maintain that Streeter is not qualified to be our offensive coordinator. [3]
Sep 11, 2022, 10:16 PM
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The number of fans here who don’t seem to have a problem with it, simply because that’s who Dabo hired, is concerning.
WHAT IS REALLY CONCERNING IS YOU USING THAT HANDLE. YOU GIVE A BAD NAME TO THAT ESTABLISMENT. HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE NO CONNECTION TO IT AT ALL.
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Re: I mean I am more worried about the offense....
Sep 12, 2022, 12:01 AM
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So remind me again what percent your offense needs to be in to win the division? Or win the ACC? Or go to the playoffs? Or win the national championship? I want to look at the big picture as good as you.
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How about better than #85?
Sep 12, 2022, 12:58 AM
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You're the self-proclaimed stat guy, have a go.
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Re: How about better than #85?
Sep 12, 2022, 6:09 AM
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Lol - “self proclaimed”. I’m just trying to keep up with your whiny nonsense masquerading as deep thinking. Is that #85 at the end of season or after week 2? Do you count non-conference stats. Thanks to this thread I now know that total offense/defense > scoring offense/defense > actual wins and losses. Who knew? Sorry being a Clemson fan is so tough on you. Dabo has definitely been a bust. Please carry on.
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Re: After playing the likes of GT and Furman
Sep 11, 2022, 10:14 PM
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That is concerning
Sep 11, 2022, 10:44 PM
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But what's really concerning is where we'll rank at the end of the year after facing the likes of UGA and Bama in the CFP. This could get ugly, folks.
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Haha, let's get past Wake first***
Sep 11, 2022, 11:08 PM
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Re: After playing the likes of GT and Furman
Sep 11, 2022, 10:52 PM
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Can't be better than 2-0 so big deal.
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Re: After playing the likes of GT and Furman
Sep 11, 2022, 11:17 PM
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but there's work to be done...
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Re: After playing the likes of GT and Furman
Sep 12, 2022, 3:07 AM
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EXACTLY. I thing maybe we’ve just been playing to the level of our competition, a common trap for teams, as shown by Saturday’s results. At least we came out still unbeaten, with fairly dominant wins. I say we’ll play better against better teams. Also I’ll have to tip my hat to Furman, who had a great game plan. Their screen game got us every time, and it took a lot of steam out of our defense, especially pass-rushers.
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But...we are....
Sep 11, 2022, 11:51 PM
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#21 Scoring Defense
#41 Scoring Offense
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But the actual yards gained and given up don't concern you?
Sep 12, 2022, 12:41 AM
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Really? Or are you just taking sides?
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Re: But the actual yards gained and given up don't concern you?
Sep 12, 2022, 6:10 AM
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If he’s “taking sides” it would appear to be the one that is pro-Clemson ?
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A few years ago, after losing to Bama in Phoenix, Dabo said
Sep 12, 2022, 8:30 AM
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he figured out they didn't need to clobber teams every game. He said they mapped out every game for a 15 game season. I took that to mean, using just enough of the playbook to win, and playing young players to get them reps in case they are needed for depth later in the year. Now, if we give up 500 yards to Wake and NC State, I will be concerned, but if we hold them to 20 points or less, I will be good to go..Last week, we got in very late Tuesday morning after the GT game...So basically, if it took at least one day to recover from sleep deprivation, we had Wednesday, Thursday,and Friday to get ready for Furman. The game was over in the first half....We have new corners and backers, so hopefully they figured some stuff out.
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Re: After playing the likes of GT and Furman
Sep 12, 2022, 6:47 AM
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Thank goodness we aren't using the eye test for rankings.
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Re: After playing the likes of GT and Furman
Sep 12, 2022, 7:27 AM
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Several ways to look at these numbers. The defensive numbers don't worry me because the talent is there and they will be OK. Like you said could be some growing pains with the new coaches.
The offense does look better than last years but not as much as I had hoped. I think the O line will get better week to week and the offense will continue to improve. I don't think they will be great but hopefully good enough to let the defense win games.
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Re: After playing the likes of GT and Furman
Sep 12, 2022, 2:53 PM
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I look at PPG and DPPG more than anything. I'm not going to complain completely about 38 ppg and giving up just 11 ppg.
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