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YOUR BALANCE
Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or
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Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 8:53 AM

"faction" or "fringe" part of the fan base that's upset with the trajectory of the program.

Why? Because that's what the Clemson media at large lead him to believe. Tigetnet used the term "fringe". TCI used the term "faction".

Clemson Media is the liaison between the fans and this program and if Dabo doesn't understand that the vast majority of this fan base desires him to fix this offense even if it means a major overhaul then that's the media's fault. It's their job to take sentiments of the fanbase at large to the podium in the form of their questions.

Dabo believes that this "minority" or "fringe few" or "faction" is simply upset about winning only 10 games or only winning the ACC. Couldn't be farthest from the truth. If this team played to the level of it's talent and had been in a tougher conference and lost a couple games this fan base would be just fine with that. The issue isn't 10 wins or no playoffs. The issue is having one of the worst offenses in the entire nation 2 years in a row, continually running a QB on the field that wouldn't start for any other top 25 program and continually hiring D2 level family and friend coordinators and coaches on the way to that 10-2 little league ACC championship.

The issue is losing players to the portal and replacing their scholarship with Daniel HS walkons.

It's not 10-2. It's not missing the playoffs. Dabo says no one has their head in the sand but there's dirt in his ears.

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What a joke


Nov 29, 2022, 8:55 AM

lol

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Wow, i never thought I'd receive such a well thought out


Nov 29, 2022, 8:56 AM

and eloquent, logical rebuttal such as this.

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You get what you deserve


Nov 29, 2022, 8:57 AM

lol

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Do you actually enjoy being the most annoying member of


Nov 29, 2022, 8:58 AM

Tigernet? It's quite an accomplishment considering how many coots frequent this place.

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LOL


Nov 29, 2022, 9:02 AM

LOL

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Re: What a joke


Nov 29, 2022, 9:01 AM

Yes, you truly are.

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You’re the joke, bud.


Nov 29, 2022, 11:19 AM

Amazing how you’ve accumulated so many “points” on this website by calling everyone coots. Truly astonishing. Your posts contribute absolutely zero substance to this forum. Congratulations.

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Re: You’re the joke, bud.


Nov 29, 2022, 12:48 PM

I think it’s an alter for one of the mods. It’s the only explanation as to why the banhammer hasn’t been applied…

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Re: You’re the joke, bud.


Nov 29, 2022, 1:54 PM

The guy literally does nothing but harrass people. But I'll give it to him. He harrasses Clemson and coots alike. He's not prejudiced.

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why do you think they are NOT The minority?***


Nov 29, 2022, 9:00 AM



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Geville Tiger on 2021 football season, "Dabo's only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


Look around you Ellen***


Nov 29, 2022, 9:03 AM



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We're at the threshold of ####!***


Nov 29, 2022, 9:04 AM



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There's something in these hills.


not sure what that means.. is that some sort of tig tog


Nov 29, 2022, 9:05 AM

phrase?

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Geville Tiger on 2021 football season, "Dabo's only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


It's a movie quote - an indy film - you've probably never


Nov 29, 2022, 9:49 AM

seen it - lil' thing called CHRISTMAS VACATION ? ! ?


https://youtu.be/kkqPB8YUeDc

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Brad Brownell: Only Larry freaking Shyatt has a WORSE overall winning percentage among Clemson basketball coaches since 1975. Let that sink in. It's Larry Shyatt & then Brad Brownell.


ive seen bits an pieces


Nov 29, 2022, 9:53 AM

but never the whole thing.

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Geville Tiger on 2021 football season, "Dabo's only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


Re: ive seen bits an pieces


Nov 29, 2022, 9:56 AM

That tells me all I need to know about you

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glad i could help***


Nov 29, 2022, 10:22 AM



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Geville Tiger on 2021 football season, "Dabo's only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


You seriously need to watch the whole thing. It is the


Nov 29, 2022, 9:59 AM

classic Christmas movie that would rival ANY CLASSIC movie of any generation - of any genre.


It's all over the TV this month. If you can stomach commercials every 15 minutes, watch it that way for free.

If not - rent it for $5 on a streaming service - or buy it for $20 - it will be the best "little" money you will spend all Christmas.



Merry Christmas - Go Tigers ! ! !

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Brad Brownell: Only Larry freaking Shyatt has a WORSE overall winning percentage among Clemson basketball coaches since 1975. Let that sink in. It's Larry Shyatt & then Brad Brownell.


it was on Sunday.. but yeah the commercials got


Nov 29, 2022, 10:20 AM

me again. Get me every time.

This is the 1st time i saw the brother in law dumping his waste in the sewer. I guess ill eventually see the whole thing.

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Geville Tiger on 2021 football season, "Dabo's only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


Speaking of the pooper being full - this place is FULL and


Nov 29, 2022, 11:10 AM

needs to be emptied somewhere - just sayin'.

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Brad Brownell: Only Larry freaking Shyatt has a WORSE overall winning percentage among Clemson basketball coaches since 1975. Let that sink in. It's Larry Shyatt & then Brad Brownell.


Re: why do you think they are NOT The minority?***


Nov 29, 2022, 9:09 AM

If you were at the game and afterwards, you must have had your ears plugged. Fans who watch by other media probably feel the same way.

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Tell 'em u7c coot. No one knows losing better than you.


Nov 29, 2022, 9:13 AM

26-1

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Re: Tell 'em u7c coot. No one knows losing better than you.


Nov 29, 2022, 10:41 AM

I see this post a lot "80" but never sure who you are calling a coot? Anyone you don't agree with or are you the coot?

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your rational is that the reaction of fans


Nov 29, 2022, 9:14 AM

IMEMDIATLEY after a loss indicates the attitude of the fan base

immediately after a loss. after a LOSS

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Geville Tiger on 2021 football season, "Dabo's only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


This isn't about a loss lol


Nov 29, 2022, 9:21 AM

This is about a 4 year trend downward for the program. It's about 2 years in a row of an offense worse than Purdue. It's about 2 years in a row of having a passing offense worse than Kansas. And through all this the man in charge says "nope, no changes needed, fire me"

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stay in the lane


Nov 29, 2022, 9:25 AM

DBrittsRKm's rational was the reaction of fan immediately after a loss. Naturally fans will be very upset after a loss so that is not a good reasoning to assume the majority of fans are very unhappy with the state of the program.


NOw..again.. stay in the lane. I asked you already... What makes YOU think they are not in the minority?

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Geville Tiger on 2021 football season, "Dabo's only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


Re: stay in the lane


Nov 29, 2022, 9:35 AM

All you have to do is go anywhere physically or interwebs to see that the majority of the sentiment is that changes need to be made with this offense. It's not imagination.

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Internet????


Nov 29, 2022, 9:42 AM

that is your reasoning?

anonymous posts from anonymous people who could be from any fan base with any number of agendas.

Tigernet alone has 130,000 users.. IPtay only has 18,000 members. the Math doesn't check out.

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Geville Tiger on 2021 football season, "Dabo's only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


Re: Internet????


Nov 29, 2022, 9:58 AM

All the Clemson fans I know personally think the offense is terrible and has been for a while. They also think Dj needs to be benched and Dabo is his step daddy. Btw Facebook is a good indicator. It’s people with names and faces not just anonymous bloggers you idiot

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FAcebook?


Nov 29, 2022, 10:05 AM

really.. You are suggesting the program be run by folks on Facebook?

tell all the Clemson fans you know to call The AD with their IPTAY # in hand if they want to be heard.

They will get farther than facebook.

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Geville Tiger on 2021 football season, "Dabo's only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


Re: FAcebook?


Nov 29, 2022, 10:07 AM

Not one person said that facebook or any other platform should run anything.

We're talking about whether or not the sentiment of "decision time" is minority or fringe per the call in's from last night. Dabo said it is minority. We are saying it is MAJORITY based on physical interactions among clemson fans as well as anonymous message boards AND personalized facebook groups. All of the above.

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exactly lol***


Nov 29, 2022, 10:06 AM



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Re: Internet????


Nov 29, 2022, 10:05 AM

I said "physically and interwebs"

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Re: Internet????


Nov 29, 2022, 11:23 AM

Im sorry should we hire Rasmussen to run a poll

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Well there was certainly a majority in the stadium on


Nov 29, 2022, 11:37 AM

Saturday that agreed that DJ and the play calling stunk. Add halftime adjustments to the list. Come out of halftime, 3 and out, terrible punt and coverage, then capons score with the short field. A very vocal majority were unhappy with the second half on Saturday.

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Please provide a list of players we should have gotten...


Nov 29, 2022, 9:01 AM

from the portal, why we did not land them out of high school, and who they would have replaced. I've asked this a dozen times and no one can answer it.

Apparently tnet is full of idea guys, but short on implementation guys.

PS: He's correct, it is the minority. Unfortunately for the rest of us, we have to listen to it.


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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


I've answered this for you before and you just choose to


Nov 29, 2022, 9:07 AM

ignore it.

Last year alone there were 20 4* or better WRs that hit the portal. Many of the 3* were very accomplished WRs such as Michael Tinsley. I guess little old Clemson just didn't have the pedigree to land any of them huh?

11 4* or better OL and many accomplished 3 *. Again just didn't have the pedigree to land not one of them?

Who would they replace? Well we hand out scholarships to walk ons like candy at halloween.

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No you haven't...


Nov 29, 2022, 9:48 AM

Or at least not that I've seen.

A) Yesterday you provided the name of one player who hit the portal this weekend. And one 3 star today who was a JUCO player.
B) You have provided no evidence of why we did not recruit/land them out of high school.
C) You named 0 players you would replace.

But lets take a look at the player you just named, he has 528 yards and 4 TDs this season. If we had picked up a 3* JUCO player who transferred to Western Kentucky where he was not even the best receiver, then to Penn St. where he put up 528 yards 4 TDs, our fortunes would have changed?


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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


Re: No you haven't...


Nov 29, 2022, 10:00 AM

So you really think Dj is better than Cade?

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I'm sorry...


Nov 29, 2022, 10:02 AM

What?

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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


Re: No you haven't...


Nov 29, 2022, 10:16 AM

A) Yesterday you provided the name of one player who hit the portal this weekend. And one 3 star today who was a JUCO player.

I actually provided several

Grant Dubose, Dominic Lovett, and Theo Wease

B) You have provided no evidence of why we did not recruit/land them out of high school.

Not sure why this is even relevant?

C) You named 0 players you would replace.

Drew Swinney

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Ok…


Nov 29, 2022, 12:18 PM

1) I’ll go back and dig for those names.
2) Why is it relevant? This is a clue that you don’t understand the recruiting process.
3) So you’d lure a 3-4* player to Clemson by offering him a redshirt senior’s walk on spot, which comes with 115 career snaps?

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Re: Ok…


Nov 29, 2022, 12:24 PM

"Why is it relevant? This is a clue that you don’t understand the recruiting process."

The recruiting process and the portal are not directly related. Reasons why we may or may not have gone after a certain player out of HS may or may not be relevant in why we would go after a portal player.

Or are you one of those "iF tHeY dIdN't ChOoSe ClEmSoN tHeN tHeY'rE nOt ClEmSoN mAtErIaL" people?

"So you’d lure a 3-4* player to Clemson by offering him a redshirt senior’s walk on spot, which comes with 115 career snaps?"

If we hadn't given that scholly to the walk-on to begin with and went after a portal player how would it be taking their spot? The point is it was mismanaged not to throw guys out now.

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Re: Ok…


Nov 29, 2022, 2:31 PM

“The recruiting process and the portal are not directly related. Reasons why we may or may not have gone after a certain player out of HS may or may not be relevant in why we would go after a portal player.“

Exactly, they may or may not be relevant. But you have to know the reason why, correct? Maybe it was grades, maybe an oversight by coaches, maybe trouble with the law, maybe personality, maybe his skill set wasn’t a fit. And no, I’m not one of those people at all. I’m a person who looks logically at reasons someone may not have been a fit initially, then decides if that reason is still a concern. If you are not concerned with those reasons, then no, you do not understand the recruiting process.

“ If we hadn't given that scholly to the walk-on to begin with and went after a portal player how would it be taking their spot? The point is it was mismanaged not to throw guys out now.”

You are pulling a scholarship from our walk on holder and offering that spot to your portal guy. So you are offering a portal guy a spot as a holder and backup WR. That’s exactly the point, these guys in the portal aren’t going places because they are being offered sweet backup roles.

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Re: Ok…


Nov 29, 2022, 2:52 PM

Maybe we were full at that position at the time? Maybe we've had injuries? Maybe we've had guys portalling out and now need that position?

To assume that every single person we didn't recruit had some sort of negative issue with their behavior, personality or academics is just self righteous BS


"You are pulling a scholarship from our walk on holder and offering that spot to your portal guy. So you are offering a portal guy a spot as a holder and backup WR. That’s exactly the point, these guys in the portal aren’t going places because they are being offered sweet backup roles."


You're obviously not following. The walk on never had a scholarship to begin with to be pulled if we managed the roster correctly and used the portal. Geez

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I’m not assuming it’s negative…


Nov 29, 2022, 3:19 PM

What are you talking about? I even said it could have been an oversight by our coaches. It could also be he hates orange, it could be he hates to fly, it could be he’s always wanted to be at ND and he’s thinks he has a shot, it could be anything. You are getting a little strong there for no reason. But I can take it.

Regarding the scholarship, you are the one not following. Let’s assume we have an open scholarship right now, and your portal guy agrees to take it. It is almost certain he does not want to be a backup. Who is he replacing who is not currently a backup? Or are you suggesting your portal guy is ok being a backup? Because if he’s expecting to be a starter, and you tell him he will be, then he’s replacing someone, and that someone isn’t going to be thrilled, and will in turn probably hit the portal. And if you tell portal guy he has a chance to be a starter, and 5 other schools are guaranteeing it, well, he probably isn’t coming to Clemson, unless he just loves orange, or flying, or…




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Re: I’m not assuming it’s negative…


Nov 29, 2022, 3:24 PM

So you're saying every single player in the portal over the last 4 years didn't want to come to Clemson?


Because that's what this is about. We've gotten one guy out of the portal and it's guy we want to make a coach. Your excuses just don't hold weight.

"You are the one not following. Let’s assume we have an open scholarship right now, and your portal guy agrees to take it. It is almost certain he does not want to be a backup. Who is he replacing who is not currently a backup? Or are you suggesting your portal guy is ok being a backup? Because if he’s expecting to be a starter, and you tell him he is, then he’s replacing someone, and that someone isn’t going to be thrilled, and will in turn probably hit the portal."

There are numerous guys who enter the portal and go to a team and be second string. Most just want a chance. It's obvious from these conversations that you don't follow the portal or the players in them very closely.

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If you're going to say I don't follow the portal...


Nov 29, 2022, 4:47 PM

or the players in it very closely, you probably should know who is in it before you list them...

https://www.oudaily.com/sports/ou-football-sooners-theo-wease-says-i-haven-t-come-to-a-conclusion-yet-on/article_87524f78-701d-11ed-bf88-bfeae4bcd18b.html





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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


Re: If you're going to say I don't follow the portal...


Nov 29, 2022, 4:50 PM

He will end up in the portal.

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Re: If you're going to say I don't follow the portal...


Nov 29, 2022, 4:57 PM

:)

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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


I'll help you with the excuses used.


Nov 29, 2022, 10:27 AM

1. Those guys are all attitude problems.
2. Those guys are quitters.
3. Those guys would ruin our culture.
4. Those guys aren't as good as the receivers we have on the roster.
5. Those guys required NIL deals and we are just too poor to play that game.

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Is this your list?


Nov 29, 2022, 11:03 AM

Because you have yet to provide one.

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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


That's quite a list. Will any of these also be applicable


Nov 29, 2022, 11:11 AM

during basketball season?

If not, have you made a list...and checked it twice?

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Aspiring member of the TigerNet Sewer Dwellers


Re: Please provide a list of players we should have gotten...


Nov 29, 2022, 9:27 AM

I think we could have made a run for gibbs from ga tech (RB) when he transferred to alabama. He was worth a look.


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That's the one position we didn't need


Nov 29, 2022, 9:38 AM

a veteran player for.

We could have used WR, OL, Secondary, QB

20+ 3* or better WRs

11 4* or better OL

12 4* or better QBs

17 4* or better DBs

and we're supposed to believe that we just couldn't convince any of them to want to play for one of the most dominant programs in the country and couldn't find a measley scholarship for not even one.


Well except Hunter Johnson because he's our next Friends and Family lottery winner on the coaching staff.

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Re: That's the one position we didn't need


Nov 29, 2022, 9:44 AM

I think the RB spot could still use a player like Gibbs, but agree it wasnt the top need. Plenty of good players going to other teams and being successful. Why cant we do that?

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Re: That's the one position we didn't need


Nov 29, 2022, 9:51 AM

It would destroy our culture.....so we're told

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i dont think he had any desire to ever go to Clemson


Nov 29, 2022, 9:39 AM

He is from Alabama and his officials were to Bama, LSU , Florida, and Ohio State. .

im wiling to bet $2 Alabama already had him locked up before he ever jumped in the portal.

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Re: i dont think he had any desire to ever go to Clemson


Nov 29, 2022, 12:43 PM

Gibbs was from georgia.

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Re: i dont think he had any desire to ever go to Clemson


Nov 29, 2022, 12:43 PM

Gibbs was from georgia.

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Re: Please provide a list of players we should have gotten...


Nov 29, 2022, 9:49 AM

How do we know they didn’t take a look? I’m guessing there are a lot of things discussed that never get publicized if the discussion ends early for whatever reason.

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You don't have to listen to anything.


Nov 29, 2022, 10:25 AM

You can stop reading TigerNet and other fan-based sources of information.

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Cobbox on Brad Brownell: “His only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


I still like reading it…


Nov 29, 2022, 10:59 AM

for the comedic value…

Post:
“ We all understand that most teams would be thrilled with 10-2.

How many of those teams were in the playoffs two years ago, pay their head coach over $10 million a year, have top 5 recruiting classes, and among the best if not the best facilities in college football?

Yeah, that would be zero.” - JK

Reply:
“ Bama.­..

You really didn't think that one through” - tigerfan525



https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/we-all-understand-that-most-teams-would-be-thrilled-with-10-2-31809998


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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


People have no foundational principles, little true knowledge, but can’t live worth out trolling


Nov 29, 2022, 4:30 PM

are always comedy gold here, and JK is the Best Comic Standing.

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Correctdamundo!


Nov 29, 2022, 2:46 PM

Stabbing in the dark brings injury to the innocent, usually misses both the guilty and the deserving and often results in self injury to self.

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Idiot Post of the Day***


Nov 29, 2022, 9:03 AM



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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 9:03 AM

One of this site's editors called one of Dabo's staff a "drooling toddler" so I'm not sure you can argue Clemson media is leading him to believe anything positive.

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 9:08 AM

The press conference's prove otherwise. Nearly every question is asked in a "positive" way almost as if they're scared and walking on egg shells.

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 9:19 AM

Or it could be due to them being professionals at their work while quacking angry T-Netters are largely emotional nut jobs?

I keed. I keed.

But seriously.

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 9:23 AM

So the only way to be a professional sport journalist is to suck up to the man or woman at the podium?

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 10:45 AM

It's the only way you are sure to be invited back.

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 9:11 AM

I’ll try to help clear it up for you. The majority of fans are disappointed and would like to see better results especially from the offense. The vocal minority think Dabo has “dirt in his ears” and is willfully not doing anything about the issues.

I’ve heard this narrative a lot lately. Exactly how many Daniel HS walk-ons do we currently have on scholarship? I honestly don’t know and am curious if those who fling this statement know the actual number or if it this is just parroting to further an agenda.

It’s also a little difficult to take your statement that you are not upset about only winning 10 games or only winning the ACC when you then refer to it as “that 10-2 little league ACC championship. “

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 9:14 AM

Does the level of competition in the ACC not play a role in whether or not 10-2 is acceptable when you consider the salary of the head coach and the level of talent on the team?

Curious as to your mind set there....

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 9:37 AM

The level of the competition in the ACC is another talking point that parrots use to further their agenda.

The salary of the head coach has more to do with the results he has achieved on a national stage over the last several years. I know a lot of folks are saying we have declined the last couple of years and I’m not disputing that but salaries in any industry are almost always based on previous performance and taking money away from someone after it has been promised contractually is unheard of, so that is irrelevant at least for now.

As far as talent if anyone thinks we have the same talent level we had with Tee, Mike Williams, ETN, TL, DW4, the Power Rangers, Mackenzie A, Booth, Isaiah Simmons, and Renfrow they are not watching the play on the field on Saturday or Sunday.

BTW - do you have a number to answer the Daniel HS question or is this just a one way conversation where I answer your questions and you just parrot generalizations?

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 9:49 AM

No one is talking about reducing anyone's salary. The argument is that someone making nearly 11 mil a year shouldn't be above reproach when asked why their offense is one of the worst in the country 2 years running and what they're going to do to fix it.


To answer your question regarding Daniel players on scholarship, by my count (and of course this could have changed) there are 3 on full scholarship.

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 10:16 AM

So I did your research for you. The comment from your OP and question was regarding Daniel HS WALK-ONS that are on scholarship. When you twist that to total Daniel players on scholarship 3 is correct. But based on the TNet scholarship breakdown, only one of those 3 was ever a walk-on. I know how hard it is for some to deal in facts but it really does make for a better discussion. It is easier and lazy to throw out statements that are not based in fact to support your rhetoric. But it sounded good until someone challenged it. Nice try.

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Nov 29, 2022, 10:23 AM

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or
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So I did your research for you. The comment from your OP and question was regarding Daniel HS WALK-ONS that are on scholarship. When you twist that to total Daniel players on scholarship 3 is correct. But based on the TNet scholarship breakdown, only one of those 3 was ever a walk-on. I know how hard it is for some to deal in facts but it really does make for a better discussion. It is easier and lazy to throw out statements that are not based in fact to support your rhetoric. But it sounded good until someone challenged it. Nice try.

EVERYONE IS FRUSTRATED FOR SURE BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK THESE PATHETIC MORONS WOULD DO IF DABO ANNOUNCED AT HIS PRESSER THAT HE WOULD BE MOVING ALONG. THEIR COLLECTIVE HEADS WOULD EXPLODE. WE AND EVERY FANBASE HAVE A DEFINITE MINORITY OF MOUTHBREATHING WALMART FANS THAT ONLY KNOW HOW TO LIVE IN THE CURRENT MOMENT, IF YOU CAN CALL IT LIVING. NO WONDER OUR COUNTRY IS IN THE SHAPE IT IS NOW.

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 10:41 AM

What does it matter if they start as a walkon or not?

So if we had given Drew a scholarship from the jump it's all good? He deserves to take up a number otherwise to be given to a 4 or 5 star? Because he got it form the jump?

You're twisting the argument lol

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 11:08 AM

Your comment in the OP - “The issue is losing players to the portal and replacing their scholarship with Daniel HS walkons.”

You were the one that specified walk-ons in your first exaggerated grandstanding statement. I just fact checked your statement and found it to be factually incorrect. So YOU twisted the argument to deflect away from your initial incorrect statement. Are you in Washington?

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 11:54 AM

And what I said was true. We lost players to the portal and gave those schollies to walkons, inlcuding one from Daniel HS in this last round in the name of Drew Swinney. He was not the first over the years.

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My agenda would be to put a less embarrassing


Nov 29, 2022, 6:14 PM

Product on the field. It’s a comedy of errors on both sides of the ball now. At least we used to only have a bad offense.

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MD

Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 2:30 PM

Clemson had one of the worst performances on special teams and offense I've seen since Dabo took the helm and we lost by 1 point to SCAR. We were physically and mentally (intellectually) dominated by three-run plays from Notre Dame. We could barely hang with Syracuse, Lousiville was close and that's because their QB was playing on one leg all night, and Wake Forest's defense is so freaking bad that we could score 50 on them.

This is completely unacceptable for Dabo and the Clemson community he has built and set standards for, now he just abandons all those standards to he can act as DJ's personal fluffer.

It's honestly like DJ runs the program now.

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 10:00 AM

I’d say Daniel hs has more players on the Clemson team than any other high school. They should be a nationally ranked program.

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 9:44 AM

With a SEC schedule the last 2 seasons we would look about like TAM has looked .
Sorry but it the Truff

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 9:47 AM

Since you are psychic and all knowing, can you give tonight’s lottery numbers?

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 9:52 AM

It doesn’t take a psychic to see this and the whole world knows this team has been poorly coached

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ANYONE who’s even played high school ball would


Nov 29, 2022, 6:15 PM

Say these guys are poorly coached. We are inept on the edges on both sides of the ball

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There was a vocal majority Sat saying "run the #### ball!"***


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I don't hate this post


Nov 29, 2022, 10:00 AM

Maybe it is a little over the top but in a way this post, like others, point out one thing we can all agree on. We've seen two years of the same problem(s). It is the job of the coaches to fix these issues after year one. While we can argue this team was a little "better" than last year, to my eyes it is the same.

I do not posses the acumen to speak X's and O's more than most other fans. But I see the same product on the shelf and it is stale. IMO, two problems caused where we are. We recruited a top QB who had no business in this offense. We assumed when he filled in for Trevor that we had another generational QB. When in reality we surrounded him with some of the best skill players in college football (at that time). Classic bait and switch so to speak. Next, we missed on the recruiting trail by not signing/evaluating our current class of wide receivers. They are certainly not WRU talents.


This said, "you got what you got" and you have to play the game. But strategy has to change based on "what you got". Again, I'm nothing more than a casual run of the Mill Tiger fan. But nearly each time we lined up on offense I knew the play call prior to the snap. It seemed we never put the players in a position to make the most out of who's on the field (at least the passing game).

My last uneducated opinion concerning the QB situation. While many advocate for DJ and I trust Dabo. My thought is, if Cade starts or comes in...how could it be any worse?

We are 10-2 in a very weak conference. We should have throttled every single ACC team we lined up against. But more times than not, we looked simply lost and relied on our defense to win the game.

If we stick with the same formula in 2023 we might as well bring in Paul Johnson to teach the speed option. Even his teams could pass for more than 99 yards.

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I don't think most fans are upset with Dabo


Nov 29, 2022, 10:20 AM

over the trajectory of the program.

I think most Clemson fans are so happy about what Dabo has done for us, and realize that down years happen, and chalk the last two years up to DJ and nothing else. They remember the bad seasons of the past and reason that 10 wins isn't so bad.

Plus, Dabo's success gives him a pass with most fans for last year and this year. Plus, I think most fans will also rationalize it by saying he lost both coordinators recently and is also navigating the new NIL landscape.

Basically, unless someone follows the team closely, they probably don't realize that our player development is not what it should be, and that we have potentially missed out on some difference makers by not using the transfer portal. The causal fan also probably doesn't know that most of the coaches Dabo has hired in the last few years were unqualified for their roles.

It's also important to remember that many of our fans don't really look at expectations in context of what we spend on football at Clemson. They don't realize how much we pay our coaches relative to other programs, how our facilities compare to other programs, etc.

For a lot of fans, the draw isn't just the football, it's the experience - tailgating, socializing, and spending time with family and friends.

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Re: I don't think most fans are upset with Dabo


Nov 29, 2022, 10:36 AM

I whole heartedly disagree with you.....

I think there are 2 types of fans....

1. The casual/uninvested fans (the vast majority of fans) who simply cheer on the team, didn't go to Clemson, aren't IPTAY members, don't go to many games but they cheer from afar at the few games they attend and the games they watch on TV.

If I had to guess 90% of these fans are upset because what they see on the field/on tv simply isn't what they're accustomed to. They dislike DJ with a passion to the point of personally attacking him. They don't know the intricate details of the program they simply want the dynasty to continue. The vast majority love Dabo but are very vocal about his stubbornness to use the portal and make changes. Then there's the handful of idiots within this group who would actually be ok if he were fired. (The true minority)


2. The hardcore/invested fans (the powerful few), alumni/iptay members that follow the program closely and know the intricate details.

If I had to guess, this group is probably 50/50 right now with being taken aback by Dabo's responses.

Half of this group is so zealous that any and all red flags are ignored. Their love for the program and unabashed loyalty to Dabo prohibits them from any logical analysis of the status of the program if it leads them to any type of remotely negative conclusion.

The other half of this group, while loving the program and Dabo just as much as the other half, don't let that emotion get in the way of reality.

You might have a very rare individual here and there that's a part of this group actually talk craziness about Dabo moving on but they're unicorns.

In the end, there's a larger portion of the fan base upset right now at Dabo's reaction to the reality of the program.

That's the way I see it. But everyone has an opinion....

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Re: I don't think most fans are upset with Dabo


Nov 29, 2022, 2:33 PM

You are exactly correct: Clemson's players have not developed, and they haven't learned anything which is obvious with the barebones screen pass offense we run (what happened to the TEs?).

The big issue is we haven't seen anyone develop under the coaching staff and that same coaching staff was PROMOTED to more important roles. Streeter hasn't made a QB better ever. EVER. And now he's in charge of the whole offense.

It makes no freaking sense. He and Grisham have FAILED OUTRIGHT in their jobs. If I failed that bad at any job I have ever had I am out the freaking door.

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Re: I don't think most fans are upset with Dabo


Nov 29, 2022, 4:34 PM

Every time you talk about Clemson fans, it’s ever more revealing how little you understand or appreciate them.

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 10:26 AM

Finishline, I see your points and totally agree for the most part but you have to understand that any criticism of this program due to frustration we all feel at this point and over the last two years is going to be met with harsh reaction from the "cult" faction of Tigernet. This was pointed out to me when I complained about Tigernet posters calling anyone that criticizes Dabo or the Clemson football program a Coot. I asked Why and that was what I was told and I now believe it. The "Tigernet cult" as I now call them are those that will try to shame you off Tigernet for having a criticism of play calling, QB play, defensive scheme, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I love Dabo and what he has done for Clemson and Clemson football and I know he does not call the plays, but at the same time when you watch a game like this play out and with 4 minutes to go all I expect to see is run, run, run, kick a field goal to win the game but no, it did not go that way and a lot of folks watched the interception that burst the bubble. Why throw the ball at all?

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 10:43 AM

Oh I'm well aware. I've been around here for a long time. H3ll, my pulse is still low from the days of calling for Kevin Steele's firing.

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I agree. People that relish in 10 wins in the modern age are


Nov 29, 2022, 10:27 AM

just not very smart. If we played in the SEC, sure, that would be a big deal. The reality is we play in a pathetic conference and all we have to do is not lose a game to any of the pathetic teams on our schedule and we can get into the playoffs. This year, even though we lost a game to one pathetic OOC team, we still could have punched our own ticket if we just beat the other pathetic OOC team on our schedule, and we couldn't do that.

It isn't about the stats or the number of wins. It is how we are failing. That's the problem. We are Clemson, we are a football school with a football fanbase, we can get the recruits to win, we just need coaches who will make adjustments and tough decisions to put the players in the best position to win. We don't have that.

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I also think he’s insulated the program very well.


Nov 29, 2022, 10:52 AM

In the sense that I’m not sure how much pushback he gets from within his own ranks. Do we really think nervous Goodwin would stand up to Swinney and voice a different opinion? How about any of the coaches?

That’s why outside perspective is good. You don’t want to surround yourself with only yes men. To gain a good perspective you want to be challenged and pushed. New ideas.

Hopefully our coaching staff will visit another school like we’ve done in the past or even maybe bring some schools in to learn from us as well and they can pick our brains and we can pick their brains and gain some new perspective.

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Re: I also think he’s insulated the program very well.


Nov 29, 2022, 12:22 PM

Clemson Orange that 1st paragraph is 100% correct and on the money. Yes men it is. I have a friend that went to Clemson who told me the same thing recently.He worked in the Clemson athletic dept starting in high school and through college and knows people in the athletic dept now who he says don’t like Dabo and his arrogance. I can definitely see that after his last 2 seasons of being in denial, at least in public.

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 11:04 AM

Every Clemson fan I know believes that Dabo and Streeter are mismanaging the offense, starting with the QB position. We don't even know if there are other problems because that issue is so pronounced. No reason we shouldn't have been using Cade as a 1/2 punch anytime we started struggling. Do they really think it would have been worse?? You can always through in your 8 for 29 QB if Cade is struggling... Now they risk losing someone who is likely better to the Portal for being stubborn and negligent with the management.

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Nov 29, 2022, 12:29 PM

Yes yes yes^^^^now I’m afraid we’re gonna lose Cade because of all this crap. If I were his parents I would also wonder why they weren’t playing my son when he is obviously better for our offense than DJ. I don’t buy the crap some on here are saying about Cade not being ready to play. I’ve seen him play and he looked more ready than what we’ve been seeing on the field at times.

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 11:43 AM

Harumph!

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 11:50 AM

I agree with you 100%. It’s what we see on the field that’s the problem. I love Dabo and what he’s done for us but let’s be real here, that cat makes $10 million a year to help us win games. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that what we’re seeing isn’t best is the standard right now. I’m not seeing much “best” on the field. It’s his job to make sure we see the best and we’re not. If turnovers, lousy o-line play, being out coached and bad QB play is our best we’re in a lot of deep ? right now. I’m not even worried about the present right now, I’m worried about the future if he’s this stubborn.

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 12:08 PM

Please don’t confuse T-Net with the Clemson fan base. All the active users on this site probably make up less than 5% of Clemson fans.

I for one am disappointed with the performance Saturday but still approve of the direction of the program. It’s possible to not have a “knee jerk” reaction to every loss.

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 12:10 PM

I'm not basing this off of T-net. T-net is only a small piece of that puzzle.

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 2:20 PM

You either can't read or fail to comprehend the English language. Dabo has explained to us all that he doesn't care whether it's a minority or a majority that are unhappy with him. He is going to do what he thinks is right. I sense that hurts your feelings. Feel free to send him a "strongly worded letter." I suspect he'll even read it. But he knows what he's doing. What you have to decide is whether you're in or out. But make no mistake. You can quit and become a gamecock fan and Dabo still isn't going to care what you think. To the contrary, I expect it offends him that you seem to think this is more important to you than it is to him and the players. Rest assured the the players matter far more than any of the fans. If that offends the big donors, just write him a check for $64 million and he'll be on his way. Until we're to that point, we need to let the man do his job. So let it go? Go Tigers!

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uh....he literally said last night "minority"


Nov 29, 2022, 2:32 PM

Maybe you should try reading the transcript again or listen to it. This wasn't about whether he cared or not what anyone thinks. It was about whether he believes the growing sentiment for change in offense is minority or not. Try to keep up.

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 2:27 PM

That's wild because you should hear what people are saying on campus. You should hear the people calling into Clemson media. They are not happy. No one is happy watching Dabo sink a program to try and save DJ from his career selling insurance.

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Is there a Clemson fan who is satisfied after watching...


Nov 29, 2022, 2:41 PM

Clemson's offense throughout this entire season stumble like a drunk trying to find a corner in a dark alley to pisz in?

No, I have not seen, heard or read about anyone rejoicing over the way our offense has played this year. I attribute that to having a decade of being the best we've seen since the few years Ford had in the 1980s. BTW, that was some time ago.

All the old timers remember those 30 odd years between Danny and Dabo. The fear of ending our lives with Clemson returning to that long dry walk in the desert scares the horry carp out of us. Very few are calling for heads to roll or radical changes but we still expect something positive to happen and we expect Dabo to make that happening happen now.

Imo, it is a very vocal minority which is saying 'OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!,' even though some old timers might be wanting to see coordinators fired. I am not among them.

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Re: Dabo seriously thinks it's only a vocal "minority" or


Nov 29, 2022, 2:45 PM

Why are people talking about winning the ACC? I wouldn't bet a dollar on that

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Just kinda laughing at this thought.


Nov 29, 2022, 4:28 PM

I wondered who the non- vocal Nimit minority includes. My wife and my mother in law would be in that group. They both look at the field annd ask who has the ball several times a game.

But they do love dem Tigers!!

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Nov 30, 2022, 8:49 AM

Great post

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GO DABO - ALL IN - GO TIGERS***


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Re: where there's smoke...


Nov 30, 2022, 11:49 AM

Yeah, the media is baffled on how to handle Dabo. Is he a loving youth pastor, or is he a gaslighting con man? Yes he is. Any truth to the NCAA snooping around Clemson?

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POTD


Nov 30, 2022, 12:33 PM

Very well stated CUAtTheFinishLine® ...

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