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If DJ Has another game like the last 5 what happens?
Oct 14, 2021, 8:55 AM
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What I look at what Lincoln Riley did at Oklahoma it makes me wonder. Spencer Rattler was a pre-season Heisman candidate. NIL money, the works. After watching his less than stellar play, it took getting blasted by Texas for Riley to replace him with a Freshman that didn't even play last year due to Covid names Caleb Williams and the kid put on a come-back clinic. I don't want to see us getting blasted before making a change.
I use this example for those that are using the excuse that "Dabo doesn't have a 5 star backup".
Heck, Ohio State demoted his DC after Oregon and put a position coach in charge of the Defensive play-calling and it's worked well. (To the DC's credit, he's taking his demotion with incredible grace and using it as a way to teach his plays how to handle adversity).
I hope DJ puts on a clinic and puts these issues to rest. I hope Tony Elliot gets a breakout game as well. I really do and I think most Clemson fans feel the same way. With that said, Dabo seems determined to dig in on this and not try to shake things up.
All I know is the definition of insanity is to repeat the same things over and over expecting different results.
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Re: If DJ Has another game like the last 5 what happens?
Oct 14, 2021, 9:01 AM
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The reason he wont do anything is because Taison is just that bad. Will taylor is the only one who would have brought a spark, but now hes out for the year.
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At this point Taison Deserves at least as series or 2
Oct 14, 2021, 9:04 AM
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Sometimes players perform better in live fire than practice. Sometimes his personality can ignite a team.
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Taison has not performed well in mop up duty either.
Oct 14, 2021, 11:46 AM
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Taison is a good kid and I hope he develops but this board was ready to pull his scholarship during the spring game last year. Fortunately Dabo is more committed to his players than some fans are. However, to your point TP has not performed well and is coming off of a torn Achilles. Dabo has already proven that if he has a better guy waiting in the wings that guy will play and eventually start if they are the better option. The fact that TP is not playing tells me he is not the better option either because of the way he has played, they are being cautious with his recovery or a combination of both.
https://clemsontigers.com/sports/football/roster/taisun-phommachanh/
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Pulling your 5-star starter is much easier when the next guy
Oct 14, 2021, 12:30 PM
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is another 5-star ...
And especially if the next guy isn’t coming back from a catastrophic injury way ahead of schedule.
Lincoln Riley made a decision much more like replacing Kelly Bryant with Trevor Lawrence than a DJU exchange for TP ...
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Will Taylor is not a D1 P5 QB. Hope he heals and becomes
Oct 14, 2021, 11:19 PM
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a productive WR for us. TP is a better option than him but he hasn’t looked great in his past opportunities, is not back to his preinjury mobility and is significantly less talented than DJ. DJ is our guy for now and the future unless someone not currently on campus can come in and unseat him.
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I am not going to try and coach for Dabo. He has earned the
Oct 14, 2021, 9:04 AM
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right to that title. If he hasn't played Taisun, there is a valid reason that he is not telling us. And, he doesn't owe us an explanation. He will do what he thinks is in the best interest of this National Championship winning caliber program that he has built. We, as fans may not like it, I certainly am mystified at how we are struggling, along with everyone else. But, next time you flip on an electric light, consider this:
Thomas Edison FAILED ONE THOUSAND TIMES before he finally invented a workable electric light bulb. His 1001st attempt wasn't radically different from his first.
Sometimes a tweak is all it takes. Or a little time to reflect on things. Until proven wrong Friday night, I am going to believe that we are on the road back.
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The Whole Question Is Based On After Friday Night
Oct 14, 2021, 9:08 AM
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right to that title. If he hasn't played Taisun, there is a valid reason that he is not telling us. And, he doesn't owe us an explanation. He will do what he thinks is in the best interest of this National Championship winning caliber program that he has built. We, as fans may not like it, I certainly am mystified at how we are struggling, along with everyone else. But, next time you flip on an electric light, consider this:
Thomas Edison FAILED ONE THOUSAND TIMES before he finally invented a workable electric light bulb. His 1001st attempt wasn't radically different from his first.
Sometimes a tweak is all it takes. Or a little time to reflect on things. Until proven wrong Friday night, I am going to believe that we are on the road back.
I thought I was clear in qualifying my question. Yeah..Dabo does owe people an answer to the question. He doesn't get paid 10 million a year for 8-4 teams and losing top recruits.
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Re: The Whole Question Is Based On After Friday Night
Oct 14, 2021, 9:20 AM
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I recall many years ago, 8-4 was a great year for Clemson. The only game that had meaning was dirtpecker u. 6 Acc titles, 2 NCAA Championships. All but one appearance in the playoffs. I can cut them some slack this year, not ready to throw them under the ROY BUS. Does not mean I am happy - some people will never be happy!
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Re: The Whole Question Is Based On After Friday Night
Oct 14, 2021, 12:37 PM
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I don't want to go back to those years. And that's a slippery slope we are heading for if we don't get our QB and receiver situation straightened out Pronto.
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Re: The Whole Question Is Based On After Friday Night
Oct 14, 2021, 12:38 PM
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I don't want to go back to those years. And that's a slippery slope we are heading for if we don't get our QB and receiver situation straightened out Pronto. Yep.
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Well maybe some of those people are unhappy because
Oct 14, 2021, 11:08 PM
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They are having to spend more and more every year to keep going to games. It’s hard to accept that level of mediocrity from a coordinator that makes 2 million dollars a year. Our offense is close to last in the country. It was on a decline since the LSU game where we didn’t have Scott to help TE manage the game.
Maybe Dabo has let this happen so he can get rid of Tony? It’s really hard to wrap my head around. There are plenty of high school coaches that could have gotten twice the production from this group.
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The offense was 10th in the country and 6th in the passing
Oct 15, 2021, 12:15 AM
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last year. The offense and playcalling was not a reason for losing a single game.
Elliott has been the primary playcaller for 6.42 years. He has been the bulk of the brains behind our success, starting with the game he called against Oklahoma with Cole Stoudt as QB.
There are no differences to point to when Jeff left. He was a WR coach with input into the passing game ideas, but Tony made the calls. Dabo has confirmed this numerous times.
The running game was reduced in 2020, but that wasn't because Jeff Scott left. The passing game was 6th in the country... without Ross. So what the heck are you talking about?
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Re: The offense was 10th in the country and 6th in the passing
Oct 15, 2021, 1:10 AM
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Yeah TE has been the OC for 6 years, and 3 of those have been underwhelming. We won in spite of the play calling the past two years because we had a generational QB and RB along with top tier WR talent. You can stick your fingers in your ears all you want it wont change that fact. If "I" can call 80% of the plays Clemson is going to run from my living room I guarantee you those guys on the other sideline getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars can too. There needs to be some new material, whether it comes from TE or outside no one cares, but to say the play calling is fine is outright foolish.
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Which 3 have been "underwhelming"?
Oct 15, 2021, 3:14 PM
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Was it when we finished #1, #2, or #4. Please provide details of how the offense has not been one of the best in the country during the entire CFP era.
Stating the obvious, that the QB and OL aren't executing in a PROVEN offense that even DJ set records last year, that's not "sticking fingers in ears". That's using simple logic and common sense. If DJ was executing at the same level he did last year, we'd be undefeated with the same PROVEN playcalling.
And you're full of crap. You can't call 80% of the plays. As with any team anywhere at any level, sometimes the layman can call a running play. That's about it. Otherwise you never have any idea what play we're going to run or what routes the receivers are running, etc. It always cracks me up when "fans" say they can predict our plays. They only say this AFTER the play, and only when a play is unsuccessful. Are you THAT guy in the stands, griping after every play that doesn't go for more than 5 yards? LOL. You night recognize some plays AFTER it's over, but you aren't calling 80% of anything.
Elliott has been OC for 6.42 seasons. 6 seasons sum up to the MOST SUCCESSFUL period in Clemson history. By far. Not even close. Obviously Venables has been a major contributor, but without one of the most successful, consistent, and explosive offenses in the country over that span we aren't an elite, top 4 program for six straight years. Geez, this is just simple, common sense.
We have installed some wrinkles. I see them every game. But the fact is you can't overhaul the plays when we can't execute the basic plays. Again, when the QB and OL are lacking in execution there's nothing you can call to change it. The design is not the issue, obviously the design is proven (see trophy case). Execution is the issue.
The simple summary is - same PROVEN offense, different execution. If DJ can ramp up his execution to what he showed last year, then the offense will once again be one of the most powerful in the country.
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he gets paid 10 mil
Oct 14, 2021, 9:39 AM
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to coach the Clemson University football team . He answers to his Boss.
Don't let that Iptay donation give you a false sense of entitlement.
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That $100 a year donation doesn't go as far as it used to
Oct 14, 2021, 12:51 PM
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Re: The Whole Question Is Based On After Friday Night
Oct 14, 2021, 12:08 PM
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Ugh Dabo doesn’t owe you anything!
But exactly when did he go 8-4?
This recruiting class is not complete..
But here lately they have been great!
Spoiled !!!!!!
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Dabo owes you nothing at this point ... absolutely nothing
Oct 14, 2021, 12:35 PM
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He makes the big bucks to make the hard decisions. He’s making one by sticking with DJU.
Fans have no say in that decision, or any other of his decisions other than to stop following the team.
If Dabo makes enough decisions that cause fan discontent to the point that attendance and support are down , then it will be the AD he answers to, not the fans.
Right now, that is not happening.
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Re: I am not going to try and coach for Dabo. He has earned the
Oct 14, 2021, 12:34 PM
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As long as you don't mind pissing off thousands of fans and destroying the morale
of the team while you are developing your 5 star Sophomore QB who plays like a 2 star true freshman. It doesn't take long to be the next LSU, Tennessee, Nebraska, Southern Cal, etc... who were once relevant powerhouses who are now cellar dwellers in their respective conferences or mid pack at best.
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Re: I am not going to try and coach for Dabo. He has earned the
Oct 14, 2021, 3:08 PM
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Get a grip
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Re: If DJ Has another game like the last 5 what happens?
Oct 14, 2021, 9:13 AM
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I know it’s a different level, but Furman finally put in a true Freshman QB, and the offense went from pathetic to unstoppable. The kid’s stats were good but not fantastic. Mostly he just seems to have a different attitude that somehow spread to everybody else. Even after getting behind early, they just looked like they knew they would score every time. Seems like a lot of this QB stuff is psychological.
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U can ask Hood to ask Dabo that ? in one of his 43
Oct 14, 2021, 9:35 AM
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weekly press conferences.
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Re: If DJ Has another game like the last 5 what happens?
Oct 14, 2021, 9:39 AM
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I think if things aren’t going our way by the middle of the second quarter it’s time to put on Taisun or HH. See what they can do.
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Hunter Helms is a BALLER. Renfrow 2.0
Oct 14, 2021, 10:01 AM
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All he needs is a chance
GO TIGERS squeeze the orange!
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Re: If DJ Has another game like the last 5 what happens?
Oct 14, 2021, 9:49 AM
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We don't have an all world 5 star freshman stud sitting on the bench waiting. The situations aren't similar. It would be easy if the situation were similar.
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Re: If DJ Has another game like the last 5 what happens?
Oct 14, 2021, 12:21 PM
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We did a few years back and we still got a faceful of Kelly Bryant
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Re: If DJ Has another game like the last 5 what happens?
Oct 14, 2021, 12:25 PM
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Kelly Bryant lost his hob to TL, so there goes that theory. TL was also given about equal time as Bryant early on too. Then TL became the starter after 4 games.
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It took way to long. KB never had the arm talent
Oct 14, 2021, 11:11 PM
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DJ does though …
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Re: If DJ Has another game like the last 5 what happens?
Oct 14, 2021, 9:54 AM
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If DJU has another bad day, we may not have a winning season because we have no backup option.
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Re: If DJ Has another game like the last 5 what happens?
Oct 14, 2021, 10:08 AM
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Q: If DJ Has another game like the last 5 what happens?
A: two things happen. 1) we very likely score more points than the other team. 2) I pour another bourbon.
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Re: If DJ Has another game like the last 5 what happens?
Oct 14, 2021, 12:22 PM
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1 bourbon shot for every TD and defensive turnover.
The Louisville game a few years back was a bender . . . . .
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Re: If DJ Has another game like the last 5 what happens?
Oct 14, 2021, 10:14 AM
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If we get blasted, nothing will change. As TE said before, he never considered putting in TP in any of the games where DJ struggled, which is all except SC State.
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Re: If DJ Has another game like the last 5 what happens?
Oct 14, 2021, 11:32 AM
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If DJ plays the same game he has recently and the receivers catch the ball and the OL blocks, we win big.
His play has been decent recently.
If everyone ups their game we are done having problems this season.
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Re: If DJ Has another game like the last 5 what happens?
Oct 14, 2021, 11:33 AM
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Nothing. Not a #### thing happens.
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Re: If DJ Has another game like the last 5 what happens?
Oct 14, 2021, 12:05 PM
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I agree , let’s keep repeating 6 conference titles playing in 4 National Championships and winning 2 let’s do that over and over and over!
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***We I’ll finish 5-5*******
Oct 14, 2021, 1:00 PM
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Re: If DJ Has another game like the last 5 what happens?
Oct 14, 2021, 9:36 PM
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I'm guessing we'll probably see how game 7 goes for DJ.
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Re: If DJ Has another game like the last 5 what happens?
Oct 14, 2021, 10:21 PM
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As long as Dabo says DJ is the starter he's the starter. And for those bringing up when he made the switch to TL from Bryant everyone knew it was inevitable. Bryant was good but TL was transcendent. Phommachanh is not TL, even before his injury. Do I feel like he should get a series or two when nothing else is working? Sure, but I'm not the Head Coach. Dabo has brought this team to places it has never been, even in the Ford days. Lets give him a little credit and faith he'll get the ship righted.
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Re: If DJ Has another game like the last 5 what happens?
Oct 14, 2021, 11:11 PM
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I must have misread you. Your arguments are a 5 star back up replacing a five star, you are comparing that to a fringe 4 star coming off of an Achilles injury. Which I’ve made the point before and I’m more than happy to make it again, Dabo played Trevor over KB when it was time, I’m sure he’d do it again if he felt TP was the better QB.
The other argument is OSU’s DC? Which offensive juggernaut are we looking at as their big turn around? Maryland? Rutgers? Akron? No, it has to be Tulsa.
You really should have come up with some better points. These are terrible.
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Right Now We Don't have a 5-Star QB starting
Oct 15, 2021, 8:17 AM
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At best we have a 2-star impersonating a 5-star QB. He got that 5-star rating from playing high school football. He's been with the program long enough to star living up to that rating.
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Re: Right Now We Don't have a 5-Star QB starting
Oct 15, 2021, 1:45 PM
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Well where else would He get the star rating?
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Subconsciously, the money he is raking in could affect his
Oct 14, 2021, 11:14 PM
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motivation. In my experience, if I am in the black, I relax and do not work as hard. This could explain the lacksadasial play of Striker and DJ. It is hard to get that fire back in the belly, when funded so well.
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Caleb Williams was the #1 QB in the country until
Oct 14, 2021, 11:27 PM
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The QB from Tx(Ewers OSU) reclassified and bumped him to 2. OU situation is similar to Trevor taking over a few games in for KB. We have no one at that level to challenge DJ.
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Re: If DJ Has another game like the last 5 what happens?
Oct 15, 2021, 8:23 AM
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We have plenty of game film on Taisun. This is year 3 for him. He's not that guy.
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